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Fline@9 wrote: Sorry, Not true.

FAR Part 61 CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND INSTRUCTORS
Subpart B--Aircraft Ratings and Pilot Authorizations

Sec. 61.75

Private pilot certificate issued on the basis of a foreign pilot license.

(a) General. A person who holds a current foreign pilot license issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation may apply for and be issued a private pilot certificate with the appropriate ratings when the application is based on the foreign pilot license that meets the requirements of this section.
(b) Certificate issued. A U.S. private pilot certificate that is issued under this section shall specify the person's foreign license number and country of issuance. A person who holds a current foreign pilot license issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation may be issued a private pilot certificate based on the foreign pilot license without any further showing of proficiency, provided the applicant:
(1) Meets the requirements of this section;
(2) Holds a foreign pilot license that--
(i) Is not under an order of revocation or suspension by the foreign country that issued the foreign pilot license; and
(ii) Does not contain an endorsement stating that the applicant has not met all of the standards of ICAO for that license;
(3) Does not currently hold a U.S. pilot certificate;
(4) Holds a current medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter or a current medical certificate issued by the country that issued the person's foreign pilot license; and
(5) Is able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's pilot certificate as are necessary for the safe operation of the aircraft.
(c) Aircraft ratings issued. Aircraft ratings listed on a person's foreign pilot license, in addition to any issued after testing under the provisions of this part, may be placed on that person's U.S. pilot certificate.
(d) Instrument ratings issued. A person who holds an instrument rating on the foreign pilot license issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation may be issued an instrument rating on a U.S. private pilot certificate provided:
(1) The person's foreign pilot license authorizes instrument privileges;
(2) Within 24 months preceding the month in which the person applies for the instrument rating, the person passes the appropriate knowledge test; and
(3) The person is able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's pilot certificate as are necessary for the safe operation of the aircraft.
(e) Operating privileges and limitations. A person who receives a U.S. private pilot certificate that has been issued under the provisions of this section:
(1) May act as a pilot of a civil aircraft of U.S. registry in accordance with the private pilot privileges authorized by this part;
(2) Is limited to the privileges placed on the certificate by the Administrator;
(3) Is subject to the limitations and restrictions on the person's U.S. certificate and foreign pilot license when exercising the privileges of that U.S. pilot certificate in an aircraft of U.S. registry operating within or outside the United States; and
(4) Shall not exercise the privileges of that U.S. private pilot certificate when the person's foreign pilot license has been revoked or suspended.
(f) Limitation on licenses used as the basis for a U.S. certificate. Only one foreign pilot license may be used as a basis for issuing a U.S. private pilot certificate. The foreign pilot license and medical certification used as a basis for issuing a U.S. private pilot certificate under this section must be in the English language or accompanied by an English language transcription that has been signed by an official or representative of the foreign aviation authority that issued the foreign pilot license.
(g) Limitation placed on a U.S. private pilot certificate. A U.S. private pilot certificate issued under this section is valid only when the holder has the foreign pilot license upon which the issuance of the U.S. private pilot certificate was based in the holder's personal possession or readily accessible in the aircraft.
Actually I think it has changed, if you read the TCCA Advisory Circular:

5.2 Private Pilot - Aeroplane - TCCA to FAA

1. In order for a TCCA private pilot licence holder to convert to an FAA private pilot certificate, the applicant must meet the following eligibility requirements:
1. Must be at least 17 years of age in order to be eligible to apply for an FAA private pilot certificate.
2. Must hold at least an FAA 3rd class medical certificate.
3. Must hold a TCCA Private Pilot Licence – Aeroplane Single Engine Land or Aeroplane Multiengine Land, as appropriate for the rating sought and not endorsed “issued on the basis…of another foreign licence.”
4. Must pass the FAA aeronautical knowledge test on air laws and communications.

And the FAA guide references the relevant areas.

Item 4 is the 40 question exam. So maybe the FAR section you quoted has yet to be changed to reflect the new agreement...
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Airleron you're right, I'm wrong. Bit it would apparently appear so only in Canada so far. The Rochester FSDO says no, still face value???? Nice to see that the more things change the more they stay the same. The 25 question differences exam for ATP reciprocity is nice. Would have been nice if they had instituted it 6 months ago (sob)
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For those thinking of going for this new option. If you don't have any luck with your nearby FSDO, keep looking. It has been my experiance that the problem of different interpretations in different districts doesn't just happen in Canada! Just check out a few FSDO's and you will be sure to get someone who knows something!
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There is a lot of confusion on this site.

As a result of the new measures, there are 2 options where previously there was only one.

Either option requires you to fill out a form for the FAA to verify the validity of your licence with the FAA. So there is no "just going down" to the FSDO anymore.

Option 1: With the validity of your Canadian licence verified, you can "go down" to the FSDO and get a Validation issued of your Canadian licence, with no other tests (as detailed in 61.75 and nostalgically cited by another forum member). This Validation is for Private Pilot privledges only regardless of the type of Canadian licence you hold, and requires you to maintain your Canadian licence valid (including medical certificate).

Option 2: With the validity of you Canadian licence verified, you can write the written air regulation exam, get an FAA medical, and get the same type US licence with most all of your Canadian ratings. This new licence will be independent, in that it does not rely on your Canadian licence's continueing validity. You need to keep it valid as stipulated by the Federal Aviation Regulations. This option is of interest to holders of Canadian Commercial and ATP licences who wish to exercise the privledge of operating an N-registered aircraft "for reward or hire."
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Can anybody tell me where I can get the FAA Advisory Circular AC 61-LIC from? I've tried the FAA web site but I can't find it.

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Well, I went to Google and typed in "FAA Advisory Circular 61-LIC" and netted the following on the first line:

http://www.faa.gov/education_research/t ... 8082-2.pdf

Thanks for doing the hard work by posting your question. :wink:
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Look on Google! What a Goooogletastic idea, why didn't I think of that? :roll:

Jack,

The document you linked to is (FAA-G-8082-2 PILOT KNOWLEDGE TEST GUIDE FOR CONVERTING TRANSPORT CANADA CIVIL AVIATION PILOT LICENSES TO FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION PILOT CERTIFICATES). Have a read of it and you'll notice in the last paragraph on page 6 there's a reference to Advisory Circular AC 61-LIC, which contains the requirements and procedures for converting TCCA airplane pilot licenses to FAA pilot certificates. This is the document I couldn't find on the FAA web site.

Keep on Googling Jack!

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The AC 61-LIC stumped me too, but I did find this circular which may be what they were talking about:

AC 61-135

I am filling out the verification paperwork and hope to write before the 90 days referenced under the referenced circular. If anyone else is a little further along with their conversions share your experiences thus far.

As for myself I'm referencing the ASA Test Prep for ATP 07 and only studying the regs section. I plan to write the exam in the morning in Seattle and visit the FSDO with my medical and paperwork in the afternoon.
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Sent in my letter of verification, and received a letter back 2 weeks later. Haven't written the exam yet for the commercial, but im anxious to hear what it's like
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So why all the interest in conversions? Everyone have US work authorization, extra $$ and time to burn or is this just an excercise in academia?
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Neither answer is accurate. The first thing you have to realize is that just because you have an FAA ticket does not mean you will get hired (thousands of furloughed airline guys still) nor does it mean that you will get a type rating even if you get hired. I have a few hundred hours on Lear 35's and 60's and never got typed because I was in the right seat. Even if you are considering going to the regionals you will not be typed until you go Captain.

I am not sure what you meant by overseas. The US is just another province of Canada... they just have more relaxed firearm regulations.

It is not a good time to try the US. Work authorization issues, surplus of qualified unemployed pilots, airline mergers with trickle down effects throughout the industry and a national economy that is doomed for a major depression (thanks G.W.B).... that's why I was curious as to why people were looking into FAA tickets.
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yycflyguy wrote:So why all the interest in conversions? Everyone have US work authorization, extra $$ and time to burn or is this just an excercise in academia?
Here's an accurate answer - 3 in fact:

1) so you can fly N-registered aircraft (that your Canadian company owns) in the USA

2) so you can ferry the N-registered aircraft (that your company has just bought) from the USA to Canada (to clarify, the FAA license is only necessary for the part of the trip that takes place in the US.)

3) so you can go to the USA and do a test flight of an N-registered aircraft that your company is interested in buying

Where I work, all of the above have come up several times in the past year or so.
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lots of N registered aircraft overseas as well.............
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chipmunk wrote:
yycflyguy wrote:So why all the interest in conversions? Everyone have US work authorization, extra $$ and time to burn or is this just an excercise in academia?
Here's an accurate answer - 3 in fact:

1) so you can fly N-registered aircraft (that your Canadian company owns) in the USA

2) so you can ferry the N-registered aircraft (that your company has just bought) from the USA to Canada (to clarify, the FAA license is only necessary for the part of the trip that takes place in the US.)

3) so you can go to the USA and do a test flight of an N-registered aircraft that your company is interested in buying

Where I work, all of the above have come up several times in the past year or so.
Interesting. Those are great reasons to do it.

I can't imagine there are too many Canadian companies that have strong footing with contracts in the US with N registered planes. Is it all contract work within the US or does it involve flights to Canada?
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yycflyguy wrote: I can't imagine there are too many Canadian companies that have strong footing with contracts in the US with N registered planes. Is it all contract work within the US or does it involve flights to Canada?
No, I doubt there are many companies that do that - part of the problem is that you need an office with a flight department/OC, I believe, (probably not quite that simple... not sure the exact ins & outs) in the US to which the aircraft is registered. I work for a large geophysical survey company, hence lots of offices in different parts of the world, and it just so happens our US office does not operate aircraft.

The #1 issue that I brought up in my previous post was a bit of a unique situation too - a new aircraft (N-registered) whose type wasn't yet certified in Canada was purchased, and there was the potential to have to do work with the aircraft before TC came through with the certification. It's a moot point now, but it was interesting going through the FARs and CARs and learning the little details of it all.

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yycflyguy wrote:So why all the interest in conversions? Everyone have US work authorization, extra $$ and time to burn or is this just an excercise in academia?
:shock: You, (I mean, you yycflyguy) of all people asking THAT as a question? I wish you could see the look on my face.
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yycflyguy wrote:
So why all the interest in conversions? Everyone have US work authorization, extra $$ and time to burn or is this just an excercise in academia?


You, (I mean, you yycflyguy) of all people asking THAT as a question? I wish you could see the look on my face.
Times have changed in the past 7 years and with it the ability and desire to work south. TN-1 and H1B visas have all been limited to the point where it doesn't make sense to even try a conversion process... even if all your ducks are in a row the job opportunities are truly lacklustre.

How's the sandbox treating you?
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