Israel Planning Nuke Strike on Iran

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Iran is exporting terror- they should not be surprised if it comes ' home'
But then liars and cheats always whine about their own tactics being used against them

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If the 'Natzi' crazies in iran attack Israel as they intend to or the US in the gulf they will fry from off shore subs.

Actually, most countries have difficulties operating submarines in the Persian Gulf - as it is quite shallow compared to what they were designed to operate in.

And I thought Israel didn't possess any weapons... That's been thier official stance for the last who-knows-how-many years. Bunch of liars and cheats if you ask me. A nuclear attack would kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians, and affect millions more through multiple generations. This barbarism will not solve anything - only increase the hatred of Israel and the United States.

[Dust Devil]

Ummm the head of a government does speak for it's country. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

He is the head of the 'government', yes, but the 'government' of Iran is not the top of the totem pole like it is most other places. Ahmadinejad is around #88 if you want to list the most powerful men in the political landscape of that country, and everything his government does has to meet the approval of most of the 87 people above him.. This is why you probably didn't hear a fucking word in the media about the Iranian President before mouthy Mahmoud got the job. Figurehead, mouthpiece, little more.

Well if the head honcho doesn't agree with his president maybe he should speak up! Mr 88 is going to get his country in a whole heap of trouble.

[niss]

Israel isnt in the habit of starting wars that could potentially have everyone in the country killed over a rumour, or just for the fun of it.

Also it strikes me as odd that with a policy of strategic ambiguity for the past 40 years Israel would throw that all away with an attack on Iran.

So it boils down to 2 things. Either this isnt true, or Israel has a damn good reason to do what she is alledgadly thinking of doing.

I hope to never see Israel use any sort of nukes, it opens the door from conventional to nuclear warefare being the standard.

That said, what would you do if you where honestly worried that everyone in your country were to be killed overnight and you have a damn good idea how and from who?

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Nice hair DD

Ummm the head of a government does speak for it's country. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

He is the head of the 'government', yes, but the 'government' of Iran is not the top of the totem pole like it is most other places. Ahmadinejad is around #88 if you want to list the most powerful men in the political landscape of that country, and everything his government does has to meet the approval of most of the 87 people above him.. This is why you probably didn't hear a fucking word in the media about the Iranian President before mouthy Mahmoud got the job. Figurehead, mouthpiece, little more.

Well if the head honcho doesn't agree with his president maybe he should speak up! Mr 88 is going to get his country in a whole heap of trouble.

[cloudcounter]

I think Israel's worst enemy is their wacky government- talk about miracles that they still are on the planet
God bless 'em

Israel Working on ´Plan B´ to End Iranian Nuclear Threat
17:11 Jan 07, '07 / 17 Tevet 5767
by Hana Levi Julian


The IDF is working on a “Plan B” as a backup in case diplomatic efforts to convince Iran to abandon its nuclear aspirations fail.


Israel is not waiting to see if diplomatic efforts by the international community manage to stop Iran from building a nuclear weapon, Britain's Sunday Times reports.

Israel Air Force pilot training programs are in full swing, the paper says, rehearsing scenarios in which they might be required to take military action.

Israel totally denied the report. Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said that Israel supports the sanctions against Iran, as well as increased diplomatic efforts to stop Iran.

The Times reports that IDF sources said two IAF squadrons are working on special plans to destroy a key Iranian nuclear facility in Natanz, using low-yield “buster bunkers.” This strategy is used in situations where military installations are located underground, as many of the Hizbullah sites were during the recent war with the terrorists in Lebanon.

A uranium conversion plant in Isfahan is also named in the report as a target, as is a heavy water plant at Arak. Both facilities have been in the news following speeches by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad bragging about the rapid pace of development at the facilities.

The two sites would be hit with conventional bombs in the scenarios under consideration by the IAF.,.,.snip inn.com

Israel isnt in the habit of starting wars that could potentially have everyone in the country killed over a rumour, or just for the fun of it.

Also it strikes me as odd that with a policy of strategic ambiguity for the past 40 years Israel would throw that all away with an attack on Iran.

So it boils down to 2 things. Either this isnt true, or Israel has a damn good reason to do what she is alledgadly thinking of doing.

I hope to never see Israel use any sort of nukes, it opens the door from conventional to nuclear warefare being the standard.

That said, what would you do if you where honestly worried that everyone in your country were to be killed overnight and you have a damn good idea how and from who?

[costermonger]

Well if the head honcho doesn't agree with his president maybe he should speak up! Mr 88 is going to get his country in a whole heap of trouble.

Well thing is, he died last week.. Right now they're in the process of sorting out who's going to be the new one. Want to make sure we've got an anti-west Iran for the next 10-15 years? Put enough pressure on them right now to make sure they pick an Ayatollah who'll keep them that way.

[costermonger]

That said, what would you do if you where honestly worried that everyone in your country were to be killed overnight and you have a damn good idea how and from who?

What would I do? I'd seek medical treatment for paranoia.

[niss]

Like I said costermonger, either this story is false or Israel has a damn good reason to throw away 40 years of strategic policy, and risk all out (nuclear) war with neighbouring countries.

I like to think its the former.

[bmc]

Personally, I think Iran and Israel are made for each other and deserve each other.

Maybe the whining will stop someday.

[costermonger]

Like I said costermonger, either this story is false or Israel has a damn good reason to throw away 40 years of strategic policy, and risk all out (nuclear) war with neighbouring countries.

I like to think its the former.

There is always the possibility that it's simply an exercise. I really don't think it's the second reason you mentioned - that point is at least 5 years (probably closer to 10) off.

[niss]

Exactly, so Israel wouldnt say that they are planning a nuke attack because remember Israel is not willing to confirm nor deny their possession of nuclear arms. My bet? This is a fake. Slow news day.

That said, there are smarter people than you or I working for the Mossad. Im sure if this is serious, than Iran is farther along than we actually know.

This isnt to say that the Mossad hasnt been wrong before (God knows they have!) but you and I have the newspaper, internet, tv, etc. They have operators on the ground collecting first hand intel. Sometimes its not accurate but you can bet that they have better insight into this issue than you or I do.

[2R]

The Persians cannot say they were not warned or given a fair heads up of what will come their way if they continue to threaten their neighbours.

[niss]

Israel denies planning for Iran nuclear attack
U.K. newspaper reports Israel intends to strike up to three targets in Iran

Updated: 5:59 p.m. ET Jan 7, 2007
LONDON - A British newspaper reported Sunday that Israeli pilots were training to strike targets in Iran with low-yield nuclear weapons, but Israel swiftly denied the report and analysts expressed doubts about its reliability.

Citing unidentified Israeli military sources, The Sunday Times said the proposals drawn up in Israel involved using so-called “bunker-buster” nuclear weapons to attack nuclear facilities at three sites south of the Iranian capital.

Israel has never confirmed it has nuclear weapons, although the Jewish state is widely believed to possess a significant stockpile.

Iran says its nuclear program is solely for peaceful purposes like generating electricity.

The Sunday Times reported that Israeli military officials believed Iran could produce enough enriched uranium to build nuclear weapons within two years, and the newspaper said Israeli pilots had made flights to the British colony of Gibraltar to train for the 2,000-mile round trip to the Iranian targets.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s office declined to comment on the report. “We don’t respond to publications in The Sunday Times,” said spokeswoman Miri Eisin.

However Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev denied the report, saying: “if diplomacy succeeds, the problem can be solved peaceably.”

The United States and its allies suspect Tehran of secretly trying to produce atomic weapons there.

Some view Israeli officials’ occasional implied threats as a means of pressuring the world community to take action, building on the recent United Nations Security Council decision to impose some economic sanctions on Tehran for its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment.

Some analysts viewed Sunday’s report as another element of delicate diplomacy.

“I refuse to believe that anyone here would consider using nuclear weapons against Iran,” Reuven Pedatzur, a prominent defense analyst and columnist for the Israeli daily Haaretz, told the AP. “It is possible that this was a leak done on purpose, as deterrence, to say: ’Someone better hold us back, before we do something crazy.”’

Ephraim Kam — a former senior intelligence official now at Tel Aviv University’s Institute for National Strategic Studies — also suggested the report should not be taken literally. “No reliable source would ever speak about this, certainly not to the Sunday Times,” he said.

© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. (Whoops)

[Apollo]

That said, what would you do if you where honestly worried that everyone in your country were to be killed overnight and you have a damn good idea how and from who?

Who were you talking about again?

[niss]

Who called for the destruction of who here?

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Israel Soon to Launch New Anti-Missile Drone
18:17 Jan 08, '07 / 18 Tevet 5767
by Hana Levi Julian

A new drone designed to identify, intercept and destroy ballistic missiles as they are launched from the ground will soon make its debut.
The drone, designed and produced by the Israel Aircraft Industries, is the largest unmanned aircraft in the world.
It is a huge aircraft, almost the same size as a Boeing 737 passenger airliner with a wing span of 110 feet (35 meters), said a security official quoted in the daily newspaper Yediot Ahronot.

The aircraft is designed to fly at high altitudes and is equipped with cameras which identify the missiles as they are launched. It is also armed with missiles, which are used to intercept and destroy those which are fired by the enemy.

Named the “Eitan,” the unmanned aircraft will be used for long-range operations and is expected to make its first flight within the near future.

The development of the new anti-missile system comes as the Jewish State eyes with concern the increasing threat to its existence by sabre-rattling calls from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to “wipe Israel off the map.”

Hizbullah terrorists in southern Lebanon fired Iranian-made long-range missiles at Israel during the war last summer, hitting an Israeli naval vessel in Mediterranean waters and killing four sailors.

Syria and Iran have also broadened military cooperation in recent months. Iran agreed last June to sell missiles and establish weapons production plants in Syria. Defense ministers of the two Muslim countries said the agreement was intended as a move against Israel and the United States.

Earlier in the year, Iran conducted a successful test launch of its Shehab-3 surface-to-air (SAM) ballistic missile. The weapon is designed to carry a non-conventional weapon, such as an atomic warhead, according to a report that was published in the British Telegraph.

Russia has also been arming the Islamic Republic. Iran received the first of 29 surface-to-air missile systems from Russia in November, according to the Tass news agency. Iranian crews were trained by Russia to man the weapons.
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To put things in perspective, my Bible says no nation at this time will be able to wipe Israel off the map though Russia will try and be incinerated herself along with Iran and a couple of other Jew Haters [ Ezekiel], and of course the anti christ will try as well. [Rev] This cant happen for a while yet though till a covenant of 'peace' is enacted.
http://www.jimandpatsanders.com/pages/B ... lation.htm
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[costermonger]

Saw this on another site.. Thought you guys might find it interesting.

[niss]

It is a very good point. I do not believe there is enough evidence at this point to say either way. Yes Iran needs to be stopped one way or another but weather an immediate attack will yield enough positive results is yet to be determined. However, the leader of Iran has expressed a desire to destroy Israel and Israel has decided to take that threat seriously.

Its a sticky situation, do they call his bluff or wait untill he can destroy Israel?

Again, none of us here have the first hand experience with this. I highly doubt anyone here is an high ranking Iranian or an agent for Mossad.

Everyone here (including myself) is just speculating.

[costermonger]

However, the leader of Iran has expressed a desire to destroy Israel and Israel has decided to take that threat seriously.

Sure, but historically this is the equivalent of shaking hands and kissing babies in the middle east.

I'm not suggesting that they pay no attention to it, but why make a big deal out of that sort of statement now? It's been said over and over and over by leaders of pretty much all Muslim, middle eastern nations in the past 60 years - whether they're Islamic theocracies or not.

[2R]

Coastie i do hope you are not advocating appeasement .The only thing bullies understand is a kick to the nuts.And a Hammer works well on the really big bullies

[costermonger]

2R

I know it may not fit well into the worldview of someone who distills preemptive nuclear war down to a school yard analogy, but there are a few more options than "nuke the bastards" and "let 'em have their bombs!"

BTW, there's no "a" in my username.

[2R]

Well the sandbox is kinda like the sandbox in kindergarten as everyone says the same things "I did not start it" "it's all his fault "" Your not the boss of me" .Of course the my daddies bigger than your daddy does not work now that the cold war is over .
If all sides that are tacitly supporting the wars were to let the middle east alone they would stop fighting and make the peace .But there are too many countries outside who are only too willing to support the wars there .
They are like the kids who shout " Fight Fight Fight ".If they were to wage peace as furvently as war ,the middleast would truly be the Holy Land.

Would it be ironic if some of the first weapons from Iran found there way to paris ,moscow and those other sanction busting places.After all When the choice is Sanctions or War .Those who bust the sanctions are worse than war mongers .Some people lived in hope that the sanctions would have brought peace .Instead thanks to criminal sanction busting countries the world is a more unstable place.Made even more dangerous by those who undermine diplomatic efforts to resolve issues.

[niss]

If all sides that are tacitly supporting the wars were to let the middle east alone they would stop fighting and make the peace .But there are too many countries outside who are only too willing to support the wars there .
They are like the kids who shout " Fight Fight Fight ".If they were to wage peace as furvently as war ,the middleast would truly be the Holy Land.

I disagree, in the very beginning there was little or no tactical support for Israel. Israel was invaded during the 1948 war of indipendance. Also there have been several arms embargos over the years to Israel. France did it, and I believe at one time the united states did it too.

Enemies are enemies. Several other countries have found that it is mutualy beneficial to have peace with Israel (Egypt and Jordan) but several Arabs have it in their head that the mere existance of Israel is unacceptable (Hamas, Hezbollah, Ahmadinejad, etc.) These people and organizations can not be changed. They are not looking to negotiate. This isnt as simple as "you release our prisoners and we will release yours". They are looking for the complete and utter destruction of a state and its inhabitants.

Just like Arab leaders before them they look to cast the jews into the sea.

"The proof is in the pudding" comes to mind right now. Very few Arab countries have proven that they would like to coexist with Israel. When a country expresses interest in destroying another country (that is roughly the length of Toronto to Ottawa) and are attempting to develop the means to destroy the entire country with one missile, they need to take that threat seriously.

This is not the type of gamble that Israel can take and say "If were right great, if were wrong no big deal". It is catch 22 for Israel. They go head to head with Iran. Lots of people die on both sides. Depending on the arsenal used it may stay conventional or open up a standard of nuclear war. And then they avert a nuclear holocaust and everyone gets to live for one more day. Or they attack and they were right Iran does have nukes and everyone in Israel dies. The end.

There is no cut and dry answer. There is no quick and easy solution.

Make no mistake. Most Israelis do not like war. They hate it. But they know it, and are very good at it.

Alot of people will die eventually.

If Iran keeps going the way its going.......who knows.

On one hand I respect a sovreign nations right to provide itself with a reliable and efficient means of producing energy (if that is truely the case) however in the interest of international peace I hope that he just quits flexing his nuts and accepts some of the nuclear deals.

In the end Iran will lose. One way or another. The question is how many people will lose too? If you have a guy walking around in the states talking about how he would just love to kill some black people just as soon as he gets a gun, and the governing body is trying to make it difficult cause hes a fucking nutbar but he keeps complaining that its his God given and constitutional right to have a gun.

What do you do? Protect freedom, or protect the innocent people who may or may not actually be threatened?

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The fall out from this hatred is worldwide
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Waiting To Be Killed
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Emanuel A. Winston, a Middle East analyst & commentator

Both America and Israel are artfully avoiding action to eliminate Iran's nuclear capacity until it will be too late.

Each puts out disinformation propaganda that Iran is "several years away from being nuclear-capable". They base this on vague estimates about how many centrifuges it will take to make sufficient quantities of enriched uranium. What we are NOT being told is the amount of fissile material already purchased from the Russians both officially and through the well-oiled Black Market.

We had the opportunity of insuring that Iran could not either develop or purchase nuclear materials years ago. Instead, we played around with that crook and terrorist pacifier Kofi Annan and the U.N.

I am certain that we will have those infamous do-nothing, solve-nothing Congressional Hearings after a number of American cities experience nuclear explosions. Perhaps there won't even be time for those useless hearings if Iran manages to set off two or three suitcase nukes in the center of Washington. Irradiated and helpless Congressmen will scatter for treatment in various hospitals assuming the hospitals are operable or not massively overloaded.

We could have hit them by now and not have any American troops on the ground. Missiles and bunker busting bombs would leave what is left of the Iranian government with enough problems to keep them re-building for 20 years or more.

FULL ARTICLE: http://gamla.org.il/english/article/2007/jan/win1.htm

[costermonger]

Would it be ironic if some of the first weapons from Iran found there way to paris ,moscow and those other sanction busting places.

The thing about nuclear weapons is that it's relatively easy to figure out where they came from very quickly after they're detonated. Everybody who has them/wants them knows this. Iran is, plain and simple, not going to start a nuclear war (or a conventional one) with Israel - they could certainly kill some Israelis if they did so, but then Iran gets destroyed. Even if they beat the odds and somehow manage to "wipe Israel off the map," they've still got the US to contend with in the aftermath, so the result is the same.

Despite what the media will tell you, a coutry full of Shi'a Persians isn't going to risk (ensure) anhiliation to "help" some Sunni Arabs.

The biggest threat from Iranian nukes is that they'll fall into hands other than the Iranian government. This brings us back to the first point - somebody, probably the US since there's no pretense about whether or not that they have them - has to make it clear that any nuclear explosions occuring in allied nations that were conducted with weapons either known or suspected of originating there, or passing through Iran, would be met with an overwhelming response.