Canjet Charters

V1VRV2 · Post by **V1VRV2** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:49 pm

So has Canjet done any charters yet? Do they have a contract or are they simply waiting for the phone to ring?
Also how many A/C do they have available?
How many crews are left?

Hope some of the laid off pilots are getting interviews!

talkinghead · Post by **talkinghead** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:19 am

Canjet.....who ....what?

Kandoo · Post by **Kandoo** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:36 pm

We will know by the end of next week if CanJet Charters will fly. Just some ad hoc charters for now. Already talk of some call backs in maintenance due to the workload getting four aircraft ready to go to "C" check then back to the owners.

V1VRV2 · Post by **V1VRV2** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:49 pm

So they laid off the engineers along with the Flt crews and then said OOPS we need them to do some C checks before we send these airplanes back! Wow I guess this puts a whole new meaning to Incompetency, or Stupidity. I hope most engineers don't go back and leaves them in a bind, LOL way to go management!!

po'dcjer · Post by **po'dcjer** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:56 pm

V1VRV2 wrote:So they laid off the engineers along with the Flt crews and then said OOPS we need them to do some C checks before we send these airplanes back! Wow I guess this puts a whole new meaning to Incompetency, or Stupidity. I hope most engineers don't go back and leaves them in a bind, LOL way to go management!!

You can say that again...I'll just leave it alone.

SPOT · Post by **SPOT** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:58 pm

no one in maintenance have been called beack yet. And they wont unless canjet charters goes ahead. Should know monday. If it do, i geuss the plan is for a 5 airplane operation

V1VRV2 · Post by **V1VRV2** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:10 pm

Wow well I hope you find new work soon, then leave as soon as you can, this might put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine them having to close because nobody wants to work there!!

Good Luck.

Kandoo · Post by **Kandoo** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:38 pm

Just to clarify CanJet maintenance is not doing the "C" checks but putting the aircraft back into a configuration that was requested by the company who owns them before they go to "C" check, then back to the owner. I agree that this whole thing was not very well thought out but I think most people in the maintenance dept. who have been let go would come back if given the opportunity. That is if they have not already found work, which some have. It was, and still is, a great group of people who enjoy the comradeship of working with other true professionals. The companys that gain from CanJets loss are truly lucky. Spot you said a five plane operation we currently have ten and are returning four. What about the other one?

SPOT · Post by **SPOT** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:39 pm

spare maybe???

goldeneagle · Post by **goldeneagle** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:45 pm

V1VRV2 wrote:Wow I guess this puts a whole new meaning to Incompetency, or Stupidity.

With all the brilliance apparently available here on avcan from the pilot section, I have only one question. How come all of you are just employees working for wages, with all that management brilliance, why aren't you all running airlines, making millions ??

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:24 pm

goldeneagle what the fu.k are you smoking?

If most of these guys had any neuronns connected they wouldn't be taking jobs for peanuts..some of these guys ..running a business?? ha ha ha.

Man that is strong stuff you are smoking, send me some.

Cat

V1VRV2 · Post by **V1VRV2** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:12 am

MR Goldeneagle, how do you know how much I make, or who I work for?

My statements were only me expressing an opinion!!

FYI I am self employed yes I do run my own company, providing aircrew services to other viable and well managed company's. currently I am flying a CL-601 making well over the industry average, in USD, and I get to choose my base of operation and my time off.

So if you don't know don't flap your lips before your brain is in gear.

Cheers,

pelmet · Post by **pelmet** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:07 pm

[quote="Kandoo"]We will know by the end of next week if CanJet Charters will fly. Just some ad hoc charters for now. Already talk of some call backs in maintenance due to the workload getting four aircraft ready to go to "C" check then back to the owners.[/quote]

Maybe it depends on what they do with their union.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:47 pm

What CanJet needed to have was smaller aircraft for their type of operation.

ERJ145's for the domestic Toronto East stuff, and some EMB195's for the southern routings.

54% break even loads, I don't know why they're leasing a 737-500 for the same cost, and a much higher operational cost.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:29 pm

V1VRV2 wrote:MR Goldeneagle, how do you know how much I make, or who I work for?

My statements were only me expressing an opinion!!

FYI I am self employed yes I do run my own company, providing aircrew services to other viable and well managed company's. currently I am flying a CL-601 making well over the industry average, in USD, and I get to choose my base of operation and my time off.

So if you don't know don't flap your lips before your brain is in gear.

Cheers,

Ooops, Did you assume Goldeneagle was a MR???

195psi · Post by **195psi** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:50 am

ERJ145's for the domestic Toronto East stuff, and some EMB195's for the southern routings.

54% break even loads, I don't know why they're leasing a 737-500 for the same cost, and a much higher operational cost.

The 54% number is a manufacturer's best case scenario. It is impossible to get such sure return as ticket prices, fuel prices and maintenance vary too much.
Those smaller aircraft have higher maintenance costs associated with them as well.
It's just too easy to dream up a perfect scenario with perfect size aircraft.
The reality is that the 737-500's are cheap, reliable and comfortable.
If you cannot make a go with thoe birds then you need to rethink your business. AS Canjet did.
Bringing very expensive new planes would have killed Canjet and IMP.

Troubleshot · Post by **Troubleshot** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:37 am

195psi wrote:ERJ145's for the domestic Toronto East stuff, and some EMB195's for the southern routings.

54% break even loads, I don't know why they're leasing a 737-500 for the same cost, and a much higher operational cost.

The 54% number is a manufacturer's best case scenario. It is impossible to get such sure return as ticket prices, fuel prices and maintenance vary too much.
Those smaller aircraft have higher maintenance costs associated with them as well.
It's just too easy to dream up a perfect scenario with perfect size aircraft.
The reality is that the 737-500's are cheap, reliable and comfortable.
If you cannot make a go with thoe birds then you need to rethink your business. AS Canjet did.
Bringing very expensive new planes would have killed Canjet and IMP.

That was a good post 195, I would venture you could operate a 737-500 for about half the price of a low time or new 320 or even a new EMB/RJ (based on lease cost)...CanJet just didn't have the business lined up for such expensive machines....not that they couldn't get it, just a cut throat industry....no contracts no money.

tsgas · Post by **tsgas** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:00 am

For the low fares Canjet was charging, what they really needed to turn a profit, wewe some used Greyhoung buses.

uwillpay · Post by **uwillpay** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:04 am

goldeneagle wrote:
V1VRV2 wrote:Wow I guess this puts a whole new meaning to Incompetency, or Stupidity.
With all the brilliance apparently available here on avcan from the pilot section, I have only one question. How come all of you are just employees working for wages, with all that management brilliance, why aren't you all running airlines, making millions ??

Ken? Is that you?

Karma called, they said they have something waiting for you...

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:37 pm

CanJet could have imploded, IMP would still be around, they've got much more money invested in other projects other than CanJet, it was another Ken Rowe experiment, and he wanted to do a union bust.

Load factors were good, and it's not like CanJet was charging JetsGo $1 fares here, they were charging reasonable fares.

I personally think it was the day-day wasting of money, even in YQM you could see where money was being thrown out the window, explain to the base manager but they wouldn't hear it.

They were shooting for customer service, at the cost of well, the entire service.

Paying $100 for a bridge on every flight when you can groundload for free, well a $30 stairs fee, may not seem like a lot, but it adds up, and that's one tiny example.

That being said I worked for JetsGo and CanJet, and although JetsGo was larger, CanJet handled their "Operational Meltdown" if you can call it that better than Jetsgo (JetsGo Winter 2004) (CanJet Summer 05 in YHZ) worked quite well really considering all the delays and diversions.

As I told every crew on the last flights during pushbacks, it was an honour and a pleasure, since CanJet was easily the best airline I ever ramped in my 8 years.