Lefties Please Read

[Hedley]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/19/proli ... index.html

This guy has molested 100 children over many decades, and has been arrested time and time again.

My only question is: Why is he still alive?

Personally, I believe the parents of the children are delinquent in their social responsibilities, which are obviously not being taken care of by the government which has far more important things to do, like sending innocent men to Syria to be tortured for years.

[bmc]

The thing I liked about living in Bahrain was that when someone screwed up, they disappeared. A little harsh perhaps, but you know what? It was an effective deterant to crime. No court date, no trial, no sentence. Maybe someday you'll be set free.

Arriving there as a Canadian I was horrified. But after a couple of months of not having to lock the house or car, I started to realize how much we tolerate crime in Canada. I also started to remember how often we would read the profile of the perpetrator, often coming from broiken homes, having sustained child abuse when young, etc, etc. To the point that I started questioning if we hadn't lost site of who the victim is.

These people should go missing.

[Springbok 3]

There was a movie a while back with Michael Douglas. A bunch of disatisfied judges would sit in judgement of criminals who for various reasons slipped through the long arms of the law. They would then vote on his guilt or innocence and then hand over the verdict (mostly guilty) for punishment by death / hitman.

Cool idea, especially with repeat sexual offenders.

[Schooner69]

One of the problems with swift and terminal justice is that it becomes very easy for an individual to subvert the system for their own benefit. Another problem is that resorting to violent, immediate punishment is that those meting out the "justice" become little better than those receiving it. Remember the system for rooting out witches in England and the US?

Our system is loosely based on "'Tis better to let ten guilty go free than to erroneously kill one innocent" rather than "Hang them all; God will know his own..."

However, regarding this paedophile: my wife has an interesting punishment mapped out. In includes a hammer, some nails, and a block and tackle. She's got a mean streak in her...

[. ._]

I thought this was going to be a thread on sinistrails. Oh well, I'll chime in.

If there's proof someone molested a kid, they should be removed from society, because they are wired to get off on sex with children. It's biological, and can not be changed.

Castration would not help, as the brain is wired, and the offender would fondle etc. even though he couldn't get it up.

How the offender is removed from society?

I have no problem with an immediate bullet to the head (post trial) if there is REALLY good proof.

Otherwise imprisonment for 15 years, then a bullet to the head. If you can't get justice after 15 years- in this day and age of internet access, and DNA technology, chances are you are guilty.

That's the istp solution.

-istp

[niss]

Actually,

Some studies have shown that castration can help, dont forget its related to the sex drive and the sex drive is linked to your boys. You loose the boys you loose your motivation.

[Dust Devil]

the people who defend these monsters with their liberal approach to justice should be ashamed of themselves. No one says that it has to be a witch hunt but my god you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out some of these people should never see the light of day.

[. ._]

OK, I'm pulling facts out of my ass here. True.

So, whether my castration theory is right or wrong (I don't know, I just heard it somewhere) I'll annull my theory on that.

I'll stick with my bullet solution.

-istp

[Dust Devil]

Castration via one of these bastards might deter these people

[gr8gazu]

Actually,

Some studies have shown that castration can help, dont forget its related to the sex drive and the sex drive is linked to your boys. You loose the boys you loose your motivation.

Sorry, but that is cutting off the wrong piece. Remove the middle member and leave the boys so the rest of us have something to kick!!!

[costermonger]

My only question is: Why is he still alive?

Because as heinous as it is, sexual assault is not a capital crime. Any other questions?

[gr8gazu]

My only question is: Why is he still alive?

Because as heinous as it is, sexual assault is not a capital crime. Any other questions?

Inmates don't care if it is capital or not
Put him in the yard and turn your backs!

[Crowbaby]

I always thought Ms. Bobbitt had the right answer until one of my friends came up with a plan involving a vise, a butter knife and a shed on fire. Let's see how bad they want out of the shed.

[Pugster]

The only "cure" for sexual offenders is high-velocity lead therapy.

Unfortunately - in current Canadian society - this isn't gonna happen. I don't understand though, why a guy can't get labelled a dangerous offender based on any history of sexual (especially violent) crime and locked up indefinitely?

The research has shown that the only "effective" way to treat these bastards under the current program is to try to prevent them from reoffending - chemical castration (Depo Provera) doesn't work very well - and is difficult to ensure that they are getting enough injections. Physical castration might work - but it ignores the fact that a lot of offenses have as much to do with twisted cognition (ie: brain stuff) as they do deviant sexual behaviors (ie: ball stuff). Therapy - pretty much all forms that try to "cure" - don't show a statistically significant reduction in reoffense or deviant cognition. The only form of therapy that has shown any real success focusses not on getting rid of the deviant thoughts, but getting rid of the deviant behaviors. This is dodgy at best, but is currently the most applied form of "treatment" used with sexual offenders.

So what options in the current system (under the rule of Pugster the omnipitent)? 1.) Dangerous offender labelling (ie: no parole) for all sexual offenders. This does not get rid of the appeal process in the case of false convictions (hate to say it folks - but there is a LOT of false accusations re: sexual offenders. It's a favorite of bitter divorcees and hack counsellors out there...). 2.) If one slips through the cracks - and offends twice...pull the freaking trigger. 3.) Two words for you - General Population. "Skinners" don't last long in prison - and rank about as high as snitches.

But what do I know (seriously...not much!)...I just did a major on this stuff before I got into aviation... Pugster OUT.

[Hedley]

Inmates don't care if it is capital or not. Put him in the yard and turn your backs!

That's probably true, but there is something terribly wrong with a society, where the greatest and most severe justice is meted out by those who have been adjudicated to be "the worst of the worst".

I suppose this makes sense to a lefty somewhere

[costermonger]

there is something terribly wrong with a society, where the greatest and most severe justice is meted out by those who have been adjudicated to be "the worst of the worst".

Well, there's plenty of societies that would probably agree with your concept of justice, but the general consensus is that there's no shortage of things that are terribly wrong with those societies.

[shitdisturber]

Another problem is that resorting to violent, immediate punishment is that those meting out the "justice" become little better than those receiving it. Remember the system for rooting out witches in England and the US?

I'm not sure that's really a problem; we aren't troubled by witches are we?

On a more serious note, Islamic justice is not without it's benefits; chop somebody's head off in a public square and people tend to take the hint.

[skyrat]

i thought you were talkin 'bout left handed people....... wow....

[North Shore]

I don't quite see the connection here to left/right politics, nor to a Canadian aviation board. I happen to be on the left side of the spectrum, and find this guy's behaviour abhorrent. IIRC, we have 'dangerous offender' legislation here that would get this guy locked up permanently..

This is the best, though:

The research has shown that the only "effective" way to treat these bastards under the current program is to try to prevent them from reoffending - chemical castration (Depo Provera) doesn't work very well

Nope, doesn't work very well at all, considering it is a female contraceptive!

[Walker]

As a continuation to the Arar issue; we should just disappear these people. Maybe for efficiency we can farm out the tribunal stuff to a 3 person bored at the RCMP. If the bored feels that there is sufficient evidence then the state gets their assets and they vanish off the face of the earth; all quiet like; or maybe publicly, perhaps that would be more of a detractor for those on the edge. Televise the 36 hr long life-support assisted giant mechanized cheese grater execution, THATS WHAT WE CAN USE THE CBC FOR!
Actually while were at it for the sake of making sure we get them all it may be a good idea to get rid of all the people who have been accused of sexual harassment as well; because I suspect if you look at the stats those who harass coworkers or make off color jokes are probably more likely to become offenders than those who don’t. I mean these people are terrorizing their victims aren’t they?

There was a good Law and Order SVU on today; some jackass stalker-rapist killed a few people and started playing mind games with Benson. At the end it was clear that he was a smart cookie and was going to get off; NOPE! If they just pulled out the “T” word then poof problem solved, insufficient evidence my ass!!