missed approach while doing a circling
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missed approach while doing a circling
while doing a type ride, was required to do a overshoot/miss approach while in the circling. From my postion I was able to do a climbing right turn of about 60 degrees and fly the missed approach as published for approach runway . On the debrief, was advised I should of turned left and turned 270 degrees to fly over the airport and then gone to the missed approach. Any comment or thoughts. I did pass the type ride.
It's kind of a pilot discretion thing. Remember, that check guys are pilots too, and at some point in your career, you will likely have more experience than the check guy. As long as you can justify your decision, and it was made with common sense in the interest of safety you're alright. At the airline level, most ACP-A's will just make a suggestion and you discuss different ways of doing things-I find that much more productive than "you did this wrong".
Here is a situation that we recently experienced during a check flight
Lets suppose the runway orientation is 09/27. No circling to the North.
The approach is to runway 27 and the crew decides to circle on the south side for 09 (due to prevailing winds).
Lo and behold the crew is instructed to conduct a missed approach off 09. The missed approach sequence for 27 calls for a straight out climb to 5000 feet to the ABC VOR. Interestingly, there is a hill to the south that is just beyond the circling distance category for this aircraft. The hill tops out at 3500 feet. Also, the runway departure procedure (part of the Takeoff Minima) for 09 calls for a straight out climb to 4200 feet before a right climbing turn to 5000 feet direct to the ABC VOR. After the crew initiates the missed approach off 09, they make a climbing right turn and barely clear the hill while turning towards the ABC VOR.
Your thoughts folks...would you have done it differently? Would you have followed the departure procedure for 09 (even though it is not part of the missed approach procedure for 27 and requires the crew to flip a few more pages....situational awareness!). Or would it have been better for the crew to keep their turn radius tight to stay within the circling "protected" area while climbing. To top this off, there is no approach for 09.
Cheers
Lets suppose the runway orientation is 09/27. No circling to the North.
The approach is to runway 27 and the crew decides to circle on the south side for 09 (due to prevailing winds).
Lo and behold the crew is instructed to conduct a missed approach off 09. The missed approach sequence for 27 calls for a straight out climb to 5000 feet to the ABC VOR. Interestingly, there is a hill to the south that is just beyond the circling distance category for this aircraft. The hill tops out at 3500 feet. Also, the runway departure procedure (part of the Takeoff Minima) for 09 calls for a straight out climb to 4200 feet before a right climbing turn to 5000 feet direct to the ABC VOR. After the crew initiates the missed approach off 09, they make a climbing right turn and barely clear the hill while turning towards the ABC VOR.
Your thoughts folks...would you have done it differently? Would you have followed the departure procedure for 09 (even though it is not part of the missed approach procedure for 27 and requires the crew to flip a few more pages....situational awareness!). Or would it have been better for the crew to keep their turn radius tight to stay within the circling "protected" area while climbing. To top this off, there is no approach for 09.
Cheers
Last edited by like2fly on Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:10 am, edited 3 times in total.
Here is a section from the A.I.M. with regards to circling missed approaches...
9.25 Missed Approach Procedure While Visually Manœuvring in the Vicinity of the Aerodrome
The pilot may have to conduct a missed approach after starting visual manœuvres. There are no standard procedures in this situation. Thus, unless the pilot is familiar with the terrain, it is recommended that:
(a) a climb be initiated;
(b) the aircraft be turned towards the centre of the aerodrome; and
(c) the aircraft be established, as closely as possible, in the missed approach procedure published for the instrument approach procedure just completed.
With the runway in sight at circling the MDA, the pilot should execute the missed approach if there is any doubt that the ceiling and visibility are inadequate for manœuvring safely to the point of touchdown.
9.25 Missed Approach Procedure While Visually Manœuvring in the Vicinity of the Aerodrome
The pilot may have to conduct a missed approach after starting visual manœuvres. There are no standard procedures in this situation. Thus, unless the pilot is familiar with the terrain, it is recommended that:
(a) a climb be initiated;
(b) the aircraft be turned towards the centre of the aerodrome; and
(c) the aircraft be established, as closely as possible, in the missed approach procedure published for the instrument approach procedure just completed.
With the runway in sight at circling the MDA, the pilot should execute the missed approach if there is any doubt that the ceiling and visibility are inadequate for manœuvring safely to the point of touchdown.
While a missed approach is best initiated from the missed approach point, if that point is lost during a circling approach, due to returning to IMC flight conditions (the only reason I can see for a full "missed") it is impossible to initiate said missed from that point, the missed approached point becomes the point at which VMC is lost. You don't have much of a choice than to proceed from this point....everybody mixed up enough yet?
C-GPFG...how would you return to the centre of the airport if you've gone IMC? At what altitude? Cant be done.
Sovereign....As I read it, you were already in a right turn? If so, WHY would anyone advocate a 270 degree turn in the OTHER direction after entering IMC conditions from VMC conditions? Somebody is just begging for spacial disorientation? And, again, how would you know you were over the airport? You're IMC, remember...and circling limits are protected within your aircraft category. So, a missed approach from a circling approach(anywhere on that approach) should be in "safe" air...assuming you climb and proceed as published.
C-GPFG...how would you return to the centre of the airport if you've gone IMC? At what altitude? Cant be done.
Sovereign....As I read it, you were already in a right turn? If so, WHY would anyone advocate a 270 degree turn in the OTHER direction after entering IMC conditions from VMC conditions? Somebody is just begging for spacial disorientation? And, again, how would you know you were over the airport? You're IMC, remember...and circling limits are protected within your aircraft category. So, a missed approach from a circling approach(anywhere on that approach) should be in "safe" air...assuming you climb and proceed as published.
Biggest reason to turn towards the center of the airport is because of lower terrain, known obstacles and it puts you closer to the missed approach point. Any procdure that is safe, predictable and does not violate obstacle clearance criteria is fine by me but that usually requires a turn toward the center of the airport. Another gottcha that one should be aware of is a circle to land to a runway with a published missed approach procedure. It may be tempting but you must fly the miss for the procedure you just flew. A prime example, (a training/check ride thingee) is a CYEG (Edmonton International) ILS 02, circle to land Rwy 30. You do not fly the miss for 30, even though it is published and safe unless you specificaly get a clearance to do so. Except ATC will protect both procedure missed areas just in case.
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Oldtimer....is not the whole idea of a circling approach to turn towards the airport. And of course you would do the missed for the approach you were doing....the other had never crossed my mind......forget he said that, kids....booohissss.....bad thoughts! You miss the approach you shot!
missed approach while doing circling
thankyou all for your informed replies, I enjoyed the discussion, in practice I won't do a circle unless under vfr conditions,at one time I did many moons ago in a far away land called the arctic, but now I just don't see the need.
