Delusional Muslims

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:41 pm

So do you approve of the way Muslims treat women Beacon?

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:19 am

Cat Driver wrote:So do you approve of the way Muslims treat women Beacon?

Do all Canadians live in igloos?

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:30 am

Beacon Final wrote:Not glad to see your back.... I see everyone else is the same. What now you hate women? Get a life dude.

Huh? Whose back can you see?

..or did you mean "you're" as in "you are".

Either way, who?

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:05 pm

politically_incorrect wrote:Yep, accepting and condoning all that is certainly something we should value as a society. It's really important that some people in Canada should have the freedom to brow-beat and brainwash their women into walking around wearing tents, based on unverifiable claims made in a book. Really highlights our intelligence and sophistication as a populace.

In starting this thread you've done a sufficient job of making sure nobody who's reading it has any doubt one way or another about how you stand on the whole topic of religion. I for one really don't care how you feel about religion, religious people, religious tradition, etc. I'm agnostic, you're preaching to the choir, but in case you've never noticed, you're not exactly going to convince anybody who doesn't already believe that religion is a scam, so you can tone down the rhetoric.

Now, the part I take issue with is that you seem to be trying to advance the point that we as a society would be somehow better if we forced people to abandon religious practices. There is a word to describe policies like that, and it's authoritarian. I'll provide a link to a short summary of what it means in case you're unfamiliar..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

I'd much rather live in a nation full of people who are personally religious than a nation which believes it needs to use oppressive measures to prove that it's intellectually superior. This whole idea has been tried, numerous times, and it has been without exception in totalitarian regimes. By your measure, the USSR must have been an intelligent and sophisticated society. Enver Hoxha must have been the pinnacle of atheistic intellectualism.

Beacon Final · Post by **Beacon Final** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:29 pm

hey gr8gazu you got me there.... bad habit. Thanks.

Cat... no i dont approve of the mistreatment of women by anyone of any race.

I do not agree with the author of this thread. He should not be painting all Muslims with the same brush. Like someone else said, "Do all Canadains live in igloos?"

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:09 pm

Yes, we all live in igloos. Next question.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:10 pm

Beacon Final.

Do you think multiculturalism is good for Canada?

bij · Post by **bij** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:37 pm

politically_incorrect wrote:
The question is why these women, who are not living under the oppressive regimes of the middle east, and do in fact have a choice in the matter, are not able to escape the obvious brain washing they've been given. How do they think the rest of the world is able to function without dressing their women up like it's Halloween 365 days a year?

Wearing a veil while living in western society does nothing more than legitimize and propagate the extremist interpretation of a religion, and that has no place in free Western societies. Ditch your veils at the border, thanks.

so, are you saying that these women, who were the burkas by free choice, inorder to show free will, they should dress how you want them too? Is that any different? Maybe they find great comfort in wearing their traditional clothing to whatever degree. Isn't it more to the point that they are given the choice to dress as they feel appropriate, instead of caving to ANY pressures, whether they be their own or of our society. Are we any better? We market mid riff baring shirts and butt crack showing jeans to preadolescent girls. We try to dress them up as grown women instead of the children they are. If you are going to criticize other cultures based on the way the women dress, maybe you should look at your own first. What is it that we really value? How are our women treated and viewed? How important are our "tits and curves"?

I don't think it is right to chastize someone just because they have faith in something we can not understand. I have way too little faith in anything right now, so i can respect those who have blind faith in a greater being. And having faith doesn't equal extremism....those people are radicals, and they exist in all levels of society.

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:00 am

Let's turn the tables.

Western women have so much more freedom how they dress than Muslim women. They can go to work without makeup, without combing their hair, without dying the grey streaks, wearing running shoes with suits, without bras, without lipstick. They don't because.....it's frowned upon by our culture. As much as you may argue they are free to do so, they really aren't. There are consequences. They could lose their jobs.

Western women are not discriminated against men in Canada, right? Why does it cost more to dry clean a blouse than shirt, more for womens pants than mens? Women's hair cuts cost more than men's. Women still earn less money for comparable jobs in Canada. We don't discriminate? No but them sand niggers in Middle East do and we should bomb the @#$! out of them.

How many of you enlightened guys climb into the passenger seat when the you and your wife head out the door, not automatically assuming you're going to drive? How repressive you guys are towards your women. How many of you are expected to do the laundry, cooking and raising of kids? Those poor Canadian woman. Maybe Canada needs to be invaded so they can save those poor women from being so oppressed. Women really aren't treated equally in Canada so someone should bomb them and teach them a lesson.

There are topless beaches in Europe. People tan in the nude. Topless beaches in Toronto? Are you kidding. That'll lead to rape and eventually suicide bombing. What a repressed society. And those priests that buggar young boys. What the hell kind of place is Canada anyways?

I've lived in the Middle East. My staff were all Shiite. I attended many religious events as their guest. Today I balance my internet postings between defending ignorant rants by my Muslim acquantenances and ignorant rants by Canadians who seem to have acquired most of their education watching their families on Jerry Springer or the glued to Fox news network. It's so clear that many of you know @#$! ALL about Islam, Muslim tradition, culture, etc.

....and by the way I am not Muslim, nor will I convert. I was baptised Catholic but don't practise.

Have an average day.

niss · Post by **niss** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:21 am

Topless beaches in Toronto? Are you kidding. That'll lead to rape and eventually suicide bombing.

http://www.fcn.ca/ontbchs.html

TORONTO ISLAND - HANLAN'S POINT
As of May 1999, the southern portion of Hanlan's Point Beach has been officially designated as clothing-optional by the City of Toronto. It is now maintained by the City of Toronto's Park's department Lifeguards and other facilities are provided. Please note that only the designated beach section is clothing-optional. Clothes must be worn in all other areas.

Take the Hanlan ferry across to Hanlan's Point from the ferry terminal at the foot of Bay Street. (Click here for the ferry schedule) Walk along the paved path past the airport continue until you are at the beach. (about 5-10 minutes) Once on the beach, walk away from the airport (south) until you get to the fenced section that designates the clothing-optional section. If in doubts, look for the signs that identify the clothing-optional area.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:36 am

" How many of you enlightened guys climb into the passenger seat when the you and your wife head out the door, not automatically assuming you're going to drive? "

Well bmc I also have lived in Islamic countries, so how many women will you find driving cars in Saudi Arabia which last time I was there was Islamic?

" It's so clear that many of you know @#$! ALL about Islam,"

And it's clear you need a good kick in the nuts to change your attitude a little. ( or in the same place if you are a woman. )

Cat

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:46 am

Right, other religions are great as well.

Chosen people in search of promissed land.

Chosen people, with chosen rifle..

Chosen to be with each other, just not by themselves.

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:53 am

Cat Driver wrote: " How many of you enlightened guys climb into the passenger seat when the you and your wife head out the door, not automatically assuming you're going to drive? "

Well bmc I also have lived in Islamic countries, so how many women will you find driving cars in Saudi Arabia which last time I was there was Islamic

Cat

You quoted his question, replied to it, yet failed to answer it. The point, as it seems that bmc was trying to make, wasn't that women couldn't drive in saudi arabia, but merely pointing out the discrimination of women in our society.

No comment on that?

As for saudi, yeah I lived there too, and no, women don't drive, unless you're in the u.s. coumpounds, or better yet, in one of the aramco cities. Is this the only fault you found in the saudi system? I'm sure you can do better.

I bet you were there to fly, build hours, and make a shit load of money, instead of being there to improve their social structure.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:21 am

improve their social structure???

Naw, when I was not making money we strolled down the street and watched the beheadings in chop chop square.

Hell thats a lot safer than experiencing multiculturalism around Jane and Finch in TO.

By the way Bob logging hours is the last thing I want to do, but you keep at it and some day you may reach the same place in aviation.

Cat

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:37 am

Women's haircuts cost more cause they have more hair, and the cut takes longer. Their shirts are usually made from more delecate fabrics that are harder to clean, therefore cost more. If a guy has ass-length hair, guess what, he ain't paying $10 for a trim.

I can't think of one job in this country for which both sexes are elegible where a man would be chosen over a woman given the same exact credentials. The military (at the behest of the feds) discriminates against white males in recruiting by targeting women and minorities.

The problem here is definition. Defining people by sometihing other than who they are or what they do. As soon as you differentiate people, you have biggotry and oppression.

So stop defining people by thier differences. That guy that sits across from you in gourndschool, he's not black, he's your fucking classmate and leave it at that! That person beside you in the cockpit, she's not a 'woman', she's your fucking copilot, leave it there.

Does this mean that assholes aren't still assholes? No. It just means that Muslim, Christian, Black, White, Purple, whatever.... assholes are assholes, no prefix needed.

Men are oppressed in this country. Because I am a man, it is assumed that I am more violent, a potential rapist, insensitive to others, selfish and rude. Late at night, women will cross the street to avoid walking past me. If I walk into a store, I have to leave my bag at the front. I am accused of being a thief, they don't even know me! But women get to hold on to their gigantic purse. Those are stereotypes that I have to deal with. Everyone gets a hard time, IT'S NOT JUST YOU!!!!! So stop whining about equality, everyone deals with descrimination. Suck it up! Maybe if you stopped defining yourself as a victim, you wouldn't be one.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:58 am

" she's your fucking copilot "

I'd make sure that you put that in your ops manual just to protect yourself in case she falls out of love with you and charges you with rape.

bij · Post by **bij** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:16 am

Men are oppressed in this country. Because I am a man, it is assumed that I am more violent, a potential rapist, insensitive to others, selfish and rude. Late at night, women will cross the street to avoid walking past me. If I walk into a store, I have to leave my bag at the front. I am accused of being a thief, they don't even know me! But women get to hold on to their gigantic purse. Those are stereotypes that I have to deal with. Everyone gets a hard time, IT'S NOT JUST YOU!!!!!

Give me a freakin break...the poor oppressed white men of north america...that's a joke

So stop whining about equality, everyone deals with descrimination. Suck it up! Maybe if you stopped defining yourself as a victim, you wouldn't be one.

didn't you just play the victim at the very beginning of your own .You poor boy, I feel sooo sorry for you

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:21 am

Cat Driver wrote:improve their social structure???

Naw, when I was not making money we strolled down the street and watched the beheadings in chop chop square.

Hell thats a lot safer than experiencing multiculturalism around Jane and Finch in TO.

By the way Bob logging hours is the last thing I want to do, but you keep at it and some day you may reach the same place in aviation.

Cat

Glad that you noticed chop chop square, down south they still have the death penalty as well. Every culture has their own ways of doing things.

Got close once at the hotel with the alcohol, and lost a good friend, a doctor, for performing abortions, after hours of course, to a princess.

Anyways, logging hours is what brings home the bacon, and if you mean you're too rich to care for $$$, then yes, I do wish to reach the same place as you.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:30 am

" Glad that you noticed chop chop square, "

It was hard to miss because we usually stayed at the Red Sea Palace hotel and we could see the execution platform from our window.

So you feel that Islamic law and North American law are the same?

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:54 am

Cat,

I must say, you're really good at twisting words, maybe law is where you should venture into.

When and where, or even, how did you come up with that comment? Ofcourse, this is just in order to better help me understand how you concluded that I felt that both islamic and north american laws are the same.

p.s. they had me at the sands hotel in jeddah. great little place.

Stoptheworld · Post by **Stoptheworld** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:11 pm

i refuse to believe that the virgins are there to cook and clean.

But they damn well better

JakeYYZ · Post by **JakeYYZ** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:14 pm

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mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:23 pm

bij wrote:
Men are oppressed in this country. Because I am a man, it is assumed that I am more violent, a potential rapist, insensitive to others, selfish and rude. Late at night, women will cross the street to avoid walking past me. If I walk into a store, I have to leave my bag at the front. I am accused of being a thief, they don't even know me! But women get to hold on to their gigantic purse. Those are stereotypes that I have to deal with. Everyone gets a hard time, IT'S NOT JUST YOU!!!!!
Give me a freakin break...the poor oppressed white men of north america...that's a joke

So stop whining about equality, everyone deals with descrimination. Suck it up! Maybe if you stopped defining yourself as a victim, you wouldn't be one.
didn't you just play the victim at the very beginning of your own .You poor boy, I feel sooo sorry for you

That's the point smarty. Everyone has to deal with shit. You're no different than anyone else. If you say you are different, don't be surprised if you're treated that way. The poor white guy bit sounds stupid to you?? Well the poor women shit sound just as stupid when you think about it.

Now quit feeling sorry for yourselves and be happy with what you have. If you're being discriminated against, try not to think of it in terms of minorities, YOU are being discriminated against plain and simple. Not all women, not all blacks, not all gooey three-toed monsters, YOU!!!!

bij · Post by **bij** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:56 pm

mellow_pilot wrote:
Now quit feeling sorry for yourselves and be happy with what you have. If you're being discriminated against, try not to think of it in terms of minorities, YOU are being discriminated against plain and simple. Not all women, not all blacks, not all gooey three-toed monsters, YOU!!!!

My only point is that it is hypocritical for men of our culture to decide how these women should dress...we spend way too much time judging others that are different from ourselves, and then end up discriminating, prejudging, and whatever....I in no way have spoke of being discrimanted against. And I think you make a good point...we shouldn't make each individual responsible for the whole of their peers, we shouldn't hold a group liable for the actions of one or a few.

In any case, I do think it is more important to look inward at your own flaws before judging anothers.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:29 pm

I would so like to bang an oppressed Muslim chick

Delusional Muslims

Re: not glad

gr8gazu