FAA <=> TC ATPL Conversion Q

[Z_Pilot]

Have any of you obtained any specific information about the changes that are to take place on December first? (See Press Release Below)

I attempted to call TC last week seeking more information. First I called a director (of some sorts) at the Hamilton office...she was very friendly and knew what I had to do to convert my FAA cert now, before the rule change, but did not have any information on the changes. She then transferred me to some cheif flight examiner in their office complex. He was extremely friendly as well, but had no information for me. He encouraged me to call the #'s on the bottom of the press release. I called them, and they asked me to call the main TC #. The operator there did not know who to connect me to, but took down my name and #. No one replied back to me.

Long story short: I am dual citizen, living in the US, with an FAA ATP and want to obtain my TC ATPL.

Currently, I have to take the written tests and a practical test.
My guess is that I will still have to take the writtens, but I won't have to take the practical after December 1?

Anyone have more info?
Any educated guesses?

Thanks!

Z_Pilot

No. H103/06
For release September 7, 2006
CANADA AND UNITED STATES
REACH BILATERAL AVIATION LICENCING AGREEMENT

OTTAWA — The Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, today announced that the Government of Canada and the United States of America have signed an Implementation Procedures for Licencing (IPL) agreement on the conversion of pilot licences and certificates.

The IPL agreement permits pilots holding certain licences or certificates from either country to obtain a licence or certificate from the other country if certain requirements are met. The agreement will come into effect on December 1, 2006.

“Today’s agreement builds upon a long history of cooperation in aviation between Canada and the United States,” said Minister Cannon.

The IPL is the result of extensive cooperative work between Transport Canada and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in the United States. Transport Canada and the FAA have evaluated and compared each other’s pilot licensing standards and procedures. This was done to determine what, if any, additional requirements would be necessary to assure that pilots are in compliance with standards in each respective country.

The IPL agreement is limited to the aeroplane category of aircraft and applies to private, commercial and airline transport pilot licences and certificates. The agreement also covers night rating, instrument rating, multi-engine class rating and type ratings.

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Contacts:

Natalie Sarafian
Press Secretary
Office of the Minister of Transport,
Infrastructure and Communities, Ottawa
613-991-0700
Lucie Vignola
Communications
Transport Canada, Ottawa
613-993-0055

Transport Canada is online at http://www.tc.gc.ca. Subscribe to news releases and speeches at apps.tc.gc.ca/listserv/ and keep up-to-date on the latest from Transport Canada.

This news release may be made available in alternative formats for persons with visual disabilities.

[Aeros]

You will need to take only one written exam. This exam is an Air Law differences exam. Once you have done that and obtained a TC Category 1 Medical Certificate you are away to the races.

Since the Instrument Rating in Canada expires every two years you will need to demonstrate that you completed either your (FAA) Instrument Rating flight test within the past two years or an Instrument Proficiency check within the last two years. If that is the case you will get an Instrument Rating that is valid for two years from the date of the ride or proficiency check.

If you can demonstrate that you have at least 900 hours on aeroplanes you will also be issued a TC ATPL.

Any type ratings that you hold will transfer over.

This will only work on the aeroplane side of things.

[Z_Pilot]

You will need to take only one written exam. This exam is an Air Law differences exam. Once you have done that and obtained a TC Category 1 Medical Certificate you are away to the races.

Since the Instrument Rating in Canada expires every two years you will need to demonstrate that you completed either your (FAA) Instrument Rating flight test within the past two years or an Instrument Proficiency check within the last two years. If that is the case you will get an Instrument Rating that is valid for two years from the date of the ride or proficiency check.

If you can demonstrate that you have at least 900 hours on aeroplanes you will also be issued a TC ATPL.

Any type ratings that you hold will transfer over.

This will only work on the aeroplane side of things.

Is the Air Law differences exam new?
I know there is an Air Law test, but the differences exam must be new.
That said, what's the best way to study for this exam?
Is there any publication out there that points out the differences between FAA and TC regulations?
I'll check with Aerocourse and see if they can help.

Thanks for the reply!

Z

[duplicate2]

What will be the new process to obtain an FAA ATPL for the holder of a TC ATPL?

[Aeros]

What will be the new process to obtain an FAA ATPL for the holder of a TC ATPL?

Essentially the same thing. Get an FAA Medical. Write thier Air Law differences exam. Head down to a FSDO (after their security check I believe) and voila.....

Check out
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... hlight=caa

[Aeros]

Is the Air Law differences exam new?

YES -- it has just been developed as part of the TC/FAA agreement.

That said, what's the best way to study for this exam?
Is there any publication out there that points out the differences between FAA and TC regulations?

TC should be developing a study and refeernce guide for their exam as we speak. I have no idea what the FAA folks are doing. That being said, I would imagine that there isn't that much out there right now since the agreement was just signed and the exams have all come to be by virtue of this agreement.

[Panama Jack]

Here is the so-called matrix.

Looks pretty slick-- still pinching myself, can't believe it's true

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/gener ... endixA.htm

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/gener ... ac0601.htm

[Z_Pilot]

Thanks for the replies everyone!

TC actually emailed and called me today to state that they now have more specific information about the process.
So, it looks like I found a study guide:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/gener ... s/menu.htm
However, there is very little in it that is for ATPL commercial ops. Most of it is rotorwing ops, PPL stuff...

I emailed Aerocourse to see if they could offer any assistance, or if they were going to develop a course for this exam. No reply.


Z

[Z_Pilot]

As it turns out, Aerocourse will not have a test prep for this new conversion test.

I need your help.

How can I prepare for this test?

I can't possibly memorize all the FAR's and TC rules and somehow, find minute differences hidden amongst thousands of pages.

Is there a guide book out there that outlines the differences?
Any other books?

Would TC's ATPL prep course be of any use to me?

Please help.

Thanks

Z

[chipmunk]

Well, I'm doing this in reverse (TC to FAA) and right now I'm studying out of the ASA Test Prep for the FAA ATPL. The regs section seems to be quite thorough. After that I plan on skimming through the FARs to ensure I know the basics (VFR, SVFR, etc) even though I have no idea if that kind of stuff will be on the exam.

If I were doing it the other way around, I'd probably tackle it like this: Get the Aerocourse ATPL workbook and do the regs questions. Then, go through the Study and Reference Guide for the Air Regs test for Foreign and Military Applicants which are actual questions:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/gener ... 9/Menu.htm
This goes through some good basics (airspace, aeromedical, VFR weather minima etc, some of which may be the same as the US but some of which are different) then get into the CARs (online at tc.gc.ca) and skim them for basic info. I'd start with Part VI, subpart 1 (Airspace) and take it from there. Note that there are the Regulations (the "rules"), and then sometimes there are Standards to expand on/describe/quantify, etc the Regulation. (i.e. Standard 622.11 goes into more detail and has more "rules" for Regulation 602.11) It shouldn't be too difficult, since I find the online CARs set up much better than the any of the web versions of the FARs I found. That may be a bit of overkill, but then again, there's no real outline of what will be on the exam, that I have found.

I am hoping there will be a proper study and reference guide published for both exams, but in the meantime I'm just doing what I can.

If I hear of or find anything more I will post, failing that I'll let you know how my exam-writing goes next month.

Cheers

[COEHILL]

Sorry to revive this thread from the dead. Just wondering if anyone has written any of the ATP differences exams from either country.

I wrote the TC---FAA conversion exams for commercial and instrument 4 years ago. From what I can remember it was mostly airspace questions with a few oxygen requirement questions but its been awhile.

Anybody write a conversion exam recently?

[COEHILL]

Just in case someone has this question in the future, the . Instrument Rating Written Test Book has two FAAIA sample exams.