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beechy · Post by **beechy** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:10 pm

C-206 position is for our Fort Vermilion Base. Must have 1000 hours
TT.

Does that seem a bit excessive?

V1VRV2 · Post by **V1VRV2** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:32 pm

Excessive for what??

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:50 pm

Time for flying a 206?

Mclovin · Post by **Mclovin** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:04 pm

Little Red is going through a lot of turnover. The reason for the 1000 hours is probably so they can put you co-jo on the king air when needed.

V1VRV2 · Post by **V1VRV2** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:34 pm

You guys think 1000 total is too much time to ask as a 206 pilot!!
well I can tell your rather new to this game! I realize the industry is moving quickly however lets look at the average experience, so the first 200hrs are spent in the circuit getting your commercial, then maybe another 4-500 hrs instructing "nothing against instructor's I used to be one|" now were up to about 700 hrs finally get your first job maybe flying photo work or doing sight seeing work again within 100 mi of your home airport so now youv'e got 800-1000 hrs and your finally getting a job where youre going to be flying an airplane on your own, more likelly based somewhere with very limited support. You will be expected to manage and administer the company's contract, hopefully not screw up proffesionally as well as take care of the maintenance and day to day operations. The type of equipment is irrellevent its the responsability that counts, so don't turn down the job because your'e only going to be flying a 206 look at the gain in experience as a whole.
And good luck, you'l become a better certainly a more mature pilot with hopefully administrative qualities that should help you in the latter years of your'e aviation career.

Cheers,

buck82 · Post by **buck82** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:48 pm

You probably might even need to know how to fly half decent if you expect to get it in and out of bush strips.

185/310 · Post by **185/310** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:07 pm

A 1000 hrs for a 206 on wheels is too much, there are guys with 300 hrs going FO on king airs, and 1400 hr guys for capt on metro's, and there not going into paved strips either. Times are changing for the time being.

jetway · Post by **jetway** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:45 am

300 Hours for FO on King Air is a completely different situation than dragging a 206 into an unmanned, unknown strip with Tundra tires... King Airs may be "cooler" for some, but your King Air Captain is ultimately responsible for your 300 hour FOs' screw ups. You are the man (whoaman) in your 206.
The Captain on the Metro in your scenario most likely has been sitting right seat in said Metro since, well, 300 hours.
I think 1000 hours is allright to ask for. Even if you're flying a King Air into a 1900 foot gravel strip, that landing one will most likely be the Captains landing for quite some time.
I'm just thinking here, that just because it is a lowly slowly 206, doesn't mean you should get into it with a whopping 300 hours. Sadly, it would be nice, and I am sure a whole bunch of pilots would survive the season. Perhaps, one or 2 would not.
It's not judged on the AC type, but on the environment in which it flies, and the consequences of the PIC's decisions.
Besides, Little Red has been around long enough, I am sure they know what works and what doesn't.

C-FOXY · Post by **C-FOXY** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:13 am

Maybe the 1000 hour pilot should think of it a different way....flying the 206 will be a quicker route to his/her ATPL than going to sit FO on a turbine for double the time. It's decent experience flying a 206 and if it means a shorter time in the right seat of that King Air later on, then go for it.

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:51 am

Isn't soley looking for time a bad judge of experience anyways.....

I doubt that someone with a thousand hours off a paved runway would be any better at this job then someone with 500 hours of real bush experience.

Yeah maybe the job is challanging but with proper training at the place a good 5-600 hours pilot should do......

just my opinion

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:55 am

It's funny to see how some people look at the ladder of experience. Getting a commercial license as 200 hours in the circuit with little to no experience ? By the time myself and some of the people I know had their commercial done we had been down to Texas and a few other states. Instructing meant constant learning in order to facilitate good and safe students/pilots. My first " real " job has me all over Canada in VFR and IFR conditions. I may not be " typical " but after 500 hours of flight time I would expect that the average pilot in the industry would have the means and the skill level to land a 206 within short field limits in a crosswind and put it down safely on gravel. All that said, if I was an aircraft owner I would set the minimums higher than lower to ensure my aircraft remains intact. It would also be up to me to interview prospects to ensure skill level and ability.

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Mclovin · Post by **Mclovin** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:13 am

Like Jetway said, Little Red has been around a long time and knows what works. I don't think 1000 hours is unreasonable for the position. The flying is fairly challenging some days. And again with that kind of time they are probably looking to throw someone on the King Air when the time comes. Pretty reasonable in my opinion.

50'minimums · Post by **50'minimums** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:13 am

Does anyone know what the pay and schedule is for the High level base. Was offered a job there about a year ago, unfortunely I had to turn it down for personal reasons. The pay at that time for capt was pretty low but they were talking about a pay increase. Chief pilot sounds like a really nice lady, down to earth and straight forward. Any info on this company under its new management would be appreciated, as LRAS is still in the back of my mind as a job option.

Mclovin · Post by **Mclovin** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:04 pm

50' minimums check your pm's

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:46 pm

I guess if you look at it that way Xray

All that said, if I was an aircraft owner I would set the minimums higher than lower to ensure my aircraft remains intact.

I think that is a misconception....i have heard of and seen really experienced guys ground loop a tail dragger, flip float planes and do some other pretty stupid things. everyone screws up.

Mclovin · Post by **Mclovin** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:12 am

Beechy What do you mean if I look at it that way?

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:39 am

You know the type of flying, if it is challanging etc..... i know not much about thier operation, obviously you do. But i have also seen other ads for a 206 pilot requiring similar time not in the bush. so i was mainly just wondering, that is all. Maybe it is a more complex aircraft i dont know. never flown one. Have flown 180's and 182's though.

angry inch · Post by **angry inch** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:32 pm

Yep,
I think the thousand requirement probably has more to do with the environment the a/c will be flown in and the decisions that have to be made by the single pilot than the complexity of the airplane. At least in a King Air (just an example) you get to fly above the weather & most likely have another pilot sitting beside you. The 206 guy/girl is most likely flying through the weather & winter is just around the corner... in which case it would be nice to have at least a bit of experience to draw from.

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:10 am

makes you think back though to the guys and gals who opened up the north early on. I mean what experience did they have? They had no weather data, just a compass and a crummy aircraft and with that aircraft alot of them managed to survive.....

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:52 am

AND a hell of a lot of them DIDN'T!!

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:11 am

A lot of the northern gov. work has a 1000 pic requirement. RWED, fire patrol and the like. Could be the case. That being said flying a 206 isn't that hard, and dealing with weather isn't about flying skill as much as good judgement. Which some pilots will have at 250 hrs, well others won't at 1000 hrs.

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:09 pm

AND a hell of a lot of them DIDN'T!!

Didn't stop others from trying the same thing.

Pilot_Bird · Post by **Pilot_Bird** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:19 am

I use to work there as a 206 pilot. I can say they are asking 1000hrs because yes winter is coming and low vis and ceilings and icing conditions come with it. They have an op spec to flying 300ft in 1sm vis in uncontrolled airspace as long as the pilot holds an IFR rating, has 500hrs in a comercial air service (not total time) so that puts you at around around 1000hrs right there because instructing doesn't count (nothing against instructing it is good experience even though I didn't take that route) and to possibly beable to quickly upgrade to F/O on the King Air since they always seemed to be short crewed on them. The dispatchers got one week on the 206 out of 3 and one of them only had 300hrs when he started so yes a low time pilot can handle a 206 it is probably what I just said why they want a high time pilot. By the way Little Red Air or now Nor-Alta Aviation is a great place to work, everyone is great and it is a good atmosphere. The owner treats the pilots very good and looks after everyone and makes everyone happy. I could have spent most of my career there but had to leave to be closer to home for personal reasons but I encourage anyone to apply there because it is one of the few place you can work with some good people that can be your friends and not try to stab you in the back to get your position.

. . · Post by **. .** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:31 pm

By the statements made in here I'd assume that most of the posters have never tired to pull a 206 out of a strip in the 1500' range with trees at both ends. You definately don't want to be a 300hr wonder trying to figure out how to fly in marginal weather at the upper side of the weight spectrum into strips like that.

LostinRotation: Having flown to Texas isn't going to help you fly into some abandonded strip of sand that hasn't been used in a few years. Being able to stop a 172 in hamilton in 500 feet doesn't directly translate into the ability to do the same thing in far less ideal conditions.

If little red is flying you as a king air FO and a 206 captain that's a great way to apply the lessons you've leart from your captains on the king air when you're out there by yourself in the crap.

Satan's Little Helper · Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:57 pm

I can't believe that there could possibly be a discussion that a 206 is a tricky machine. Companies asking for high requirements usually ask what they would like, not neccessarily what they will end up getting. As for career progression, most times, after 5-6 years down the road most pilots are in the same type of aircraft and experience level as their peers regardless of how they started.