Saddam verdict in.

[Driving Rain]

For some reason Slobodams trial went on a bit longer than Saddams, I also do not recall if he Sloby was convicted he would have faced the death sentance. I could be wrong, please correct me if I am.

Slobo past away in the Hague while on trial for genocide. His trail had been delayed several time owing to his poor health (heart condition). He most certainly would not have received the death penalty if convicted but was looking at life in prison because the UN was prosecuting him.
From my recollections Slobo handled himself very well in court . He was going to be a tough nut to convict. I think everyone breathed a big sigh of relief when he met his maker.

Rumours still abound that the UN didn't offer him proper health care while he was incarcerated. Many think this hastened his demise. Either way no big loss for human kind.

[beechy]

Wells, i think i am the one you are all saying is defending ol' saddam......even though i qualified what i said with i am not defending him in anyway......

I guess some of you can't read and that ok. I merely stated that like many trials against blacks and retarded people in the states, saddam's trial was more an expose on his tactics ect.... Hardly worth the millions spent. He probably would have prefered to be shot during the what i am sure was a legal arrest. At least he would have died a soldier.

Did he do horrid things, yes. Does he deserve to be killed, sure. Was it worth the american lives, the civilian iraqies lives and all the destruction, yet to be seen.

I merely find it humorous how we, the west, are trying to impart our way of life, a better option, upon these people and then we through a shit show like that trial in. If were there i would be confused about what is better. Once Haliburton breaks ground on the first Mc Donald's in the area i am sure they will come around.

On a final note or two, isn't funny that we are bringing freedom to a people who still barely recognize that women are human beings? Also there is a very fine line between a Freedom fighter and a terrorist.


Thanks Bob.

[shimmydampner]

Say what you want about Saddam, he was a real prick, but he's the only dude able to keep a lid on the insanity over there. They should just ship him back to Iraq, get the @#$! out that day and let the middle east just destroy itself. Why delay the inevitable? Anyone who thinks there's a goddam thing we or anyone else can do to sort out the middle east is deluded. Instead of trying in vain to fix their problems for them (which we'll never understand anyway) just put our energy and resources into protecting ourselves while we just shake our heads in disbelief, let them be, and let them wipe each other out. Sounds cold, but there's nothing we can do.

[bob sacamano]

Wells, i think i am the one you are all saying is defending ol' saddam......even though i qualified what i said with i am not defending him in anyway......

I guess some of you can't read and that ok. I merely stated that like many trials against blacks and retarded people in the states, saddam's trial was more an expose on his tactics ect.... Hardly worth the millions spent. He probably would have prefered to be shot during the what i am sure was a legal arrest. At least he would have died a soldier.

Did he do horrid things, yes. Does he deserve to be killed, sure. Was it worth the american lives, the civilian iraqies lives and all the destruction, yet to be seen.

I merely find it humorous how we, the west, are trying to impart our way of life, a better option, upon these people and then we through a shit show like that trial in. If were there i would be confused about what is better. Once Haliburton breaks ground on the first Mc Donald's in the area i am sure they will come around.

On a final note or two, isn't funny that we are bringing freedom to a people who still barely recognize that women are human beings? Also there is a very fine line between a Freedom fighter and a terrorist.


Thanks Bob.

Good view on things, however Iraq isn't saudi arabia, america's #1 friend. Women in Iraq have rights like anyone else, and it's actually a very modern place with modern mentality. Now if you go out of the cities, obvously you'll find backward thinking, not sure if it would be as bad as let's say the entire state of kentucky or saskatchewan, but it's a given, once you get into the tribes and elders, they obviously have their own way of living.

Now saudi arabia for example, which is the bush's family's second home, and where all of their gay lovers reside, has no woman's rights, yet, and I stress the yet, bush doesn't care that there is no democracy there.

So you can see where the double standards are, and how bush can only fool retarted people into believing that his cause is just.

[niss]

Now saudi arabia for example, which is the bush's family's second home, and where all of their gay lovers reside, has no woman's rights, yet, and I stress the yet, bush doesn't care that there is no democracy there.

Thats actually a good point that is given very little attention, the campain to end terror, and spread democrocy ends when the Bush adminsitration has a vested interest in that particular country.

[bob sacamano]

90% of the hijakers were from saudi arabia, bin ladin is saudi, etc.

However, the bush and the saud family are in business for a looong time, so fo shizzle we won't be seeing them trying to change that backward nation anytime soon.

p.s. for the record, saddam was a Christian who later converted to islam in order to be able to make it through the ranks. His second hand man, Tariq Aziz (white hair, cigar, and big thick glasses), who's in u.s. custody, is also a Christian. Just a side note.

p.p.s. guess who got the keys to detroit city?

the soon to be dust fella in the picture below.

[ettw]

Name me a single president or prime minister who has never had an innocent person die because of a decision that was made.

Bush is in a tough spot. If he stays many americans will die. If he leaves then many americans will have died for nothing.

We're not talking about "an innocent person". We're talking about, depending on the source, between 18000 and 43000 civilians that have died in Iraq since the invasion. Bush started the invasion so their blood is on his hands.

I will grant you the point about staying or going but I really think this is going the way of Vietnam with respect to the objective being attainable. Cut your losses and come home, now.

And for sure you won't see the Americans going into Saudi Arabia any time soon regardless of what sort of governing structure exists there. Bush Sr. wouldn't allow it.

[Dust Devil]

veitnam was lost because the people lost their resolve for the war because people don't have the stomach for it anymore. ww2 would have been lost as well if cnn were in charge of reporting what went on. The media is the number one enemy of the military and with the internet it has only gotten worse.

[Icebound]

veitnam was lost because the people lost their resolve for the war because people don't have the stomach for it anymore. ww2 would have been lost as well if cnn were in charge of reporting what went on. The media is the number one enemy of the military and with the internet it has only gotten worse.

..the "people lost their resolve for the war" in Viet Nam... because somebody finally realized that they were fighting and dying for nothing. Vietnam fell, and Japan continued to make electronics and China continued to rattle our chain and India continued to argue with Pakistan and Australia continued to drink beer, and American toilets continued to flush, and the world did not implode, nor did "communism" sweep over it like some flood from a broken dam.

It was a war for nothing, started on a pretense.

WW2 was a war for something. If you had today's media, it may have flushed out Hitler's agenda well before it was fully understood. So it may actually have been a friend of the military.

But in general, you are probably right. Viet Nam dampened peoples resolve for war, because people saw that those who send their kids into wars, lie and decieve and fight wars for nothing. They distrust them, and with good reason. And good media should reflect the people's distrust.

If you can find any... good media, that is.

Like Viet Nam, Iraq was started on lies, intentional or not, and then re-justified midstream with the "Saddam was bad" line. WMD had a possible effect on American comfort and even maybe on Australian beer. That would have been a war for something.

Saddam being "bad" had nothing to do with American comfort or Australian beer. Consequently, as far as the people are concerned, Iraq, like Viet Nam, means fighting and dying for nothing, and, like Viet Nam, was started on petense. Small wonder that they "lost their resolve".

Today, there is some small evidence that Afghanistan is still a war for something. So long as that is true, resolve will not be a problem.



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[beechy]

Vietnam was lost because the US had no idea who they were fighting, nor why they were fighting them.....what did we have to fear from communism??? The problem now is that thier is no clear enemy.....mainly because the US invents them.........Call it a conspiracy thoery, i don't care....

Another interesting point is that the genocide saddam is being hung for comitting was perpetrated with US support, Rumsfeld shaking his hand... . They supplied the weapons.....much like they did to Osama to fight the russians......the US is so f**ked that even if they wanted to get unf**Ked it would be close to impossible at this point

the last laugh will be when the first world becomes the third at the hand of the tyrant republicans......

[Dust Devil]

the last laugh will be when the first world becomes the third at the hand of the tyrant republicans......

your so dramatic

[beechy]

possibly....

maybe you're still riding the high of sask. beating the stamps so i just seem dramatic

[Dust Devil]

possibly....

maybe you're still riding the high of sask. beating the stamps so i just seem dramatic

@#$! that was an awsome game!

BC your next bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[critical engine]

First off.... Good Fuckin Luck In BC! You Know It, Your Getting Your Asses Kicked.

Second, that wasn't SH on trial. It had to be one of his doubles. Looks too fat. The real SH is probaly on some yacht in the Med somewhere.

[bob sacamano]

Second, that wasn't SH on trial. It had to be one of his doubles. Looks too fat. The real SH is probaly on some yacht in the Med somewhere.

Just what I was thinking. Dude's screwing some eastern european chick right now as we speak. Of course the americans taught him something, he's using his cigar.

[Dust Devil]

First off.... Good Fuckin Luck In BC! You Know It, Your Getting Your Asses Kicked.

Phttttt. BC hasn't been able to do it yet. They are scared and I love it.

[Siddley Hawker]

WW2 was a war for something. If you had today's media, it may have flushed out Hitler's agenda well before it was fully understood. So it may actually have been a friend of the military.

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A couple of years ago, someone posted that if we had had today's media and political ideology at the beginning of WWII, Canadian soldiers would have been home in two years. As losers.

[beechy]

Anything to back that up or is it just a random statement.

See WW2 was a completely different situation. Germany invaded north americans home land, in the name of world domination. Lets face it had no one done anything they might very well be in control of alot of the world today. WW2 was fought over not allowing one country to just up and decided to take over the world. It was fought for religous freedom, the freedom for cultures to coexist.

The states are starting wars based on thier vested interests in the region. Iraq was friend before it was their foe. Same with afganistan. These are more political wars being fought over oil and saving face. It is disgusting, that is why not all canadians and europeans are signing up to fight. If hitler were to invade france right now people would go and fight.

[Icebound]

A couple of years ago, someone posted that if we had had today's media and political ideology at the beginning of WWII, Canadian soldiers would have been home in two years. As losers.

I am not a great fan of the press in general, especially electronic press, but these days, biases are much easier to discover and see through. And even the most blatant faux news occasionally has a piece with some truth behind it.

So I am not too fearful of anti-war media hijacking the peoples resolve for a just war. Providing the press remains "free and independant". The bigger fear is that enitites posing as "press" becomes employees. Whether of the government, the military, the corporations, the labour unions, or indeed any vested-interest group.

That constitudes fraud, IMHO.

And in spite of all the CBC-bashing that goes on in this country, it is interesting that Canadians can operate a partially-government-funded press that does seem to operate independantly, and is one of the first to investigate, criticize, and parody our own governments' flaws and foibles.... while ostensibly "free-enterprise" press in some other countries gives the appearance of a government cheer-leader.



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[Siddley Hawker]

That quote was from another poster, I forget whom, and it was a remark made by his - the poster's - father, himself a WWII vet. If I remember correctly, it was in the context of the number of casualities we were taking in Afghanistan, and it was being pointed out that in WWII, in one battle around Ortona, Canada had suffered 1500 casualities in one week.

So I'm not too fearful of the anti-war media hijacking the peoples resolve for a just war.

Well I daresay that's true, but I think what the Canadian Armed Forces are doing in Afghanistan right now is just, however outside the National Post you'd be hard pressed to find any of the media who are willing to agree. Then there are the Dippers who want to bring the troops home. Via Darfur, of course.

As far as the CBC goes, I firmly believe its left wing bias. That is understandable I suppose, when one considers that for 65 of the last 80 years or so this country has been governed from the left. In that regard, the CBC is only giving its' audience what it thinks it wants. I do wish though, that for every Robert Fisk they asked to comment on air, they would also ask a Christopher Hitchens or a Theodore Dalrymple.

Beechy in May 1940, at the time of Dunkerque, there were those in the British Government, notably Lord Halifax and Neville Chamberlin, that were urging Churchill to accept Hitler's peace offer. The last time there was fighting in Europe was in the 1990's when the former Yugoslavia split into all its parts. Europe declined to do anything itself and called in the UN who called in NATO.