World's Hardest Instrument Approach Procedure (Video)

anyways · Post by **anyways** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:26 am

Okay, I don't post often, but this was worth seeing. Enjoy!

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... 67222314&q

Mclovin · Post by **Mclovin** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:03 pm

pretty sweet!

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:21 pm

Its an interesting approach for sure but I can't see it being the toughest in the world. Its a pretty wide valley, its a straight in landing and the missed approach end looks to have a fair bit of room. Doesn't look nearly as tricky as Castlegar or for that matter Terrace before they got their ILS. And before anyone jumps on me about it being the toughest for jets, PWA used to take their 737 into Caslegar on a regular basis.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:49 pm

They fly 757's into Narsarsuaq Greenland and that approach looks like childs play compared to Narsarsuaq.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:27 pm

I might have said it before, but on that Chinese approach, the FMS must get REEEEAAAALY nervous!

Remember them decimal places when programming, folks!

-istp

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:04 pm

I don't see what's so challenging about it.

I mean without the RNAV approach yea it would be quite difficult to plot an approach there, but in fact the pilots don't do a damn thing but let the A/P fly the route pre-planned by some engineers on the ground.

Sure it would suck in actual IFR with an instrument failure or something, but normal circumstances looks pretty mundane.

Freeride · Post by **Freeride** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:45 pm

The Elevator music didn't help. Play that in fast motion with a lil Angel of Death then you've got my attention. BC flyer took the words right out my mouth. 737 circling in the Gar that's got them beat for sure.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:06 pm

<yawn>

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:50 pm

bcflyer wrote:Its an interesting approach for sure but I can't see it being the toughest in the world. Its a pretty wide valley, its a straight in landing and the missed approach end looks to have a fair bit of room. Doesn't look nearly as tricky as Castlegar or for that matter Terrace before they got their ILS. And before anyone jumps on me about it being the toughest for jets, PWA used to take their 737 into Caslegar on a regular basis.

Ahhh the good old days!!! Castlegar at night in a Learjet is fun too!

337 · Post by **337** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:22 pm

av8rpei wrote:...but in fact the pilots don't do a damn thing but let the A/P fly the route pre-planned by some engineers on the ground...

Thanks for the insight from the peanut gallery. I'll bet you can't wait for an engineer to come up with a way to smash bags so that you don't need to do a damn thing at work.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:40 pm

Captain, I sense a disturbance in the communications of this species.

-istp

Schlem · Post by **Schlem** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:41 pm

Try Petropavlovsk, Russia on a windy and rainy night for a good challenge.

Bugz · Post by **Bugz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:57 am

This video is more interesting!

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... 4838642038

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:30 am

337 wrote:
av8rpei wrote:...but in fact the pilots don't do a damn thing but let the A/P fly the route pre-planned by some engineers on the ground...

Thanks for the insight from the peanut gallery. I'll bet you can't wait for an engineer to come up with a way to smash bags so that you don't need to do a damn thing at work.

Ok then, tell me how much hand flying the pilot does during a 97 mile RNP approach?

737daytripper · Post by **737daytripper** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:33 am

You wonder why people think you're an idiot?

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:08 am

anyways wrote:Okay, I don't post often, but this was worth seeing. Enjoy!

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... 67222314&q

The approach isn't noteworhty for the challenge to fly it, it's that it is in a location where ground based navigation is not possible. The folks at NAVERUS designed and implemented an RNP procedure to get in there which I supose is a technological feat.

Here's the webpage with the background info.

http://www.naverus.com/RNP_at_Linzhi.htm

337 · Post by **337** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:41 am

av8rpei wrote:
337 wrote:
av8rpei wrote:...but in fact the pilots don't do a damn thing but let the A/P fly the route pre-planned by some engineers on the ground...

Thanks for the insight from the peanut gallery. I'll bet you can't wait for an engineer to come up with a way to smash bags so that you don't need to do a damn thing at work.
Ok then, tell me how much hand flying the pilot does during a 97 mile RNP approach?

That's not the point. My point is that I find your previous comments (...pilots don't do a damn thing...) very insulting. As I am sure most of my colleagues do as well, especially considering your vast amount of Boeing and RNP experience you must have aquired on the ramp in PEI. If it is so easy, why don't you come up and try it some time? Oh wait, I'm sure you fly that type of approach regularly on the old MS flight sim.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:58 am

Gr8gazu, didn't realize you could land in Castlegar at night seeing as they have no lights or marker beacons on the hills.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:35 pm

I'm not saying Pilots don't do a damn thing all the time, I'm well aware of the level of training and experience big bus drivers require to do their job each and every day.

The point was this thread was about "Most challenging instrument approach in the world"

My point was that, to me, what the hell is so challenging about it from a pilots point of view? Can any pilot here tell me what is challenging about allowing an autopilot fly an RNAV routing, not that it can't be challenging at times, but what makes this approach more challenging than any other RNP approach, a legitimate question, the fact there are mountains there doesn't make the pilot have to work harder, it just means the A/P steers around more waypoints, while the pilots have to monitor the situational awareness, and yes their options if they have to abort the approach are minimal compared to most, but actually flying the approach would be more challenging? Even IF you hand flew it.

Get off your damn horses, I have nothing but respect for you pilots and the work you've all put in to do your jobs, but you're going to try and tell me an airline pilot these days has to do as much actual piloting as one even 30 years ago?

It's on A/P 90% of the flight, which is totally fine, the pilots job is to really be there to do the important things involved in flight, not hand-fly it during cruise.

Instead of defending the almighty Captains chair why not try and educate people,such as myself, not in your position about what your job is really about. It's real challenges.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:37 pm

737daytripper wrote:You wonder why people think you're an idiot?

Not really, I don't go around seeking approval of faceless names on a webforum.

So how about answering the question instead of trying to drum up a pissing contest.

737daytripper · Post by **737daytripper** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:35 pm

Sorry, what I should have said is: "Is it any wonder that people think you are an idiot?"

When you start dumping on a persons profession, such as you have, then these are the type of responses that you should expect and deserve.

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:51 pm

bcflyer wrote:Gr8gazu, didn't realize you could land in Castlegar at night seeing as they have no lights or marker beacons on the hills.

I was thinking the same thing, and then remembered that medevac can land whenever, wherever, 'in order to save a human life'. Although, I have to admit, it's been many years since I've known of a legal after hours operation at CYCG. Gr8gazu, care to elaborate? We're callin' you out, man!!

The RNP will be far more interesting into a place like CYCG than that shown, or into a place like Pemberton. I understand (rumor of the week) that Westjet is looking at RNP for Pemberton for the 2010 games. The funny thing is that because of bureaucracy, places like these that really stand to benefit from RNP will be among the last to see them. TC will want to see them in really challenging locations like East Armpit, Sask. before approving them into CYCG.

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