Israel Planning Nuke Strike on Iran

[costermonger]

We could have hit them by now and not have any American troops on the ground. Missiles and bunker busting bombs would leave what is left of the Iranian government with enough problems to keep them re-building for 20 years or more.

FULL ARTICLE: http://gamla.org.il/english/article/2007/jan/win1.htm

Refer to my chart.

[cloudcounter]

So set them back 40 years - the head of the snake just might wake up to what peacefull co-existance is all about
cc

Saw this on another site.. Thought you guys might find it interesting.

[costermonger]

So set them back 40 years - the head of the snake just might wake up to what peacefull co-existance is all about
cc

Hahahahahaha.. Tell me another!

[niss]

So you're suggesting we let it develope into another cold war and just like the first leave it to mutually assured destruction to prevent any nation from launching an attack?

While I see where you are going, and I do agree that while a cold peace is still peace I find it hard to agree that it is possible to have such a standoff with a people who view martyrdom as a worthy cause.

Suicide bombers are in vogue dont forget. Many are willing to die just to take out their target.

That aside lets pretend for an instance that Iran wont attack directly, Iran right now does not launch any attacks at Israel but she attacks Israel vicariously through various organizations they provide weapons to and fund.

What (other than mutually assured destruction) is supposed to prevent Iran from providing a weapon to terrorists?

Also a stance of "let them have their toys and we will spank them if they attack Israel" is unacceptable. This whole rickamarack is all about the fear of countless innocent lives being lost. When gamlbling with millions of lives on either side a solution must not be reactive but rather proactive.

Anyone who argues that if Israel is allowed to have nukes than Iran should be allowed to aswell. On the surface this is true, a sovreign nation should be allowed to persue its nuclear ambitions in accordance with the treaties it has signed, however one must admit that Israel, while having denying having nukes has also never threatened to use nukes, and has never threatened to completely destroy a country or its inhabitants.

So far Israel has proven that they are responsible to be trusted that the nuclear weapons they may or may not have are used as a defensive weapon rather than an offensive one. Israel has alledgedly had these weapons for 40 years. There have been many times where they could have used them if their intentions were for an offensive role.

Iran, and other rogue states show they do not have the responsibility to handle such weapons in a manner that is conclusive to that of a defensive nature. While we do not neccesarily have the right to police other sovreign nations, Israel does have the right to assure her safe and peaceful existance and that of her people.

Don't forget whatever the situation is, if Iran does have a nuke and does choose to use it, its all over for the people of Israel. Likewise if Israel does posess nuclear weapons and they use them on Iran its lights out for Iran. At this point Iran is the variable. We allready know that Israel hasnt nuked Iran and at the very least is increadibly hesitant to use it.

[cloudcounter]

50 yrs?

So set them back 40 years - the head of the snake just might wake up to what peacefull co-existance is all about
cc

Hahahahahaha.. Tell me another!

[Chantal]

But George S. says

This is not a true story because Israel says it has no nukes and also because Iran says it will retaliate if anyone tries to stop them. (from their nuclear plans) Good points don't you think?

[bob sacamano]

Howbout this. @#$! israel and iran and @#$! anyone who defends either one.

Both governments can suck me sideways.

- iranians must shave their beards first, I'm ticklish.

- israelis, my kawk is kosher.

[Inverted2]

Let them wipe eachother off the map!

[Dust Devil]

Let them wipe eachother off the map!

so much hate

[costermonger]

So you're suggesting we let it develope into another cold war and just like the first leave it to mutually assured destruction to prevent any nation from launching an attack?

Try all the containment strategies you can to prevent them from finishing the development programs, and if that fails, continue with the containment strategies once they've got the weapons. Isolate them politically, but not economically. There's a huge portion of that country that wants to live a western lifestyle, that don't want their country to remain an Islamic theocracy. Attack Iran now and that whole group turns towards their Mullah leaders.

Basically, if Israel or the US attack Iran now, there's a 100% chance that 20 years from now, Iran is still going to be under the thumb of the Mullah's.

Iran says it will retaliate if anyone tries to stop them. (from their nuclear plans) Good points don't you think?

Iran says that it would use it's nuclear weapons if attacked - once it has them developed. The same can be said about the US, Russia, France, England, North Korea, South Africa (if they've still got them), India, Pakistan and Israel.

[niss]

Cost.

So you dont think that Iran (with nuclear capabilities) poses an immediate threat to Israel?

(BTW, I am enjoying this debate! Its nice to get one going with such civility rarely seen on this forum pertaining to this subject!)

[costermonger]

I don't think Iran presents any bigger threat to Israel with nuclear weapons than North Korea presents to South Korea.

I don't particularly like the idea that either of those countries has nuclear weapons, but Pakistan already has them, and I have far, far less confidence in the Pakistani government's ability to hold on to it's weapons than I do in Iran's.

[bob sacamano]

THis is what I think about this topic.





*Credit: Go train, Brampton-Mississauga.

[cloudcounter]

Hokey Ganesh!
Didn't kindler gentler Canada start the ball rolling over there with the Cando Cash Cow to India for 'piece' full purposes?
Chalk one for Canader
cc

I don't think Iran presents any bigger threat to Israel with nuclear weapons than North Korea presents to South Korea.

I don't particularly like the idea that either of those countries has nuclear weapons, but Pakistan already has them, and I have far, far less confidence in the Pakistani government's ability to hold on to it's weapons than I do in Iran's.

[costermonger]

CANDU reactors aren't capable of producing anything that's useful in a weapons program, but we did sell them the reactor they used to make most of their weapons grade pultonium.

[cloudcounter]

Exactly , and Ottawa bought the peacefull purposes chapati chat
thank you Mrs Ghandi ?

CANDU reactors aren't capable of producing anything that's useful in a weapons program, but we did sell them the reactor they used to make most of their weapons grade pultonium.

[the original tony]

at the end of the day, israel will never have to use their "non existant" missles because the US would be there before anything ever happened.
this brutal one sidedness is what gives the these countries such a hated status. Not one person on this forum can say with any honesty that if the same war in lebanon was in the other direction, a thousand jews dead and a hundred lebanese dead, the US would have been OK with this.
they would have raped and fucked up lebanon just like they did to iraq,
why?
israel can do no wrong. regardless of what it does. so eventhough they have never attacked iran directly, the US gladly does it for them, politically or how be it, they are the last country in this world to be innocent and peaceful.
they control congress, what else do they want. they have the power to veto through the US any legislation the UN slates.
they can order whatever they like, and it will be done.
sounds like an innocent relationship to me.
besides killing a million iranians is nothing to killing a million israelis.
its better to nuke them, instead of anybody getting hurt ,agreed?????????

[WJflyer]

CANDU reactors aren't capable of producing anything that's useful in a weapons program, but we did sell them the reactor they used to make most of their weapons grade pultonium.

Incorrect.

It is extremely easy to use the CANDU reactor as a breeder reactor for weapons grade uranium or plutonium, because of the ease of how they can be refueled without having the reactor shut down. Also, Tritium is a by-product of the operation of the reactor, and that can be used in the fusion part of a Hydrogen bomb.

[cloudcounter]

I dont think Israel can rely on the US totally though as they have kinda sold the store to them as witness giving up their land for 'peace ' to terrorists and US pressure.
If the US was such the buddy you imply they would have released Pollard long ago.
Terrorists hate the free world and there is also an Ishmael root that is biblical that most commentors such as yourself take no note of.
Lebanon would be in fair shape if the US had kicked ass in 83 and if the Israels had not ran away under Barak because of US appeasement.
Since Arafart Lebanon is Iran's and Syria's staging area for terrorism- God help the freedom loving Lebanese.
Israel can screwup like the rest of the Nations but God uses her as a litmus to His world plans because of Christ. Gen 12:3 Anything out of that view is conjecture.
If the Jews are so powerfull in the Congress etc why is Pollard still buried?
You dont work for the UN [ united naysayers] do you?
cc

at the end of the day, israel will never have to use their "non existant" missles because the US would be there before anything ever happened.
this brutal one sidedness is what gives the these countries such a hated status. Not one person on this forum can say with any honesty that if the same war in lebanon was in the other direction, a thousand jews dead and a hundred lebanese dead, the US would have been OK with this.
they would have raped and fucked up lebanon just like they did to iraq,
why?
israel can do no wrong. regardless of what it does. so eventhough they have never attacked iran directly, the US gladly does it for them, politically or how be it, they are the last country in this world to be innocent and peaceful.
they control congress, what else do they want. they have the power to veto through the US any legislation the UN slates.
they can order whatever they like, and it will be done.
sounds like an innocent relationship to me.
besides killing a million iranians is nothing to killing a million israelis.
its better to nuke them, instead of anybody getting hurt ,agreed?????????

[electraguy]

Will history repeat itself? Remember good old 1981 when Iraq was building its nuclear reactor? The Isrealies let them get that plant almost to the turnkey stage, then a sqn of F-16s wipped it off the map. There is now way that Isreal is going to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, it would upset the balance of power in the region not to mention, who would be in control of "the button" in Iran. There is no way to know if the weapon could end up in extremist hands. I for one support Isreal for protecting it country and its people. Someone has to take a strong stand in the region and they are not afraid to do just that. Its gotta be tough being surounded by unstable and unfriendly nations over there, if they do not stand tall, they would be crushed.

[mellow_pilot]

CANDU reactors aren't capable of producing anything that's useful in a weapons program, but we did sell them the reactor they used to make most of their weapons grade pultonium.

Incorrect.

It is extremely easy to use the CANDU reactor as a breeder reactor for weapons grade uranium or plutonium, because of the ease of how they can be refueled without having the reactor shut down. Also, Tritium is a by-product of the operation of the reactor, and that can be used in the fusion part of a Hydrogen bomb.

CANDU = Canada Duterium/Uranium reactor.

Since it uses uranium, production of derivative nuclear material is obviously possible. CANDU uses natural uranium, I would suggest that refining it to weapons-grade would not be such a simple process, though possible. India uses a reactor based on CANDU to produce military plutonium. The tritium, as WJ pointed out, is also a problem. The tritium in India's H-bomb is suspected to have come from a CANDU.

What CANDU can't do, is meltdown like Chernobyl. They are remarkably safe reactors, with the only real danger being leakage of radio-avtive material. They can't really blow up, but they can make stuff that does.

[costermonger]

Incorrect.

It is extremely easy to use the CANDU reactor as a breeder reactor for weapons grade uranium or plutonium, because of the ease of how they can be refueled without having the reactor shut down. Also, Tritium is a by-product of the operation of the reactor, and that can be used in the fusion part of a Hydrogen bomb.

You're right about tritium, I wasn't thinking about products other than uranium or plutonium, but I can't find any information about CANDU reactors being used as breeders, or any information that suggests that the waste products coming out of a CANDU are significantly closer to weapons grade than the fuel that went in - without a seemingly extensive list of enrichment facilities, you're not much further ahead.

If you've got some resources, let me know. I'm interested.

[mellow_pilot]

http://www.candu.org/candu_reactors.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactor
http://canteach.candu.org/
http://canteach.candu.org/library/20010701.pdf

[mellow_pilot]

http://www.candu.org/candu_reactors.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactor
http://canteach.candu.org/
http://canteach.candu.org/library/20010701.pdf

[grimey]

Since it uses uranium, production of derivative nuclear material is obviously possible. CANDU uses natural uranium, I would suggest that refining it to weapons-grade would not be such a simple process, though possible. India uses a reactor based on CANDU to produce military plutonium. The tritium, as WJ pointed out, is also a problem. The tritium in India's H-bomb is suspected to have come from a CANDU.

http://www.nuclearfaq.ca/cnf_sectionF.htm#x1_2