Where are they now on the list?

yellow donkey · Post by **yellow donkey** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:27 am

Anyone at Jazz interview for mainline recently? What # are they interviewing off the Jazz seniority list?

Tks,
YD

Foxe · Post by **Foxe** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:06 pm

don't know about the numbers but they started to interview the ones hired in december 05...

Anyway no sweat with 1 out of 5 hired......

Motto Pilot · Post by **Motto Pilot** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:40 pm

I heard that they are hiring 40% of who they interview off the street and 20% of who they interview from Jazz.

Foxe · Post by **Foxe** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:08 pm

And AC still investigates to know where the remaining 40 % coming from....

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:14 pm

Nice one Foxe

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thrust set · Post by **thrust set** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:34 pm

I actually asked two members from the hiring committee if it's true that their is a low percentage coming from Jazz and the answer was about the same rate as what comes off the street and even for that the military members are seeing their fair share of PFO letters as well.

So what do you do when someone comes from Jazz and does not score high enough to get them in the door. Hire them anyway? Those out there that want to believe there is a conspiracy theory not to hire Jazz pilots as it will double the training costs is a bunch of baloney as I know a few Jazz captains coming in the next couple months. Bottom line is some do better on the interview, cog, psyc tests than others. Look as it as your total score that will make your phone ring with a job offer not just your time in a log book.

Motto Pilot · Post by **Motto Pilot** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:49 pm

thrust set wrote:I actually asked two members from the hiring committee if it's true that their is a low percentage coming from Jazz and the answer was about the same rate as what comes off the street and even for that the military members are seeing their fair share of PFO letters as well.

So what do you do when someone comes from Jazz and does not score high enough to get them in the door. Hire them anyway? Those out there that want to believe there is a conspiracy theory not to hire Jazz pilots as it will double the training costs is a bunch of baloney as I know a few Jazz captains coming in the next couple months. Bottom line is some do better on the interview, cog, psyc tests than others. Look as it as your total score that will make your phone ring with a job offer not just your time in a log book.

thrust set, you seem to be "in the know". Do you know if the hiring comittee hires a certain percentage of different types of candidates(as I have been told WestJet does) ie. so many from the military, so many from Tier 3, so many from the bush, etc. Just based on what I am reading from others on this forum, I am suspecting that AC is steadily drawing the top scoring candidates from the pool, regardless of how long they were in it.

Sage · Post by **Sage** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:22 am

I was talking to an ACP recently about the lack of guys from Jazz getting on the mainline and he basically said that AC seems to have the same rate of acceptance for CMA, Georgian, Military, etc...and that's about 30% for each. I couldn't believe it at that time.

JayDee · Post by **JayDee** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:41 am

Lately AC has hired from every spector of the Aviation industry including Jazz, Voyageur, Military, Corporate, CanJet, SkyService,Georgian, CMA, Perimeter, BearSkin, Ken Borek and pilots flying in Europe, Asia & South America.

When you considered the numbers, no one individual source seemed to be favoured, although there were more Jazz than any other group at about 10% of total, and that is to be expected

Some were single, most were married, some had a university degree, others did not. Ages ranged from 20's to mid 40's. Candidates were all well rounded in experience coming from all walks and backgrounds.

The door seems wide open to everyone.

The only similarity amoung all new hires was everyone had a smile on their face and were gratefull to finally be at Air Canada. A positive attitude was obvious throughout.

Though it may be too early to tell, I did not detect one "whiner" or "twisted individual" ( like one finds on this forum ), but lets give them a couple of years for AC to dash their expectaions and ACPA to warp their outlooks.

Good Luck !

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:58 am

In the last PIT course, I believe 8 out of the 23 were Jazz pilots.

AirbusDriver · Post by **AirbusDriver** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:55 am

Well you jazz guys should just be lucky you are getting special treatment. Guaranteed interviews is nice, the higher pay is complete BS. I am sick of all the Jazz BS. First of all, Jazz should not have Jets! Second the pref treatment should stop with an interview, but thats even a stretch. I have no beef with the Jazz guys here, they are good guys that I have seen and worked with. Its a matter of protecting the interests of mainline pilots. For new hires here the jazz pay is a real spit in the face that wont be forgotten.

Gurundu the Rat · Post by **Gurundu the Rat** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:32 am

Is this about hiring or the jets'r us BS? Get over it, AC can't even staff the 320s let alone the Embs. Could you imagine the training cost if they still had to hire on the RJs? I've flown your beloved RJs, Here's a newsflash: They're crap, you should be glad they're gone. I am. If you want to protect your interests I suggest getting your MEC to agree on a global solution with ALPA Jazz. Jazz will agree to BOTL, problem solved.

Dizzy · Post by **Dizzy** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:33 am

AirbusDriver wrote:For new hires here the jazz pay is a real spit in the face that wont be forgotten.

Disclaimer: If you're not a sarcasm fan, please skip to the next paragraph.

Honestly, is this what you picture when a Jazz pilot interviewed:
Interview Board "What are your salary expectations?"
Jazz Pilot "Well, I want to work here, but that starting salary is kind of low. What do you say you give me an extra ten thousand a year until formula pay kicks in?"
Interview Board "Well, I don't know... is that fair to our other new hires?"
Jazz Pilot "Well screw everyone else. I'm sick and tired of only Original Air Canada pilots and Canadian pilots fighting. I want to open a second front in this fractured workplace."
Interview Board "Okay, consider it done."

I'm going to be optimistic and assume that you're a vocal minority but ask you reasonably why you would hold a decision of Air Canada Human Resources against a pilot who happened to come from Jazz. Should they ask to refuse the money? Isn't the workplace at Air Canada fractured enough without highlighting more names on a seniority list? Your quarrel is with your management, not someone completing their 550 course or whatever it is.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:35 am

AirbusDriver wrote:Well you jazz guys should just be lucky you are getting special treatment. Guaranteed interviews is nice, the higher pay is complete BS. I am sick of all the Jazz BS. First of all, Jazz should not have Jets! Second the pref treatment should stop with an interview, but thats even a stretch. I have no beef with the Jazz guys here, they are good guys that I have seen and worked with. Its a matter of protecting the interests of mainline pilots. For new hires here the jazz pay is a real spit in the face that wont be forgotten.

Airbus driver
That’s the problem, no one is forgetting, no one is willing to turn the other cheek, because both sides have things they could remember.
We have jets, were growing, we are slowly stepping into what was once your back yard and setting up camp. And ya know what? It really sucks; it's killing our industry. As long as were at odds with each other, this is only going to get worse. So pointing fingers and making threats is not going to help anyone.

There has been a lot of talk about 09, and I truly hope by then the 2 groups can finally come to some understanding and work together to improve our situations. Cause I think its time the needs of the many, outweigh the greed of a few.
It’s time to move forward or be left behind.

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:39 am

Hey, you knew the rules. Come through the Regionals or get daddy/uncle to secure you a job. You made your choice.

LOL "...spit in the face that won't be forgotten". DRAMA QUEEN!!! Maybe the pay is a settlemet for making the Jazz pilots listen to cry babies such as yourself whine about the pay and how bad they were treated when their daddy got them on at AC from a Caravan or Navajo and how those lucky Jazz guys were frozen and scoped and other great perks. Crying towels are in the back.! Grab one would ya!

Maybe it has to do with the fact that the JAzz guys already work for the same corp as mainline. If we don't, why did we have to go through CCAA? None of the regionals were bankrupt.

The real nutcracracker though is ACPA was the one that desigend LOU18 that has the language that ensures Jazz guys get the perks. Why don't you ask them why it exists. Run along now and ask daddy or uncle why it is there. If nothing else, he will be proud of you for taking on the ACPA whine mentality!

As for the jets, YAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNN!!! Could that whine be beat to death anymore? You think it is bad now, wait until 2009 when mainline is pitted against Jazz again. How low are you scabs willing to go to keep equipment there? Don;t blame jazz for the race to the bottom. It started when the RJs were slotted for the Regionals and ACPA dropped it's pants to capture that flying. WHy don't you ask dad that tough question?

The problem is, you are probably some pissant daddy-daycare prodige who has been spoon fed bullshit for years about how righteous ACPA is and how the Regionals are only out to steal your job blah blah! You don;t want to hear facts, you just want to cry on your baby bottle about how tough life is and how every mailine problem is rooted in the regionals. MORON!!! ACPA has been fighting with everyone since it was created.

Sage · Post by **Sage** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:34 am

AirbusDriver wrote:Well you jazz guys should just be lucky you are getting special treatment. Guaranteed interviews is nice, the higher pay is complete BS. I am sick of all the Jazz BS. First of all, Jazz should not have Jets! Second the pref treatment should stop with an interview, but thats even a stretch. I have no beef with the Jazz guys here, they are good guys that I have seen and worked with. Its a matter of protecting the interests of mainline pilots. For new hires here the jazz pay is a real spit in the face that wont be forgotten.

Protecting the interests of mainline pilots huh? Aren't the Jazz guys in the AC groundschools now part of the mainline??? They are now ex-Jazz and are mainline pilots? Just like guys are now ex-Georgian or ex-CMA.

Jazz shouldn't have jets??? I guess you should get the all the airlines to make up a rule that states regionals (Jazz btw, is not a true regional but a national airline) should only fly turboprops. Tell that to the guys at American Eagle, Northwest Airlink, Chataqua, etc... and while you are at it, why not tell Bombardier and Embraer that they are just kidding themselves and that they should get out of the Regional Jet business totally. Jazz, whether you like it or not, is part of ACE...that is, AC and Jazz share the same parent. Wouldn't you give a little preferrential treatment to your smaller sibling if given a chance? If not, I feel sorry for you. Tough talk for an FNG. Get your head out of your ass!

double-j · Post by **double-j** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:42 pm

AirbusDriver wrote:Well you jazz guys should just be lucky you are getting special treatment. Guaranteed interviews is nice, the higher pay is complete BS. I am sick of all the Jazz BS. First of all, Jazz should not have Jets! Second the pref treatment should stop with an interview, but thats even a stretch. I have no beef with the Jazz guys here, they are good guys that I have seen and worked with. Its a matter of protecting the interests of mainline pilots. For new hires here the jazz pay is a real spit in the face that wont be forgotten.

Listen to this NOOB rant. For fak sakes, this clown was kicking stones in the the spring and now he's cock-of-the-walk ranting and raving that Jazz has done him wrong.

If you read his other posts, he berates a woman whom he thinks slipped through the cracks, but if you ask me, he should look in the mirror! Guys like this are only going to perpetuate the sour feelings between mainline and Jazz.

While your at it, you should post a picture of your Airbus for your Avatar, Topgun!

cheers!
jj

joebloggs · Post by **joebloggs** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:49 pm

Sounds like AirbuDdriver is one of the 'ones who slipped through the cracks'. Great attitude...I say 'get along or MOVE along'...nough said JB.

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:08 pm

Good post, KAG.

AirbusDriver · Post by **AirbusDriver** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:33 pm

Very ignorant attitude on your part. I said the Jazz guys on the property are good guys. That being said it does not make an unfair situation right. I welcome all jazz guys to ride the jumpseat, interview with us, and even go out for a beer. However, business is business. Major Airlines in the US and Canada have made the mistake of allowing Jets at the regional. The pilots hoping to come to mainline support this. Would you like a low paying regional job or a high paying job at a major? More jets at regional equates to less high paying major jobs. The reason there is a sour relationship is that Jazz guys cant accept that they are not the major, issues like senority intergration, ect. Stop waiting for something to be handed to you. Accept that Jazz is not Air Canada but part of ACE. If you recognize this and interview at par with other applicants and expect the same treatment then the sour feelings will go. Your a regional, and we appreciate the support that you give us. Just remember you are not entitled to be at Air Canada just like every other pilot that came from different backgrounds. THIS I REPEAT IS NOT A KNOCK ON THE JAZZ GUY, MOST ARE GREAT GUYS. I DONT TAKE THESE SOUR FEELINGS TO THE LINE. I GET ALONG WELL WITH THEM. HOWEVER BUSINESS IS BUINESS. WE TEND TO BE SHORT SIGHTED WHEN LOOKING UP AT OUR GOALS VIA OUR PRESENT POSITION. I WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS AS CAPTAIN AT A US REGIONAL. I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE JAZZ GUYS ARE COMING FROM BUT I AM SORRY BUT THE PAY AND SPECIAL TREATMENT ARE WRONG. Best of luck

2low · Post by **2low** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:28 pm

You arrogant fu@#ing prick. You should go back to the good ole US of A with that attitude.

AirbusDriver · Post by **AirbusDriver** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:41 pm

your pathetic toolow, whats a matter couldnt get hired? I would love to help you out, just dich the attitude it wont get you anywhere.

2low · Post by **2low** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:38 pm

Arrogant fucking prick. I don't need your help buddy. My dad works there as well.

Traf · Post by **Traf** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:36 pm

Wow, this airbus guy takes the cake. Their is nothing unfair about it. If you decide to go through the AC regionals, there is a benefit on the other side. The rules must make sense to someone out there or they wouldn;t exist.

As for the regionals not owning jets, why stop there? Maybe no turbines and only piston would be good enough for you. Stupid @#$!! The world is changing and everything is going to jets so suck it up (I am sure you have that skill down to an art)!!! Jazz and jets is a fact of life and until you get your big arrogant head wrapped around that, life will be misery for you.

The one thing that makes me smile is knowing that this is bothering you to no end. HAHA dumbass, I bet Jazz guys getting top slots in groundschool really chaps your ass too! Hehe!!! Face it, you are a second class citizen in groundschool!!!

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:39 am

I wonder if this Airbus fellow knows that the Embraers are coming to Jazz eventually.... suck it up dude, we're all sharing the playground whether you like it or not...