Buying a C150

eterepekio · Post by **eterepekio** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:03 pm

Looking for a few good guys/girls in the GTA who would be interested in buying a Cessna 150 (fractional ownership) 3 to 4 people (including myself) If anyone is interested (students looking for cheap time building), please let me know. I think it would be a great opportunity to save money (we all know how expensive renting can be) have fun and meet new people.

Please contact me

cheers

eterepekio.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:17 pm

Great idea.

Come up with 11,000 each and buy mine and build time that will make you a better pilot.

Hell I'll even train one of you how to fly it as there are probably not many instructors in your area that will. ( Or can. )

Cat

Tango01 · Post by **Tango01** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:35 pm

Your 150 is 44K Cat?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:45 pm

No, Cat's 150 is 20K...the rest is to have the Cat train you!
Really though, buying a 150 is wonderful idea. You will learn far more about aviation than you will ever learn renting. Just make sure you draw up some rules regarding maint costs etc in advance. AOPA...that's the American one,has lots of info on how to set up a "club"...because that's what you're doing. Two words....DO IT!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:12 pm

Tango01:

I'll let it go for that because I have to sell it to finish my Cub...my wife won't let me spend any more money on airplanes.

Trust me I have far more than that invested in it.

By the way FlyYukon was looking at it, PM him and ask him what he thought.

Cat

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:24 pm

It's probably got cat hair all over it!

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:45 pm

Cat Driver wrote:Great idea.

Come up with 11,000 each and buy mine and build time that will make you a better pilot.

Hell I'll even train one of you how to fly it as there are probably not many instructors in your area that will. ( Or can. )

Cat

That's right, ... 44K for a 150, included must be solid gold seat belt buckles.

And I've also heard there are no decent instructers in the GTA, actually maybe not in the whole county, maybe none in the world that can teach you like Cat Driver can. He's the best, ...just ask him.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:02 pm

O.K. so how many schools or instructors are there avaliable in the Toronto area who do tail wheel training?

I was going from comments here on Avcanada when people inquired about tail wheel training.

So Hornblower, what do you think my C150 is worth?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:07 pm

Cat Driver wrote:O.K. so how many schools or instructors are there avaliable in the Toronto area who do tail wheel training?

I was going from comments here on Avcanada when people inquired about tail wheel training.

So Hornblower, what do you think my C150 is worth?

I was just searching today, been looking for tailwheel time for ages, and a good instructor. Found two places so far: Brampton has a Super-Cub, and St Thomas has a Fleet Canuck. FutureAir apparently has a Citabria, but the website is 2 - 3 years old...

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:08 pm

Does it have a G1000 glass panel?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:39 pm

If it had a glass panel it would be worth considerably more.

But it does hav a Anywheremap GPS installed in the left control wheel rumming on an Ipac 3670.

So what do you think my C150 is worth Hornblower?

You came on here and slagged it so tell us what do you think it is worth????

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:41 pm

Sounds pretty good, any pics of her, Cat?

Besides, full glass panel on a light GA airplane is ridiculous. No matter how much info you display in front of you in pretty colors, if you dont interpret it correctly, use it correctly, or look outside when required, it wont matter who you are...it wont dodge a building for you.

If you get the proper training, it can make you a safer pilot and increase your situational awareness. But putting blind faith in them is a biiiig issue.

[/rant] Sorry...haha.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:45 pm

Yeh, Clodhopper that was what I was alluding to, it might be difficult to find a qualified instructor to check out someone on a A150 tail wheel airplane, in the Tronto area.

The thing is not as easy to fly as a Citabria or a Canuck or a Super Cub because of the spring steel gear, it's about half way between a Citabria and a Pitts for directional control on the runway.

By the way I have no special desire to check out anyone for the simple reason I'm not interested in doing any training period.

Cat

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:48 pm

Thats too bad. You have alot of experience to pass on, and it would be a shame to see that not happen.

If everyone on here would be more willing to open their eyes and accept varying opinions, we could all learn something. Not just "avoid asking questions on AvCanada..."

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:51 pm

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Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:56 pm

Wow, quite the aircraft. Nice to see something different from the usual. Appears to be in great condition too, nice work Cat.

Tango01 · Post by **Tango01** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:59 pm

I believe Cat has invested quite a bit, I know those Texas Taildraggers are expensive, well worth the money though. If its the 150 on your site, I must say its a beautiful airplane ..

BTW you can get tailwheel training in the GTA!

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:59 pm

Very nice Cat.

I too have been looking at buying myself an airplane. I was thinking Citabria, but some people have mentioned concerns about the west coast salt water environment clashing with the steel frame cloth construction of this a/c. Any thoughts? What about the wooden spar?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:04 pm

Yeh, I've owned it for about eight years and did the conversion myself and keep it in a hangar..

...It has 132 hours on an Okanagan rebuild with millenium cylinders..light starter...spin on oilfilter.

I bought it for that school I wanted to start, but alas TC would not approve my application to own another school.

So it just sits in the hangar until I can sell it.

Anyhow it's not very high on my worry meter, eventually someone will give it a good home.

Cat

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:09 pm

Cat Driver wrote: So what do you think my C150 is worth Hornblower?

You came on here and slagged it so tell us what do you think it is worth????

Did I slag it?

I was more or less yanking your chain (not in a malicious of mean spirited way) because of your self aggrandizement.

None the less, 44K is a lot for a 150, taildragger or not. And notwithstanding that learning on a taildragger would benefit the right student in the long run, a taildragger would actually have less value for students since the insurance costs would be prohibitive.

However keep trying, ... you never know who may have the deepockets.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:23 pm

Why would insurance be prohibitive?

It was registered Commercial for training and I did not pay anymore for insurance on it than the nose wheel C150 I had registered commercial and both were in my company name.

Hornblower insurance is based on who is flying it, I get very low insurance rates.

I'm sure there are others in Ontario who would be able to get low rates also...

How about you? Would you be eligible for a low rate on it/

Cat

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:33 pm

Cat Driver wrote:Why would insurance be prohibitive?

Hornblower insurance is based on who is flying it, I get very low insurance rates.

I'm sure there are others in Ontario who would be able to get low rates also...

How about you? Would you be eligible for a low rate on it/

Cat

Would you never let your students fly the aircraft solo?

As for my rates, why don't you ask your insurance company about getting me on your policy and see if it puts your rates up. I'll check with mine and see if you would get a better rate than I can?

Give me a call when you find out.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:40 pm

Spokes when I first got to thinking about which airplane I wanted to teach tail wheel flying and basic aerobatics I looked at the plusses and minuses of all the little critters that were certified for aerobatics.

I finally decided to convert an Aerobat to the Texas Taildragger STC because not only is it all metal but it has the recognition factor going for it as most students feel at home with the Cessna trainers.

So I bought it and did the conversion but never got to put my plans for training to use.

All in all it is a nice little critter that is inexpensive relatively speaking for an all metal aerobatic certified tail wheel trainer.

Murphy Rebels are selling for a hell of a lot more than $44,000.00 and they are not aerobatic.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:29 am

Cat Driver wrote:Great idea.

Come up with 11,000 each and buy mine and build time that will make you a better pilot.

Hell I'll even train one of you how to fly it as there are probably not many instructors in your area that will. ( Or can. )

Cat

That's an expensive PCC

l_reason · Post by **l_reason** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:15 am

I’m not be an instructor (anymore) but I could teach tail wheel in that lil thing and if someone wanted I’ll even fly it from BC back to ON. $44 grand is a bit steep for a 150 but buy looking at the pictures it is a great looking plane. A light tail dragger will make you a better stick and rudder pilot when you hit the 200hr mark. The only problem I would see with Cat’s plane is your not going to be logging any night or instrument time