Canjet

Luscombe · Post by **Luscombe** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:43 pm

I hear ya.

I was one of those 100 or so pilots laid off. It took me 5 weeks, but I've had 3 interviews and two job offers. That's a 667 batting average. What a difference from a year ago eh?

I'm going to be taking one of the offers. I suppose it might be that I'm not patient enough to wait for ol' Uncle Kenny to call me back. Regardless, the offer at CanJet version 2.5 would have to be a really good one for me to return. My fear is that he would call back a bunch of us just to lay us off again in May when the lucritive charter season is done or the lease is up on the 500's. His track record in the past has shown us his willingness to stick it out for the long run (NOT) and I for one is feeling a little burned.

The guys and girls at CanJet were some of the best people I've ever had the pleasure to work with, and I miss them all dearly. Hopefully I will have the privilege to fly with some of them again someday.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:55 pm

rickenbacker wrote:...St Martain fiascos...

what St Martain fiasco???

flyin' fish · Post by **flyin' fish** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:12 am

it was a mess, leave it at that. -500's weren't meant to fly that far from Montreal and it just created one problem after another.

our_kid2000 · Post by **our_kid2000** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:12 am

From what I was told by mgmt, there was also some union "work rules" involved that didn't help the situation. Apparantly this St. Marten incident drove a huge wedge between the company and the Pilots & F/As.

Somethin about the flight attendants in particular, I can't really remember exactly but it was something about being over worked and because of that, all the passengers had to be put in hotels.

The 500's were really never meant for these long hauls, stuff like this was bound to happen.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:47 am

so a fuel/range issue? duty times? both? neither? :p

our_kid2000 · Post by **our_kid2000** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:07 am

Fuel range issue leading to a duty time sort of issue is my understanding.

J31 · Post by **J31** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:02 am

our_kid2000 wrote:From what I was told by mgmt, there was also some union "work rules" involved that didn't help the situation. Apparantly this St. Marten incident drove a huge wedge between the company and the Pilots & F/As.

That is an uninformed take on the situation and it is irresponsible to make comments like that.

A series of delays and other issues put some crew into a potential 18+ hour work day. Fatigue and doubt as to whether crewmembers could safely carry out their duties resulted in the flight being delayed for crew rest. There were many mistakes made and to point fingers would be counterproductive. The bottom line is CanJet learned from that issue and hopefully they will be smarter about it in the future.

rickenbacker · Post by **rickenbacker** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:02 pm

I didnt mean to drag the St Martain issue up again. It's been beaten to death enough. My point is that now Canjet will have a responsibility to whomever they have their contracts with. Running to lean on their crews, low perdiems, hard work schedule, plus the fact that pretty much everyone cant see beyond May should be taken into account. It's time to show a little class, do some much needed damage control, and tweak a few things. Then when the shit hits the fan the crews will go the extra mile.

our_kid2000 · Post by **our_kid2000** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:29 pm

That is an uninformed take on the situation and it is irresponsible to make comments like that.

Thats just what I was told by a manager....I had no idea, at the time, if it was the truth or what, its just what was said.

In any case, it seemed to be a turning point for the relations. Anyways, its all water under the bridge now. Hopefully they did learn from it and maybe it will mean they'll get some nice Airbuses and we'll get back on the go again! LOL

flynbutcher · Post by **flynbutcher** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:36 pm

Can anyone shed some light on why there are several of Canjet's 37's sitting on the ramp with there engines off. Sounds like to me that they are probably getting them ready to send back to the owners. This is after the 4 have already been returned.

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:45 pm

generally any acft leases have to go back with the parts and part serial numbers they came with.so with engines and changes.probably several are mixed up throughout the fleet.

Kandoo · Post by **Kandoo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:58 am

Four aircraft are going back. Three have already gone the last leaves Tuesday. As part of the lease returns certain engines were to be returned on specific aircraft. Some of the engines being kept are gone for overhaul, that’s why aircraft are sitting around on the ramp with no engines. I think the count is ten engine changes for maintenance in the last five weeks.

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:47 am

What happened to all of the postings from Oct 17? Did East coaster and J31 have the page removed? This forum is very Mickey Mouse.

po'dcjer · Post by **po'dcjer** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:57 am

Hey GB, doesnt much matter who removed the post. Big Blue Sky was inappropriate and being a dick...not the place for it...well done I say....

EastCoaster · Post by **EastCoaster** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:44 am

If I'd known how, I would have had the post removed so the answer is that I had nothing to do with it. I find this anonymous forum to have good points and bad points. The good being that we can all chat on here about the goings-on and nobody has to know who anyone actually is. The bad part being that any fool can quickly sign up for an account and post hear-say and crap. Just because I stood up against someone dumb enough to post such content does not imply that I have anything to do with them, I just like it when people are treated with respect.

J31 · Post by **J31** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:52 am

green bastard wrote:What happened to all of the postings from Oct 17? Did East coaster and J31 have the page removed? This forum is very Mickey Mouse.

How would you like your name or initials being attached to an incident published in public? It not only harms the individual but it also does a disservice to all of us as professional pilots.

We want to be paid, treated as professionals…… then act like one!

This forum is run by a private individual and he does it as a hobby. There is a lot of good information and discussions on AVCANADA…..BUT Joe also has the right to decide what is acceptable and not. Now he is a reasonable guy and allows a lot of leeway but offensive items will likely get the boot.

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:59 am

First of all what happened to Bitars Deli discussion? Secondly give it up, CJ never treated anyone as a professional or paid them like one. I am not defending big blue(whatever his name) I just think discussion and debate are healthy for the soul, whether people agree or not. This is not a court of law or even a public newspaper so take its content for what its worth, and let people voice their concerns.

2low · Post by **2low** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:49 pm

po'dcjer · Post by **po'dcjer** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:54 pm

toolow_flaps wrote:@#$! Canjet

too low real classy, my daughter just looked over my shoulder....she said ya must be a son of ac pilot...way to go dumbass....your all class

rickenbacker · Post by **rickenbacker** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:03 pm

This is why aviation in Canada is such a mess, we act like a bunch of children.

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:14 pm

toolow_flaps

That last remark was uncalled for and should be deleted. Show a little class..

EastCoaster · Post by **EastCoaster** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:27 pm

Wow... how much longer will these kind of things keep popping up on this thread? It's unfortunate that the level of conversation seems to have sunk to an all new low. TOO LOW.

Your mother must be proud. Kids see this stuff, it's just really sad.

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:49 pm

you all drooled and praised TOO LOW for his avatar a few months back......kids dont see that though eh?

Big Blue Sky · Post by **Big Blue Sky** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:54 am

green bastard wrote:First of all what happened to Bitars Deli discussion? Secondly give it up, CJ never treated anyone as a professional or paid them like one. I am not defending big blue(whatever his name) I just think discussion and debate are healthy for the soul, whether people agree or not. This is not a court of law or even a public newspaper so take its content for what its worth, and let people voice their concerns.

It's because the St. Pete's fuel incident was never reported to KR or to Transport. It's still hits a bit of a raw nerve area with those involved.

Stoptheworld · Post by **Stoptheworld** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:40 am

you all drooled and praised TOO LOW for his avatar a few months back......kids dont see that though eh?

You hit that nail right on the head, good on ya