Aerobatic Training

[klimman123]

Hey there

I'm starting to do some Emergency Maneuver Training in a Pitts and now I'm really keen on doing an Aerobatic Endorsment. I could do it on the Pitts butt it would be too expensive. My question is; are the any schools out there or people that do these endorsments on smaller aircraft at a reasonable price? Aswell, are ther any pit falls I should be aware of?

Thanks

[DriftWood]

Last time I heard of a guy was in Caselagar B.C. They used a C-150.
Buddy of mine did it. Said it was the most fun he has ever had.This was a couple of years ago though.

[corn-shoot]

Hey there

Aswell, are ther any pit falls I should be aware of?

See why that's funny, it's a pits, and it falls...

Not sure where you are, but fighter combat international is a great group of people to train with. Last time I checked they were at YSN

http://www.fcitraining.com/

[Kahlua]

If youre in the Alberta area, Cooking Lake Aviation Academy is doing aerobatics on a C-150...Im not 100% on the prices, but im sure theyre under 100 per hour...Again im not sure if thats a good price or not but i hear its an absolute blast.
-K

[hz2p]

There is no such thing as an "aerobatic endorsement" with respect to either pilot's licences in Canada, or pilot certificates in the USA.

An aerobatic flight instructor may write in your logbook "Nice Round Loops" or "Totally Bitchin' Hammerheads" but that really doesn't mean anything to anybody except perhaps you and him.

You may legally perform solo aerobatics without any aerobatic training. It's not safe, but it's legal.

If you wish to carry pax during aerobatics you don't need to be an aerobatic instructor. Again this may not be very safe, but it's legal. All you need to do is comply with CAR 602.28 which says you need either 10 hours of acro training, or 20 hours solo acro, and 1 hour of acro in the last 6 months.

Two words: SPIN TRAINING

If you're going to do acro, learn how to recover from spins. Upright spins. Inverted spins. Accelerated spins. Flat spins. Way too many people have died over the years because they froze during a spin. The legendary Sean D Tucker once parachuted out of a perfectly good Pitts because he didn't know how to recover from the spin he got into.

Start by googling this: Beggs-Mueller

Another topic: learn the relationship between airspeed and G (think Va). You will operate at very high angles of attack during acro, in a wide range of airspeeds. If you understand the fundamental relationship between G and airspeed, you will avoid the stall, and avoid breaking the aircraft.

Another topic: aircraft attitude has nothing to do with angle of attack. An aircraft in a vertical upline has a zero AOA. The wing has no eyeballs. It does not get scared with unusual visuals even if the pilot does.

[Crispy3M]

Moncton Flight College gives aerobatic training on a Citabria.

It was fun!

Crispy

[Big Pistons Forever]

Victoria Flying Club ( Victoria B.C. ) has a flat wing Citabria with inverted fuel/oil system and good instructors. I have a Class 1 aerobatic instructor rating and did some flying with Brian to get ready for my Fed renewal ride last year. I thought he was an excellent instructor.

IMO anybody who attempts ANY aerobatic manoever without formal training is a complete idiot.

[mcrit]

Hz2p was dead right. The only 'aerobatic' endorsment is the aerobatic instructor rating. If you want to fly aerobatics for fun you don't need any special ratings, but like Big Piston said you should get some training before you try anything.
The aerobatic instructor rating is 15 hrs on the ground and 10 in the air. If you are in Ontario PM me. I can direct you to an aerobatic C150, and a Class 1 aerobatic instructor (Me).

[I'd Rather Be Flying]

CEN-3. Ask for Nick. They fly a Citabria.

[klimman123]

Thanks for the input. I'll check out what some of these clubs/schools offer and try to do a little aerobatic training in the fall, when I come out of the bush. By the way, what is CEN-3???