Hadji Ramjet wrote:Actually Rebel, we kicked the British out of my country in 1947. Or maybe they just left, depends on perspective.
So by your witty retort, I take it you really have no information, sources, data et al to back up your position?
I have to disagree with EK having better service, at least in my limited experience BA consistently provided a better product. Small sample though.
No I can't be bothered trying to educate you whatever…
It seems to me Rebel, that it doesn't matter wether you are arguing with the WS folks, the AC folks or the public, you always have the same attitude; that no one else has a clue, and that you are always right. Perhaps you had better listen to what everyone else has to say for once and not just keep on repeating what you want to hear. IMHO, but hey, it is a free world and I am sure you will have a nice retort for me as well.
Hadji - good to see you are back in one piece. Does he know who you work for?
wallypilot wrote:
As for the mid-east LHR routes, Emirates service is better. the reason that BA has higher loads (IMHO) is that the tickets are almost always cheaper, and the service is still good. not as good as emirates, but good.
my $.02.
It might have something to do with one flight per day vs. two. Half the capacity, twice the load factor. (assuming the same number of passengers)
[quote="Clint23matter wether you are arguing with the WS folks, the AC folks or the public, you always have the same attitude; that no one else has a clue, and that you are always right. Perhaps you had better listen to what everyone else has to say for once and not just keep on repeating what you want to hear. IMHO, but hey, it is a free world and I am sure you will have a nice retort for me as well.
Hadji - good to see you are back in one piece. Does he know who you work for? [/quote]
No doubt he works for WJ trying to put a spin on a possible hookup with BA...His aggressive know it all attitude certainly reminds me of the WJ crowd. Oh I forgot WJ invented aviation how silly of me to forget.
AC getting the 777 and 787 must really bug the WJ crowd, grow up kids you made your choice now live with it..
Clint, if there was any doubt that Rebel is talking out of his butt, his last post removed it.
BTW, I have Dos Gringos "2", will drop a copy in your mailslot on or around the 9th. The rotary-wing one.
Hey, what's this about an Albatross?
Wallypilot, I looked at a dozen flights at random from various sandbox points to LHR, all the prices were quite close with nine of the twelve being cheaper on EK. So I don't think price is the main factor, particularly since this concerns the premium product where price sensitivity doesn't seem to matter. You could always save a bit if you didn't want to be taken to the aircraft in a 7-series BMW instead of the usual shuttlebus.
Tripleseven, I don't really understand your point, again this concerns the premium product and I've never seen anyone break loadfactors out that way. I imagine BA would love to do more flights to the Arabian Gulf, Bahrain for example won't allow anymore.
The trend seems clear though, if you're not on a Royal Flight or personal aircraft, first choice seems to be BA. It CAN'T be loyalty or national pride, so what does that leave besides service?
Hadji Ramjet wrote:Clint, if there was any doubt that Rebel is talking out of his butt, his last post removed it.
BTW, I have Dos Gringos "2", will drop a copy in your mailslot on or around the 9th. The rotary-wing one.
Hey, what's this about an Albatross?
Yes!! We got one to do flight check stuff in it LNAV only right now, but LPV and ILS sometime in the new year. I will bring some pics and vids next time. Just like the Tout, only better. I'm not in until the end of the month.
Front. wrote:will the tripple sevens have those jazzy 16 channel tv's infront of each seat?
The look will be exactly like the refits that are going on with the 320 and 767 fleets at the present time. I've tried it looks quite awesome with a very futuristic looking first class section on the 767’s. So far the folks that pay the bills love it and they are the ones that count.
No doubt he works for WJ trying to put a spin on a possible hookup with BA...His aggressive know it all attitude certainly reminds me of the WJ crowd. Oh I forgot WJ invented aviation how silly of me to forget.
AC getting the 777 and 787 must really bug the WJ crowd, grow up kids you made your choice now live with it..
The fact that WS is still around more than 10 years after they started and is operating with the highest margins of any North American airline must really bug you.. grow up "kid", you made your choice.
[quote="CanadaEH The fact that WS is still around more than 10 years after they started and is operating with the highest margins of any North American airline must really bug you.. grow up "kid", you made your choice.[/quote]
I wondered how long before the other WJ losers would show up. Hey AC has been in business for a much longer period then ten years and we didn’t have to commit corporate espionage to do it..
Lets not forget that non-compliance maintenance escapade that nearly shut WJ down..
I've seen airlines come and go and WJ is no exception, funny thing though AC is still here...
Rebel wrote:[quote="CanadaEH The fact that WS is still around more than 10 years after they started and is operating with the highest margins of any North American airline must really bug you.. grow up "kid", you made your choice.
I wondered how long before the other WJ losers would show up. Hey AC has been in business for a much longer period then ten years and we didn’t have to commit corporate espionage to do it..
Lets not forget that non-compliance maintenance escapade that nearly shut WJ down..
I've seen airlines come and go and WJ is no exception, funny thing though AC is still here...[/quote]
Yup, after screwing 3-4 billion out of creditors etc. and they still are not making any money. Oh well some things never change.
CanadaEH wrote:
The fact that WS is still around more than 10 years after they started and is operating with the highest margins of any North American airline must really bug you.. grow up "kid", you made your choice.
Nothing against WJ but they don't have the highest margins. Jazz does. Jazz made $117M on $1Billion in revenue. WJA made $87M on $1.7B. Either way it is good for all of us.
I'll bet that the next AC course see's a left seat before the next Westjet course does!!!!!(for sure on the EMB and maybe even on the 320) And it will only slow down at WestJet. No retirements, young pilots, and a limited market (canada has only 30 million people)
A bit late for that statement. All this because you never can look at your own posts Rebel. I appreciate most every ones point of view, even if I do not agree with what they are saying. For some reason you have a huge chip on your shoulder when it comes to anyone else's point of view. If you only knew what you were talking about half the time and shut your trap and listened to a dissenting pov, you might just learn something once in a while. What is that old aviation saying?...."Learn from the mistakes of others, because you will never live to learn them all yourself" Have a great day and good luck on your upgrade.......whenever that may come... if you make it. The AC upgrade process can be quite difficult.
Nothing against WJ but they don't have the highest margins. Jazz does. Jazz made $117M on $1Billion in revenue. WJA made $87M on $1.7B. Either way it is good for all of us.
I was curious to see if you were correct or not so I got some clarifications on another forum. This was the response, borrowed from 'thebean':
Someone doesn't understand the concept of operating margin......
For the six months ended June 30th 2006, Jazz was allocated $660,090,000 in revenue from its sole customer, Air Canada. As you know, like other regionals, Jazz does not sell to the public.
It showed operating expenses of $588,266,000.
That indicates an operating profit of $71,824,000 for the period and results in an operating margin of $71.8m / $660.1m or 10.9%.
In the same period, WJA's operating margin was $97.2m / $812.9m or 11.95%
WJA's op margins are higher, and a point that may be forgotten is that WJ's revenues are quite a bit higher than Jazz's.
Jazz has an average casm of 27.5 cents, WJA's was 12.7 cents.
For the record, if you look at AC's October 2006 prospectus, Air Canada's mainline operating margin in the first 6 months of 2006 was $61m / $4.935b, or about 1.25%, with casm of 15.7 cents.
It's on page 17 of the 262 page Preliminary Prospectus dated October 16 2006.
I can't find where Air Canada have listed their average stage length, it may be in the document but who wants to go thru 262 pages to find it. I don't. WJA's ASL was 827 miles.
Good post. I just got my numbers from the MSN Money service. I'd have to look closer for a more accurate picture. Either way. 10% margins in this business is unheard of so both airlines are in really good shape (for now).
Wow I didn’t realize the WJ standards were so low. Heavens don’t worry about me I've been an AC wide body Captain for longer then you've been flying.
Do you have any idea how pathetic you sound?
You back again? How many times do you have to be insulted before you learn to stay away? I'm surprised that the WJ crowd hasn’t tried to hack into the Portal yet or have they? At least get the quote right..
On a brighter note employees can now see the list of completed extreme makeover aircraft as well as current ones with their projected due dates on the Portal under “My work”..
You back again? How many times do you have to be insulted before you learn to stay away? I'm surprised that the WJ crowd hasn’t tried to hack into the Portal yet or have they? At least get the quote right..
On a brighter note employees can now see the list of completed extreme makeover aircraft as well as current ones with their projected due dates on the Portal under “My work”..
Nice. Pretend that your "insults" (what insults?) give me reason to "stay away", then bring up the settled hacking lawsuit (which is always great for someone grasping at straws), and then go off on a tangent that is more or less filler..
What's next? Are you going to make another pompous, arrogant, conceited statement about who I am and what I do? Naaah, you'd never do that!
The fact that WS is still around more than 10 years after they started and is operating with the highest margins of any North American airline must really bug you.. grow up "kid", you made your choice.
