ATPL requirment changes?

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:07 pm

I have heard people talking about changes to the ATPL requiremnts, flight test and no copilot time. Anyone know if this is true, and when it is happening?

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:21 pm

PM TC Guy and ask him to post his thoughts on this.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:41 pm

If to get an ATPL, you were required to do a captain ride on a large aircraft, the licence might actually worth something? Counting co-pilot time as half is a total cop-out! If you are a REQUIRED crew member, then your time should count....at least as much as an instructor's time in a buck-fifty. This is in no way intended to be an insult to flight instructors.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:32 pm

I've been hearing about the changes that are "soon" going to happen to the ATPL for at least 20 years now.

Sorta like running away from a glacier.

heeypilot · Post by **heeypilot** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:21 pm

Doc wrote:This is in no way intended to be an insult to flight instructors.

i'm all about insulting instructors.. i think it's ridiculous that their time counts as PIC. if instructing time counts as PIC so should my years spent sucking frozen farts out of airplane cushions.

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:37 pm

heeypilot wrote:
Doc wrote:This is in no way intended to be an insult to flight instructors.
i'm all about insulting instructors.. i think it's ridiculous that their time counts as PIC. if instructing time counts as PIC so should my years spent sucking frozen farts out of airplane cushions.

Your an Idiot

TC Guy · Post by **TC Guy** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:04 pm

heeypilot wrote: i'm all about insulting instructors.. i think it's ridiculous that their time counts as PIC. if instructing time counts as PIC so should my years spent sucking frozen farts out of airplane cushions.

Some of the best pilots I have met are or have been instructors.

In fact, I would hazard a guess that a large number of the successful training pilots in the larger airlines are former Flight Instructors. I know several.

Back to the question.

Hedley wrote:I've been hearing about the changes that are "soon" going to happen to the ATPL for at least 20 years now.

Sorta like running away from a glacier.

I don't always agree with Hedley, but he does share my view on this subject. As far as I am aware (and they don't tell me everything, I am just a pion) they have been discussing changes in the ATPL requirements for years. The closest they have come is the "Integrated ATPL Course" that is an extension of the "Integrated Commercial Course". I don't remember all the details. I will become more interested when I need to be.

They DID change the Helicopter ATPL requirements a number of years back to reflect a requirement for a two-crew flight test:

CARS 421.35 wrote:(5) Skill

Within the 12 months preceding the date of application for the licence, an applicant shall demonstrate in flight and on the ground familiarity with and the ability to perform, as pilot-in-command of a helicopter required to be operated with a co-pilot, both normal and emergency procedures and manoeuvres appropriate to the privileges of an Airline Transport Pilot Licence - Helicopter."

Linkage: http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#421_35

So- don't think it isn't coming. Just... not in the immediate future.

-Guy

PS:

trey kule wrote:PM TC Guy and ask him to post his thoughts on this.

Welcome back, trey... hope the season was good.

heeypilot · Post by **heeypilot** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:08 pm

Spokes wrote:
heeypilot wrote:
Doc wrote:This is in no way intended to be an insult to flight instructors.
i'm all about insulting instructors.. i think it's ridiculous that their time counts as PIC. if instructing time counts as PIC so should my years spent sucking frozen farts out of airplane cushions.
Your an Idiot

you're an instuctor.

testpilot · Post by **testpilot** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:29 pm

Your brain is frozen from so many years of sucking old farts.

heeypilot · Post by **heeypilot** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:11 pm

testpilot wrote:Your brain is frozen from so many years of sucking old farts.

oh good. just what we need. another instructor. go help someone recover from a stall.

fruz · Post by **fruz** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:25 pm

heeypilot wrote:
testpilot wrote:Your brain is frozen from so many years of sucking old farts.
oh good. just what we need. another instructor. go help someone recover from a stall.

heeypilot,

do you have a license? If so, how did you get it?

heavymetal · Post by **heavymetal** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:37 pm

Spokes wrote:
heeypilot wrote:
Doc wrote:This is in no way intended to be an insult to flight instructors.
i'm all about insulting instructors.. i think it's ridiculous that their time counts as PIC. if instructing time counts as PIC so should my years spent sucking frozen farts out of airplane cushions.
Your an Idiot

Looks like you could use some grammar gorillas too. http://www.funbrain.com/grammar/index.html

Level six is a doozey. If you get stuck ask motox415 he did it last week.

. . · Post by **. .** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:13 pm

Spokes wrote:
Your an Idiot

classic. it couldn't be more perfect.

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:40 pm

heeypilot wrote:
Spokes wrote:
heeypilot wrote: i'm all about insulting instructors.. i think it's ridiculous that their time counts as PIC. if instructing time counts as PIC so should my years spent sucking frozen farts out of airplane cushions.
Your an Idiot
you're an instuctor.

Apology accepted.

heeypilot · Post by **heeypilot** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:07 am

Spokes wrote:
heeypilot wrote:
Spokes wrote: Your an Idiot
you're an instuctor.
Apology accepted.

your mother.

cedar tree · Post by **cedar tree** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:04 pm

Impressive conversation. Sometimes I wonder why I bother viewing these posts. Guess I was interested in the ATPL license changes.

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:15 pm

I miss the elementary school playground so this is a pretty good substitute.

Flying Nutcracker · Post by **Flying Nutcracker** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:20 pm

"frozen fart" made me giggle

this atpl thing in line with what we're seeing in Europe and the JAR

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:14 pm

cedar tree wrote:Impressive conversation. Sometimes I wonder why I bother viewing these posts. Guess I was interested in the ATPL license changes.

Your right of course. Sorry. Some times it is easy to get drawn into this kind of nonsense when you really shouldn't.