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oncle · Post by **oncle** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:29 pm

:this video was deleted by oncle after your comment

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:13 am

Great video! I was wondering what that Twin Otter Captain was up to though. Was that his attempt at step taxiing downwind. Man, that must have saved him 30 seconds getting to the dock.

You can use it as a educational video for all the new float pilots and teach them what not to do with a Twin Otter or any float plane for that matter.

oncle · Post by **oncle** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:29 am

I HAVE NO COMMENT,I DO NOT JUDGE ANYBODY THE VIDEO ARE SO BEAUTIFUL.

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:46 am

Ok, I'm not a float pilot (though I will be someday) but what exactly was that twotter doing coming in? I wasn't gonna say anything until CLGuy pointed it out, but that didn't look like any step taxiing I've ever seen.

oncle · Post by **oncle** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:27 pm

real pilot your are unable to say,it a nice movie you nead to criticate the pilot felicitation, I will have some auther movie for you guys,excuse my english,I am french but,I make some movie for the love of aviation not for criticate evreybody

Walter · Post by **Walter** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:37 pm

Nice video! I especially liked the footage of the old steam Otter. Smoke, oil and polished aluminum – great stuff!

Good ole Otter flying straight into wind, steady as she goes…chucka….chucka….chucka

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:23 pm

And old MAQ - last time I saw that Beav it had just picked up a stiff that had been floating for a month (ewww); stank so bad, they couldn't use it for the rest of the summer (1973!). Gawd I'm old.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:20 pm

That was an amazing video, well done!

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:30 pm

Great video mon oncle. Merci.

40 Set&Indicated · Post by **40 Set&Indicated** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:52 pm

Great video! I was wondering what that Twin Otter Captain was up to though. Was that his attempt at step taxiing downwind. Man, that must have saved him 30 seconds getting to the dock.

You can use it as a educational video for all the new float pilots and teach them what not to do with a Twin Otter or any float plane for that matter.

And I suppose that's not how "you" do it on flight sim. This is one of the best pilots I have met, and you should hope to acheive even a fraction of his piloting greatness.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:57 am

You realize this is CL Guy you're quoting. Read a few more of his posts.

Or maybe it's just an inside joke I don't get.

-istp

cyxe · Post by **cyxe** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:34 am

I know didly squat about float flying, but isn't it true that you sometimes want to taxi with power on like that (but not on the step) to shift the C of G aft to reverse weathervaning tendencies if you're in a (light) downwind?

Somebody splain to me plees

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:42 am

cyxe wrote:I know didly squat about float flying, but isn't it true that you sometimes want to taxi with power on like that (but not on the step) to shift the C of G aft to reverse weathervaning tendencies if you're in a (light) downwind?

Somebody splain to me plees

The Twin Otter has no water rudders they don't need them. Directional control is maintained through the use differential power via use of beta ranging Hartzell propellers. There is absolutely no need to do what that twin was doing in any wind.

phillyfan · Post by **phillyfan** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:09 am

"This is one of the best pilots I have met"

The real good ones would have landed downwind and saved even more time.

cyxe · Post by **cyxe** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:12 am

Driving Rain wrote:
cyxe wrote:I know didly squat about float flying, but isn't it true that you sometimes want to taxi with power on like that (but not on the step) to shift the C of G aft to reverse weathervaning tendencies if you're in a (light) downwind?

Somebody splain to me plees
The Twin Otter has no water rudders they don't need them. Directional control is maintained through the use differential power via use of beta ranging Hartzell propellers. There is absolutely no need to do what that twin was doing in any wind.

ok thx

AirpranePirot · Post by **AirpranePirot** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:54 pm

Hey, the link doesn't work anymore >:(

I think I already saw it though

Windatmyback · Post by **Windatmyback** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:40 pm

"And I suppose that's not how "you" do it on flight sim. This is one of the best pilots I have met, and you should hope to acheive even a fraction of his piloting greatness." - Vortecks

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:57 pm

Many people enjoyed this video as it showed where many of us started out, loading and flying float planes. CLguy , who has never so much as sat in the copilots seat of a twin otter had this overwhelming urge to pass judgement on a pilot far his superior. Put the video back on Oncle, for the enjoyment of so many and don't listen to this fool.

phillyfan · Post by **phillyfan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:56 pm

Would you guys please stop worshipping and stroking this Twin Otter driver. It's coming across as kinda gay.
Every town that has floatplanes has the "local legend". I'm sure he's a hell of a guy and a hell of a worker and It's cool that you love him and all, but he's just a pilot.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:57 pm

I realize in your eyes without Twin Otter time, a person is an inferior pilot and would know nothing about the proper techniques of flying floats. Anytime you want to compare numbers of hours on floats just let me know. In fact one day you may get to be my co-pilot again.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:21 pm

CLguy wrote:I realize in your eyes without Twin Otter time, a person is an inferior pilot and would know nothing about the proper techniques of flying floats.

Ahhh... CLguy, you're finally figuring it out...

Just kidding, but anyone who thinks it takes any amount of skill to fly a -6 has never flown one.. Now to fly it well is a different story.. Like any airplane..

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:41 am

So I have heard Twotter!!!! Like I said in my original post, it is a great video and brings back some memories of stopping in Stony with a Beech 18 for fuel. I never liked the current or the back eddy as you approached the dock. It was also a lot greener across the lake back then.

Oncle obviously misunderstood my comments and thought I was directing them at him which I was not but I am still waiting for someone to explain to me why and when you would ever use the manoeuvre the Twin Otter was demonstrating while taxiing down wind. NWOnt maybe instead of jumping in the trenches with the insults you could explain it to us. So far the only thing that has been mentioned that without right seat time in a Twin Otter I obviously couldn't understand and that the Twin Otter was being flown by the Messiah of the Stony Rapids Aviation Community.

This forum is visited by many impressionable young aspiring float pilots who see a Twin Otter pulling that kind of manoeuvre and think that is the way it is done. He no doubt has a swamper with him, who will possibly one day be a Twin Otter Captain himself. We all develop bad habits as we gain experience but to start out in the industry, seeing videos and thinking this is an acceptable way to taxi a float plane is wrong.

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:21 am

For the record I have worked in aviation for more than 35 years. First as an engineer working on DC-3's and all other bush aircraft. Then switched to flying logging 10,000 hrs. I have flown floatplanes to places many of you couldn't pronounce, spell or find in an atlas. If I saw a beech 18 being taxied to a dock in a way I didn't agree with. I would ask myself, what do you know about an aircraft with a twin tail, twin engines and the effect of wind etc on this aircraft? The answer being not a damn thing, so I would keep my opinion to myself or go down to the aircraft , meet the pilot and see if he might pass on a little of his experience and airmanship.
Oncle has obviously put considerable time and effort into this video which he shared with us. I think the pilot may be a good friend of his. I think he may feel that he has subjected his friend to stand trial by filming his airmanship. Oncle has a few other videos which he shares on other websites. All are gratefully accepted and enjoyed by many. I doubt very much if he will ever share his videos on this site again. What a shame. A camera only shows what is straight ahead. Also objects may be closer than they appear, like it says on a rear view mirror. Also may be farther away, smaller, larger or faster than they appear. Pilots at one time wore silk scarves around their neck because the would get chafing from constantly turning their heads to see and absorb all the different things that effect each segment of a flight. The camera dosn't need a scarf.
I often read these forums to keep up on aviation news etc. I'm also gratful to those who post a mistake or oversight they have done to give a heads up to someone who may be about to make the same mistake. I'm sure many don't contribute because they don't wish to be attacked by some weathered out pilot sitting at his keyboard. I'd like to thank Oncle and all those who post pictures of their travels and adventures. Thats why most of us became aviators. Good luck and safe flying.

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:17 pm

phillyfan wrote:Would you guys please stop worshipping and stroking this Twin Otter driver. It's coming across as kinda gay.
.

who should they stroke then?

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:37 pm

Me, I guess.... been kind of a slow day otherwise.

Oncle, if you want to re-post the video, I didn't yank it...

JC

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this video was deleted,by oncle

FLOAT PLANE

oncle, excellent video

Stoney rapids