Too Much Paper, Not Enough Physics

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:09 am

From Avweb:

"On a clear, crisp day, after a particular strong Southern California
winter storm dropped the Jet Stream well south and at a low altitude,
I flew my Mooney 231 from Santa Monica, California, to Scottsdale,
Arizona. After Landing, I was sitting in the FBO talking about the
100-plus knot tailwind at 19,000 feet when another pilot told me he
too had just flown from California in his Mooney 252. He said that he
was going so fast that the DME kept going above VNE ... so he had to
keep the landing gear down most of the way to keep below the "Never
Exceed" speed limitation of his plane."

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/a ... tml#193475

Apache64_ · Post by **Apache64_** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:14 am

Some people are just way too smert.

Cheers

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:38 am

Thanks for the laugh with the morning coffee Hedley... lol

STL

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:39 am

Ahhh Hedley, I wonder if he goes to Avcanada's flight training forum to learn from all the experts there.

Cat

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:16 am

Was that guy on glue or something?

AV8OR · Post by **AV8OR** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:21 am

I wonder if he'd be scared of stalling the aircraft if he flew from Scottsdale, Arizona to Santa Monica, California.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:37 am

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:41 am

Cat Driver wrote:Ahhh Hedley, I wonder if he goes to Avcanada's flight training forum to learn from all the experts there.

Cat

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:14 pm

I once had a student (who was a licenced pilot) explain to me how he could take advantage of the earth's rotation to fly eastbound. He planned to climb his Cherokee 140 up "real high" and then throttle back to minimum airpspeed and just let the earth rotate under him.

goldeneagle · Post by **goldeneagle** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:09 pm

For some silly reason, reading something like that always makes the morning wakeup coffee taste just a little better.

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:10 pm

Cat Driver wrote:Ahhh Hedley, I wonder if he goes to Avcanada's flight training forum to learn from all the experts there.

Cat

Learn??

He is one of the experts, he's there to teach.

When I get tail winds like this I open the doors because I don't have a speed brake.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:13 am

I once heard a guy say he was going to go up on a really windy day and see if he could get the GPS to give a negative speed. Took me a second...

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:57 am

What an idiot....didn't he ever hear of airbrakes?....All he had to do was pull those & that would have stop'd him
(just like in the bugs bunny cartoons)

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:56 am

he was going to go up on a really windy day

Heh. Every once in a while, we get a howling wind down the runway. Doesn't happen very often back east here, but when it does, I like to take one of the Citabrias up, and see if I can take it off, and stay low and slow, and hover it a few feet above the mid-point of the runway

Last time I tried, I got it down below 10 mph, but I couldn't quite stop it. Perhaps next time, there will be a bit more wind so that I can hover it, then maybe even slowly fly backwards down the runway.

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:22 am

mellow_pilot wrote:I once heard a guy say he was going to go up on a really windy day and see if he could get the GPS to give a negative speed. Took me a second...

Once managed with a student in a 172 to get a GS down to 9 Kts. I have occaisonally seen one guy here at AH3 hover his colt on final on really windy days.

As for this guy slowing down, sure it's easy to call him dumb. Unfortunately he is the product of bad instruction. It sadens me to see that someone could actually be a pilot and be so mixed up. Unfortunately when you can pass the written exam with 60%, that means you can not know 40% of the material.

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:00 pm

Lurch wrote:When I get tail winds like this I open the doors because I don't have a speed brake.

Bad idea. The tail wind will only treat your doors sails and increase your speed even more!!!

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:06 pm

I've gone backwards in slowflight once in a 172 and once in a Cherokee. The C-172 was during a 55 kt wind at 6000 ft in the practice area, and the Cherokee was during a 50 kt wind at about 4000 ft. Haven't had any luck with close-to-surface hovering though.

Dang.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:35 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm?ls

Perhaps this is evidence that participation in aviation will hasten the onset.

. . · Post by **. .** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:01 pm

I had a zlin 242 going backwards years ago. The speed on the GPS slowed steadily and then rose as the track reversed. I think it was around 6kts backwards over echo bay.

Dog · Post by **Dog** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:44 pm

I have done a full circuit without turning... people began to question my judgement after that.

But that was in the little airport world. When I went to work, flying in the kihci notin was expected of me.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:14 pm

I don't suppose going backwards during a tailslide or torque roll counts, does it?

I try not to go too fast backwards, because it's very hard on the flight controls. Ask any Transport Inspector about the proper flight control inputs during a tailslide.

Rob Holland almost got killed this year during a monster torque roll when his rudder broke.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:25 pm

I hovered a 150 at 500' once going into yyc. Landing rwy 25 with the wind something like 35 kts on a chinook day. I hovered until the guy in front of me exited then got my landing clearance from tower with the remarks "nice work". Not my brightest idea since I needed almost full power in slow flight to do it, but hey young...dumb...and full of something anyway...