A Job for ANY Desperate Flight Instructors (MontairAviation)

Montair · Post by **Montair** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:12 am

Date:08 November 2006
Position:Desperate and Miserable Flight Instructor
Company Name:Montair Aviation Inc.
Contact Person: Al Neufeld
Street Address:#140 4400 72 Street
City:Delta
State/Province:British Columbia
Country:Canada
Web address: http://www.Montair.com
Email address: al@montair.com
Phone number:604-946-6688
Fax number:604-946-6508
Send Resume By:Fax,Mail,Email,InPerson
Aircraft Types:C152, C172, PA34 200T, PA34 220T, BE10

Job Description:
Due to continued expansion of our chinese contract, and a hostile work environment, Montair Aviation is still in search of any desperate flight instructors as well as hopeless ground instructors to add to our stressed out team.

Instruction will be primarily towards Private and Commercial Licenses. We will also give you false hopes of Multi, IFR and turbine training for suitably gullible candidates who don’t mind being forced to be at the airport all day for free on days they don’t fly.

We offer a great medical and dental plan for those able to last more then 3 months. Our employees tend to use this service to help pay their psychiatrists for the post trauma counseling required after each shift. Earplugs are also provided through our medical plan for employees who have to talk to our beloved tyrannical leader. Who needs coffee to wake you up, when you can get a great verbal thrashing for free?

Upper management is run using Sun Tzu’s marketing strategies and Mao Tse-Tung’s human resource management policies. This results in a very profitable, tightly run, and tight lipped organization.

Please include references with resume.
Only those who know how an airplane turns will be contacted.

NO PHONE CALLS WILL BE ACCEPTED.

Salary:As per company pay scale
Closing Date:01 December 2006

Students:
If you are a potential student please come by and check out our school. We offer everything from PPL to Multi-IFR. We even have an airline program. At Montair we care about your money. We believe that flight training is all about the personal touch of your money. If you would like to give us all your money we will be more then happy to do everything we can to get your money. Flying is all about math and economics. Once we feel that we will not get much more money out of you we will quickly drop you like a squeegee kid forgetting to finish “washing” your windshield after you gave them some change.

If you have anymore questions, please feel free to reply to this thread.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:25 am

Only those who know how an airplane turns will be contacted.

It has always amazed me how few actually do - apparently it continues to amaze Al..............

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:55 am

LOL..Stick it to em' good.

Timone123 · Post by **Timone123** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:33 am

I gather they are a bunch of rectum rangers?

No shortage of the ranger types yet eh? Let's keep hoping for better times ahead!

skywire · Post by **skywire** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:16 pm

What is the 'turning an aircraft' issue all about? As in, use a tow bar to turn the a/c on the ground, not push down on the tail? Or is this a in flight thing, the theory of a turn etc? Anyhow, I've heard the boss can be a bit of a ... well unpleasent person, but seems the rest of the people are good and the wages decent, I'm surprised to see such a negative attack on them. Mind you, I only see them and hear from others how they are, haven't worked there myself.

Janod · Post by **Janod** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:08 am

Aaahahaha, this brings back memories...! It's actually scary how true that is. Did my own little stint at Montair back when, and have never tried so hard to ban a memory. The really sad part is that the firm actually has a lot of potential and could be a great place to work, but unfortunately the owner has perfected the art of not only destroying every bit of is employees motivation but also alienating most customers with his arrogance and stupidity (how many have ended up at Pro over the years?). My advice... stay away. The farer the better.

Montair · Post by **Montair** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:09 pm

Janod wrote: The really sad part is that the firm actually has a lot of potential and could be a great place to work, but unfortunately the owner has perfected the art of not only destroying every bit of is employees motivation but also alienating most customers with his arrogance and stupidity

Ah yea I forgot to mention his Shan U (not sure of spelling) interrogation techniques. Shan U believed that you could know a man your entire life; he could be your best friend, but you would not know that man until you held him over the edge of a volcano. The True man is seen under torture just before death. Shan U made it a hobby of his to get to “know” a great deal of people. He delighted to see how much pain he could inflict on his subjects before killing them. Al delights in being a self-righteous egotistical manipulative controlling prick. He lives to rule over people by making them feel miserably inferior, while knowing that he could destroy them at any moment. An example of this would be the famous Montair courtroom incident. Two students almost collided when arriving at an airport. One was crossing over the field to join downwind, the other joining strait in down wind. Now technically both sides were not doing anything wrong, but also both sides should have been paying more attention looking for traffic. What happened next was a simulated courtroom with Al as Judge, Jury, and Executioner. Flights were all cancelled and everyone was obligated to watch as these students were completely humiliated and chastised in front of their peers. It had all the trappings of the grand inquisition, being in that room you could not help but feel sorry for the guys on trial. If he treats students like that, imagine how he treats staff

B-rad · Post by **B-rad** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:36 pm

Alright i can see your upset with the company. and this definatly isnt the first time ive heard things about Al. but comon, gimmie the juicy bits. what happened to you that he got under your skin so much?

i had the pleasure of going for an interview once upon a time. its kinda funny reading your posts becuase it does sum it up pretty well. how an airplane turns etc etc. i was considering this place to work but recived another offer i couldnt refuse and as i can see now turning down Manterror *Ahem* i mean Montair was the right move.

Dont let this guy the best of you. if your a self respected pilot your better then that. move on my lad. and if you need a job instructing, P.M. me

i can assure you i dont use the Shan U technique, its more of a Pam Anderson one.. where i nestle you in my bosom!

Front. · Post by **Front.** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:38 am

i left montair, and then my instructor placed a rumor behind my back saying something in relevance to my financial position and how that has made me spoiled and cocky; however i should say that most people at montair are nice people, heck, i didn't even have problem with Al. He seemed to be the nicer one around hehe, but i had a problem with my instructor.

He made a couple students quit the school, not change instructors, but quit the school, me included. His attitude wasn't simply right

Now why i add to this rage is because it defines how my experience with montair really was and how they turn their back on you and start rumors behind me when i left them. Good thing I know so many people in the industry who have told me how the reputation is not very high that that i could care less what kind of image they portray and set behind me. Sorry Guys.

Interesting part being that I am a person who tries something out even if people say something bad about it, and i'd heard every kind of shit from people regarding montair, i still tried it out, but started to realize what people were saying.

I just think that they perhaps are there for the money.

I think that if you'd consult their students, especially the way their ATP's are treated, they would give you the same ful filling stories...

Oh well, not all schools are a charm, that's why there are different schools like PRO, CFC, PFC and all the other funky stuff in the lower mainland.

CX-2 · Post by **CX-2** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:05 am

hmm so far I'm not suprised by the replys to this thread.

If you guys want another Montair story.
A few months ago AL refused to sign off on a student’s commercial because the night B4 he left, some other students came into his apt & trashed it (they were upset that he was taking his wireless router with him). He refused to pay the damages claiming that the students who broke in & destroyed the place should pay…(& rightly so) However AL figured that he should pay & not the other students (who were students in AL's Chinese airline program & aparently more important then a single pilot who had just finished his airline program training)

Like Montair mentioned....Montair is all about $

However his only saving grace is that he does have some great instructors there....not sure why they work for him though...

PilotFlying · Post by **PilotFlying** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:32 pm

None of these rants have any justification. Without it, you all just look like dumb shits.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:34 pm

PilotFlying wrote:None of these rants have any justification. Without it, you all just look like dumb shits.

lol I'm not so sure...seems that these people have first person experience & are just warning others of their experiences (for the most part)...& also having been at Montair I can't say I can say that anyone is making anything up either...they seem quite plausable everything considered.

I will not defend The owner...BUT I will defend most of the instructors there. Despite his faults AL has managed to get some realy good instructors (& PilotFlying if you are who I think you are, then your also on that list) However there are some instructors at Montair that are not all that good; just like at any other school. I would also say that Montair is a very stressful place to work at & that stress does unfortunatly invevidably come out in the instructors.

Don't worry PF There is nothing wrong with showing a little pride about your former flight school or employer, just remember it wasn't always perfect.......and in this case far from perfect

PilotFlying · Post by **PilotFlying** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:06 pm

You're right. There's absolutely nothing wrong with standing up for a good outfit.

But let's keep this in a third person's perspective.

What is wrong here is flaming a good outfit as a whole simply out of bitterness towards one or two individuals.

Unprofessionalism at it's best, in a business of so-called professionals. This sounds like a kindergarten.

Front. · Post by **Front.** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:50 pm

PilotFlying wrote:None of these rants have any justification. Without it, you all just look like dumb shits.

Well I am not a dumb shit, the atmosphere to the major extent here is the same amongst most people i think...

got milk? · Post by **got milk?** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:19 pm

why don't we just rate montair on a scale from 1 - 10??

Front. · Post by **Front.** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:26 pm

I wouldn't rate them at all, i think keeping the score to my self reduces the amount of effort it takes to rant off another set of 10 people here...

got milk? · Post by **got milk?** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:44 pm

haha you're a regular detective

PilotFlying · Post by **PilotFlying** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:45 pm

Montair deserves everything, flams, bad mouthing, and all the other nifty stuff that makes them look bad.

And you deserve a cookie for graduating top of your kindergarten class.

Grow up.

Front. · Post by **Front.** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:58 pm

I base my opinion based on what i've been treated like over at montair, as well as the way my friends who've quit montair have been treated. And let me sum something up for ya, i've been and am being treated better.

Adios Amigos, i am out !

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:04 am

PilotFlying wrote:You're right. There's absolutely nothing wrong with standing up for a good outfit.

But let's keep this in a third person's perspective.

What is wrong here is flaming a good outfit as a whole simply out of bitterness towards one or two individuals.

Unprofessionalism at it's best, in a business of so-called professionals. This sounds like a kindergarten.

lol I think I'm going to bookmark this thread...it's getting kinda interesting....

I think your wrong..they are not flaming one person individualy, they are mainly flaming the owner who effects how the entire outfit is run...thus they are flaming the entire outfit

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:43 am

this is for front. WHA WHA WHAAAA somebody call the WHAAAAAAAAAAmbulance. you're not the first, nor the last to have a bad experience with a flight school. if you don't like the training, or the way you're being treated....LEAVE...or find another instructor!!!! stop bitching for christ sake. i bet you chose montair because you saw their flashy ads in wings magazine, or because they had the brightest sign on the field........or largest fleet. the trick is to find a good instructor...that's all you need. it doesn't have to be in a brand new 172 tricked out to the tits with two flat panels..it could be a beat up piece of shit 152...or even a taildragger if you had real balls. just find a good instructor and do us all a favour and shut up.

cheers

B-rad · Post by **B-rad** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:29 am

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:21 am

Isn't it interesting how Montair can be named, bashed and have shit thrown all over it here, but other flight schools are defended like the honour of a Sicillian virgin?

Say, for example, a certain FTU in a certain capital of a certain country...

I just love how some can be slagged but some cannot. Regardless of whether the stories are true.

Front. · Post by **Front.** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:35 am

av8tor_assrope wrote:this is for front. WHA WHA WHAAAA somebody call the WHAAAAAAAAAAmbulance. you're not the first, nor the last to have a bad experience with a flight school. if you don't like the training, or the way you're being treated....LEAVE...or find another instructor!!!! stop bitching for christ sake. i bet you chose montair because you saw their flashy ads in wings magazine, or because they had the brightest sign on the field........or largest fleet. the trick is to find a good instructor...that's all you need. it doesn't have to be in a brand new 172 tricked out to the tits with two flat panels..it could be a beat up piece of shit 152...or even a taildragger if you had real balls. just find a good instructor and do us all a favour and shut up.

cheers

I actually went there cause the instructor seemed nice at first, but then after a bit he became very unpleasant and i just stopped paying for their service. And you know what, if i don't have real balls i would not be flying older planes now. So much for that. I love the 152 by the way.

How does me shutting up make any difference to you?

thanks for your consideration though. Seems like you're one of the farts who're either there right now or have been working there and have kept the same shitty attitude.

Good Day

PilotFlying · Post by **PilotFlying** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:52 am

I thought you were done reading this post? Too bad. For us.

In response to Justwannafly:

I think your wrong..they are not flaming one person individualy, they are mainly flaming the owner who effects how the entire outfit is run...thus they are flaming the entire outfit.

The owner alone does not define a company. An organization is only as good as its employees.

I don't care who these people have had their beefs with. It is unprofessional, ignorant, and just plain stupid to slag the entire company as a result.