Katey's Firearms Facts

niss · Post by **niss** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:38 pm

NWOT,

Arm the masses and you would have had more capable Nazis earlier on in Germany. The Jews were outnumberd. There were uprisings in Warsaw and in Treblinka remember? But eitherway they were outnumbered.

What do you think would have happened during Kristallnacht had everyone been armed? The Jews would have stood up for themselves better sure, but there would have been alot more dead Jews.

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:17 pm

They where outnumbered at the Alamo too, but that didn't make anyone throw down his weapon and put his hands in the air. I'm not blaming the Jews. I'm saying that if you can't defend yourself you are a slave. After that last confrontation in Israel, world opinion was that the Jews responded to aggressively. In WW2 they said that the Jews accepted their fate too passively. German officers said "it must be right to do this as they accept it so willingly" I'd much rather be accused of striking back too fiercely than going down too easily. Many battles have been won by the weaker opponent because he fought harder. But you can't fight if you allow your enemy (government) to systematically disarm you before the battle starts. Your government shouldn't be your enemy but when he uses your tax dollars to disarm you he definately is your enemy. How long did the cold war go on without a shot fired because both sides knew the other was capable and willing to strike back. Peace through superior power. Israel wouldn't exist right now if they couldn't defend themselves.

onceacop · Post by **onceacop** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:27 pm

It all comes down to the law. If people were law abiding and there wasn't violence then there wouldn't ever be a need or want for protection. It would be like the Mr. Rogers neiborhood. Living in harmony.
Only the law abiding citizen that disarms is the loser. The criminal will-not.
If I have a clean record, take the training, stay proficient, and follow the rules of the road, I should have the right to keep and bear arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG6LXtdHDtM

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:12 pm

Did someone just cite the ALAMO!!!?!??!?!

All credibility gone. I guess we're going to overlook Crocket sneaking out in a dress to try to escape huh? (yeah, they don't like to talk about that part)

If Bruce wants to fight for his (and as you claim, my) rights... GREAT!!!
But since he's using dispicable tactics which force me to lump him in with the degenerates he's fighting, screw him and his fight.

If people could just simply make the argument logically with out parading kids about to evoke emotion and play psychological games, I would take them seriously. As it sits, I'm calling dickheads dickheads.

Andy Hamilton · Post by **Andy Hamilton** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:22 pm

Holy Magenta wrote:This debate is always really interesting, so here are my 2 cents.

The US has so many accidental shootings, it isn't even funny. However, thats because of the way they handle guns. The fact that people leave loaded fire arms lying around is bound to lead to accidental, or intentional, violence.

In Canada it is already illegal to store a weapon loaded. It must be locked up, and the ammo stored separately. So basically in canada if you get mad at someone, you have to go unlock your gun, unlock your ammo, then shoot them, its practically pre-meditated by the time you get to shooting them. I think it is very smart because it gives people a chance to cool down and think and realize the consequences, where as in the states, with a bad temper and gun at your side you might do something you would regret. There is no point in keeping a loaded weapon at home either, because its illegal to defend you home with it and you will end up with charges if you shoot an intruder. (although a very few have gotten away with it)

Oh and the priceless quote, "if it saves just one life its worth it!" Hundreds of millions of dollars could be spent to save thousands of lives in our country or abroad through charities and humanity programs. Thats the most bogus brain washed arguement I've ever heard.

anyways, that my take on it, and its probably verbatum to a simular thread months ago.... oh well.

Well said regarding the Firearms registry, one comment on storage though: There is no requirement to store your ammunition in a seperate container. The requirement (regarding ammo) is that firearms must be unloaded. This is as per the Canadian Firearms centre and the Firearms Act.

The problem I see n Canada, is that the previous goverment felt that taking away the 'tools' will help reduce crime. Pepper spray is banned in Canada because a "criminal' may use it in a crime. Yet the 'criminal' can go into a sporting goods store and buy bear repellant. The criminal can now use it to commit a crime. A woman entering the store and purchasing that same repellant would be commiting a crime is she purchased it for self protection against a human. Where is the logic. We take away the ability for law abiding citizens to place the odds in their favour. A rapist or mugger has the advantage of suprise and pre-planning, chossing any tool they desire, gun, knife, bat, rolling pin etc..... I do not leave my house fearing for my safety, but that does'nt mean I would not like to be equipt to protect myself and others. My friend coming to the aid of a woman in Vancouver was stabbed in the back missing his spine by an inch. I would not feel unsafe in a Canada that allowed concealed carry. As long as suffficient training, and background checks are there. But thats just my opinion.

Dash-Ate · Post by **Dash-Ate** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:35 pm

Many women would keep their handgun in their handbag. Purse snatcher comes up, grabs bag...now what?

Hedley has a point. When the USA declares its Red Alert (why else did they design it, for fun??) there will be military rounding up citizens and limiting their movement.
All they have to do is say "a threat from 100 "terrorists" was received and they say that bombs are planted all over the city. For your saftey we are starting martial law." End game for freedom.

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:28 pm

I had never heard about Crocket parading around in a dress. Maybe he had a date with J Edgar Hoover. The anti C68 crowd did try to reach the people with more meetings in town halls across Canada than you could count. But just try to get Canadians off their ass to come out is very difficult. The ones in the north and across the prairies were well attended but ( and I hate to keep beating on these people ) the SOCS wouldn't come out. If you want to get their attention you have to use the tube. If you had the most informed person on earth telling facts the channel would get changed instantly. But if you present an interesting and amusing young lady who is doing nothing more than relating the truth people will watch and listen. The amount of interest these videos are creating proves that without a doubt. I am also uncomfortable with the videos with the shotgun. I have never felt I needed a firearm to protect myself from my fellow man. This issue is about long guns, hunting and target shooting and people that live off the land like trappers, collectors etc. These people don't commit crimes and the only reason to register is for future confiscation. When all are registered and the billions spent the crime rate has not and will not drop one bit. The Liberals where so power drunk they thought they could ram anything down our throats and get away with it. Canadians identified the Conservative party with Mulrooney, and we sure didn't want to repeat those years, but we got past it. I'm optomistic with regards to Canadas future with our new leader. He's still battling the opposition to scrap this foolishness and I hope he succeeds. Until then put you support behind Bruce Montague and his family especially Kate. When this is over we may erect a statue of Bruce in our town, hell maybe we'll even put a dress on it.

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:37 am

I personally think registration of all firearms is a good idea ON PAPER I think it should be free, and easy. I think its a good idea that the history of it can be traced back. This would come in handy not only during tracking a stolen firearm but you would be able to do background checks on the weapon when planning on buying it or selling it.

However it seems that once this is put in practice it is a much differant story. I could agree that longguns don't neccesarily need to be registered (would still be good imho read top part) but handguns should be.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:53 am

I personally think registration of all firearms is a good idea

Are you going to pay for it? I heard in Britain, because there weren't as many firearms, people tend to kill each other with kitchen knives, so the do-gooders in Britain are trying to outlaw those, too

Should we register all kitchen knives, too?

I know you're awfully young, Niss, but perhaps sometime you might realize that the most dangerous animal on the planet walks on two legs.

You've probably never heard of Timothy McVeigh. He managed to wipe out an entire building, killing and injuring more than any gun-toting idiot, using only a van, fertilizer, and diesel fuel.

Should we register all fertilizer and diesel fuel, too?

Try to get over the powerful Freudian symbolism of guns; something hard and long that you squeeze and stuff shoots out of, ok? You're probably more likely to get struck by lightning than you are to be shot by a pistol. Why not worry about lightning rods instead?

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:59 am

Niss, obviously you didn't pay attention to the video and what this topic is all about. As the little lady said, 4438 stolen guns where reregistered to the other people. You think it should be free. Does a billion tax dollars sound like free. Why the hell do you need to know the history of your hunting rifle. There's no free lunch in this world. If your not paying someone else is. In this case its the taxpayer. How much is this neverending court case going to cost the taxpayer. All this so the corrupt government can use the overwhelming power of the bottomless pit of tax dollars to brutalize and destroy a well respected business man and member of our community. I agree with handgun and restricted weapons laws. These are what criminals use to commit crimes. They have always been regulated. Criminals don't obey regulations so why go after law abiding citizens. Thats why the liberals where removed, due to their own arrogance they couldn't govern. Most the power to fight these corrupt bastards is in southern Ontario, but they're such a maudling, appathetic group they sit back and do nothing. We in the north fight as hard as we can but are always outvoted by the SOCS. If you think our government is fair and just why the hell can't Catdriver do so much as a float endorsement? I'll tell ya why. Because somewhere along the line he had the audacity to stand up for himself against an oppressive government and had to be destroyed. As he has said, he sat in a room with what he thought we his friends along with government people, looking out for the best interests of a solid citizen, but what he had was a mafia oriented mob that had already decided he needed to be whacked for standing up against them. Thats exactly whats happening to Bruce Montague. He is being destroyed by the might of his own tax dollars. His court case is being heard now. I challenge every gun owner on this forum to look at his website and get out your checkbook and support this worthy cause. That goes double for you Catdriver as you know what its like to stand alone and face these powerful bastards. If every gun owner sent $50 it make all the difference in the world.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:13 am

Except gun owners in southern Ontario, cause anyone from "the south" can't be trusted. You know, the more I read your posts, the more biggoted you seem. If you botherd to read Cat's story, you'd know that he hasn't had a direct problem with the elected officials, but rather the bureaucrats that are un-elected and are NOT the government, rather civil servants. Sure the minister hasn't done anything to help him out, but it's the civil servants who are really giving grief. There are many in the civil service who abuse thier power. There are many politicians who abuse thier power. There is a slight difference.

NWONT, I challenge you to get off the fucking soap box and stop painting everyone in an entire region of the country with the same brush. If I'm not mistaken, many (if not the majority) of the posters on this thread opposing the registration of long guns are from SOUTHERN ONTARIO!!!! Now loose the unfounded hatred and paranoia. The south isn't out to get you. No one is. Simmer down, go flying or something.

Reason for the registration? Same as the reason for protecting the right to bear arms in the States. Keep the feeble minded scared, then give them something to focus on so you can gain votes. It's trikery in the first degree... kinda like using a 13 yr old to spread propaganda (and it is propaganda, as she is editorializing the facts she presents). Nice to see you arguing in support of the exploitation of children though...

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:32 am

Hed,

I am very aware of who Timothy McVeigh is, I am also aware that the purchase of large quantities of furtalizers are scrutinized and inspected. IIRC thats how the "Toronto Terroists" were caught.

The most dangerous animal walks on 2 legs is totally true. That is why I oppose all of them carrying hand guns. A fair amount of gun deaths are a result of stray bullets. Usually the person being shot at was for a reason. The innocent bystanders are just that. So just imagine everyone had a gun around you?

Hed, you will never get everyone to agree on something. You are a conservative I am a liberal. You disagree with alot of my views and I do yours aswell. However like I mentioned in my post, i think its a good idea on paper but it must be worked out in practice properly.

As to the tax payers paying for it? Millions of dollars are pissed away all the time by our government. I would be willing to support something like that as the intentions (Atleast from my end) are good.

And as to the stat of all those guns being stolen having been registered. Great....registration doesnt prevent theift but you can find out who it was stolen from.

My friend has an extensive gun collection and is quite a prudent owner. He has all of his weapons locked in a safe, most of them have trigger locks on top of that, all the ammunition is locked away in ammunition cans seperately, and all the bolts/firing mechanisims are removed from the firearms and kept in an ammo can usually carried in his car so he can keep an eye on it. If there is a break in he doesnt have to worry about his guns hurting anyone.

Now a free registration of longguns would allow a firearm to be tracked should it ever be stolen, it would allow you to check if you are buying a stolen weapon, and if it were free it would be of minimal inconvinence to the owner.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:40 am

You are a conservative I am a liberal

You may be liberal, but I am certainly not conservative. Both right wing and left wing extremists scare the living daylights out of me.

I an merely a minimalist. I believe that less government is usually better government, because the public sector rarely does anything well.

P.S. FWIW I'm originally from Alberta, but currently reside in Eastern Ontario (not really sure why, everyone else seems to be going the other way right now

)

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:56 am

Civil servants are put in place by the bureaucrats with the full power and backing of the government. If these people don't tow the line and do as the elected officials tell them they are soon removed. You're right, most posts are from southern Ontario, but bitching on this website accomplishes nothing. So put down your mouse and pick up a pen and your checkbook. The entire Montague family was attacked by the government, not just Bruce. Their family home, that they built, not bought, was held for a time. Not one member of this family has ever broken a law. I was hunting with my family when I was much younger than thirteen, I would be and I'm sure Kate is proud to help defend my family if it was under attack. I'm sure you can see she's an intelligent young lady and quite capable of forming her own oppinion. We grow up and mature earlier up here. The government just decided to enact a new law and Bruce and his wife did not cave in to it. Absolutly no one was in any way put at risk or in peril by this noncompliance. The reason for taking the home was they wanted to somehow call it the proceeds of a crime. There was no crime except the domination of power drunk regime. This regime has been removed and some low level stooges put in jail to satisfy the masses. The real criminals, the Dons and the Godfather still walk free. I'm sure few of you can imagine being persecuted and demonized like the Montagues while a whole country watches and says "well thats just terrible" As an example, one of the charges was he had explosives. Gun powder is an explosive. Wouldn't you expect to find gunpowder in a gun shop?

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:58 am

Why do I have the feeling we are dealing with this chicks dad? I have never seen someone so attimate (sp?) about sending $$ to another person who wasnt them.

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:30 am

No Niss, I'm not her father or any relative for that matter. As a matter of fact I have never met the man but would be proud to. I am a citizen of the north with an unblemished criminal record. Wait a sec, I think I had a speeding ticket about six years ago. I have paid a fortune in taxes in my lifetime and am proud to see it spent on the best healthcare in the world, continuous repairs and upgrades to our highways, many services to the disabled and less fortunate and a well respected police force Canada wide. It makes me extremely angry to see billions wasted to oppress the citizenship and attack law abiding families. It also bothers me to see corrupt officials sharing our taxes with their cronies under the table. As I have said, this is exactly how the mafia operates. Just think of the improvements that could be made to this fine country if those billions were spent sensibly. The Canadian people have built a strong government through their taxes. It just makes me sick to see a law abiding countryman persecuted with my unwilling support with my tax dollars. Just because we have one of the best countries in the world doesn't mean we have to stop here. We sent our young people to a war with a bunch of junk to fight with while we waste billions on this idiotic gun registery that will never accomplish anything. As I have said I look hopefully to the future with our new government, Steven won't be able to please everybody but he can't possibly do worse than that last bunch of thieves.

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:18 am

I told a lie. I have met Bruce some years back when he was collecting moose hides from hunters to be tanned and given to our native people to make mitts etc. At the time he was living in his basement and was lifting logs with a block and tackle to build his home. I have also managed to attend one of his court dates to show support. I should do more. So should you.

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:42 am

For niss and anyone else thats in his freedom and rights. Check out a site "jews for the preservation of firearms" Take the time to read a couple of the letters. I'm not a Jew but I admire anyone that stands up for himself.

spooky · Post by **spooky** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:46 am

The long gun registry doesn't work, and it cost billions.
Sounds like a good reason to drop it. Handguns were previously restricted and registered, still are, that's not the issue.
Had the money been spent to four lane the TransCanada Highway from the Manitoba border to Sudbury, that would have saved lives.
And why are Indians exempt from the registry, isn't that racism. Preferential treatment on the basis of race. Smacks of royalty.
The Inuit in Nunavut are exempt as well. Why not exempt us all? Is one race more capable of handling firearms than another?
And let's not compare gun registry to auto registry. I can leave my car in my friend's driveway with the keys in it and not be subject to imprisonment. Never mind, let's not go there.
The viewpoint of the urban people from Upper Canada is that they think their problem is a problem all over Canada. They have a city problem, us rural people don't have the same viewpoint or needs.
You have a problem, pass a bylaw. I need my rifle, that's need. I have bears looking in my window, wolves passing through my yard, and I work on my property away from SWAT teams and telephones.
One bear down south and it's a panic.
Time to shut down the defective, unfixable gun registry.
Listen to Katey, she brings out some good points. Who cares what her age is? If you find misinformation, point it out.
By the way, all my guns are registered. So that some hacker can find them. It's already been done, so don't try to argue that point.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:54 am

Where is the voice of reason?

The gun registry was created for only two reasons; a Liberal make work project to replace federal jobs lost with the closure of the CF base, and to buy votes from the radical feminist movement after the shootings at Ecole Polytechnic in Montreal. There never was, and is not, some grand conspiracy to disarm the populace and impose a tyrannical dictatorship. It is a Liberal creation, run by Liberal hacks, and therefore can not possibly be connected to any sort of grand plan. The Liberals have only had one "plan" in the last three decades, and that is to simply follow wherever polling leads them. The gun registry does not, was not intended to, and never will prevent gun crime in any sort of meaningful way.

Guns have a role as tools for hunting, farming, etc, and for sporting activities. They are not necessary for self-defence in a civilized country such as Canada. Those who cite the US as a great example of an armed society being a safe society should think twice about what they are saying. Personally, I want no part of living in a society where I have to carry a gun to feel, or be, safe. What a fucked-up place that would be!

I suggest that those who think they need guns to protect themselves from the governemnt, criminals, and other boogey men are the very people that a good licencing system should weed out on the basis of their mental illness; paranoia.

spooky · Post by **spooky** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:10 am

Everyone packing heat would be dangerous all right.
But having protection in the home is a good idea.
The gun registry was politically motivated.
The Liberals took up the registry, global warming, Kyoto accord, and then convinced the gullible that these are pressing issues and only the Liberals will pursue them so you must vote Liberal or perish.
Before we blame global warming on mankind, consider that the planet was considerably warmer when the Vikings settled Greenland and Iceland.
Since there were no automobiles back then, it must be Nature's doing.
So maybe Nature is doing it again.
Oh I forgot, Fred Flintstone had a car. Wonder if Al Gore, the inventor of global warming, mentions Fred in his science fiction movie.
Fred had a club too. Wonder if it was registered.

mozart · Post by **mozart** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:10 am

Hmmmm...........a Jew agreeing with the confiscation of guns, thats ironic. Thats the first thing they did to them in Germany. Maybe ness should read a bit of history past and present. He like many, he has fallen for the emotional barf that liberals spew as the truth. They know the populas is too lazy to look for both sides of the arguement. They work with the fact that humans are a herd animal and just want to be part of the mainstream. Easy to manipulate when the media is liberal. The liberals at their recent leadership convention passed a resolution to get all semi automatic guns banned in Canada. They eventually want them all and they are doing it a little at a time. The liberals always used to point to the big bad USA to scare the herd. But they don't now because people would find out the the Carry Conceal Weapon laws are bringing crime rates way down. The Constitution whether Canadian or American is written to protect the people from the government, not the government from the people. The Liberals took away your property rights in 1982, now they want to extinguish the universal right to protect yourself by disarming the population. Katey may be a young lady but she has more balls than any liberal

shimmydampner · Post by **shimmydampner** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:21 am

w squared wrote:Does your car have an airbag, shimmydampener? No legal requirement for it, but it's something that can mitgate the physical harm that you are going to suffer in the unlikely event of a "what if". Carrying a pistol is simply for a different "what if".

Yes my vehicle has an airbag. Unfortunately, that's not a valid comparison to what is being discussed here. Airbags are designed to minimize injury, firearms are designed to maximize injury. Airbags protect you from injury in the event of an accident. The use of a firearm is completely unrelated to that. If airbags is the comparison you want to use, then try wearing a bulletproof vest instead of packing heat.

Try working in LE for a few years and meeting the part of soceity that most of you only watch on TV at night within the walls of your secure house. I did and wont ever forget.

Well I haven't worked in LE but I have lived, worked and spent alot of time on some of the worst reserves in the north. I'm not trying to compare the 2, but most of these places are not exactly nice places to be and not always safe places for an outsider to be. After hearing stories about certain places, there were times when I was concerned for my safety, but had no irrational fear that made me so concerned I felt the need to carry a gun with me.

In Canada it is already illegal to store a weapon loaded. It must be locked up, and the ammo stored separately. So basically in canada if you get mad at someone, you have to go unlock your gun, unlock your ammo, then shoot them, its practically pre-meditated by the time you get to shooting them. I think it is very smart because it gives people a chance to cool down and think and realize the consequences, where as in the states, with a bad temper and gun at your side you might do something you would regret. There is no point in keeping a loaded weapon at home either, because its illegal to defend you home with it and you will end up with charges if you shoot an intruder. (although a very few have gotten away with it)
Now thats all warm and fuzzy, assuming you follow those laws, but in the end I am arguing that when a gun crime is commited in Canada, its gonna happen regardless of the measures. The statistics for other countries that have banned weapons shows no decrease in gun violence, murders or death. It takes the right of law abiders who enjoy sport hunting or shooting, and makes a black illegal market where guns are only used for criminal activity. Violence and suffering are social issues. If you have a horribly behaved child that attackes people with a stick, its not gonna fix the child or the problem if you take the stick away. Typical patch work government fix, realize that there are hurting people with issues and that removing every ounce of danger in the world is unrealistic, impractical and not even close to the solution.

Very well said.

Look at all the people around you....how many of them do you look at and think "Jesus, you are certifiably retarded" now do you want these people packing? What about the guy at the local bar always trying to pick a fight? Do you want him pulling out his glock? Ever checked out a guys hot girlfriend and he kicked your ass? Somepeople will just pull one on ya.

Exactly. There are alot of loose cannons out there and it's been my general observation that a number of them are gun owners. That is in no way meant to say that gun owners are all loose cannons, merely that plenty of loose cannons are gun owners and not people who should be allowed to carry a weapon anywhere other than the middle of the bush.

You're jewish, right? I personally think that the Holocaust would have gone down a lot differently if some of you Jews were carrying concealed in Germany in the 1930's ... the SS would have been a lot more reluctant to bully people, if they thought they were armed.

Well, we have an early front . for biggest stretch of 2007: if the jews had guns, they would have prevented the Holocaust. I don't think I need to point out the ridiculousness of this statement but I just can't help myself. Explain how the Jews, had they been armed with basic weapons, probably hunting rifles, and no combat training, could have staved off the Holocaust and beaten back the Nazi war machine, something that was hard enough for Great Britain, Canada, the US and their allies to do with massive military power?

I can always smell someone from southern Ontario. It sure dosen't take long to convince the people of southern Ontatario (SOCS as we call them) that registering hunting rifles will cure the gang violence on Young Street. When you have millions of people that think northern Canada is Sudbury it shows the fragile mentallity of this country.

I'll bet my next paycheck I could put together a line up of 10 people, 5 from SO and 5 from NO and you wouldn't get more than 3 out of 10 correct. Your posts do nothing but display your incredible ignorance.

Most the power to fight these corrupt bastards is in southern Ontario, but they're such a maudling, appathetic group they sit back and do nothing. We in the north fight as hard as we can but are always outvoted by the SOCS.

Southern Ontario has a population of 11.75 million people; Northern Ontario-800 000. You're using some awfully broad strokes trying to paint a third of this country's population with one brush, don't you think? Besides, maybe you should start thinking about how much those horrible 11.75 million people that live on the wrong side of the imaginary line in your head, contribute to the bottom line of this country, especially when compared to the relative pittance that northern Ontario contributes. I don't live in Ontario but I have lived in both places for long periods of time and would much rather live in Northern Ontario. However, instead of trying to play the all-too-popular northern Ontario martyr, you should open your eyes and look at the reality of the big picture.

I'll say it again, just so no one can accuse me of being anti-gun, I'm not. I like guns. There's nothing I like better than taking my dog for a walk through the bush on a sunny fall day to go blast some chickens, or take out a case of bottles or clays and do a little target shooting. I am not however, living in fear that one day while walking down the street, someone is going to mug me. I am also not paranoid that our government has secret plans to disarm us all and enslave us in a life of servitude. In my mind, those are completely irrational fears and if someone is mentally balanced enough to own a gun, they should not be reasons for it. Not only that, but who in their right mind would actually think that even if we had all the guns we have now, we could actually defend against our own military if the government attempted to enslave us or whatever it is everyone here is so scared of. You'd either have to have zero faith in our military's ability or a real Rambo complex. A good example is Iraq. Even under Saddam, the country was awash with guns, and not the sporting variety. Saddam held parades where citizens marched with their AK-47s and MP5s to show the rest of the world that the average Iraqi was ready to fight. Apparently one of two things was going on. Either Saddam was just not quite brutal enough for his well-armed populice to overthrow him, or it's not just as simple as "if we all have guns no one can enslave us."

Bottom line: there is nothing wrong with legally and responsibly owning and using firearms, but irrational fear and paranoia are the wrong reasons to own guns. Irrational fear, paranoia and distrust of people are symptoms of a paranoid personality disorder, and headcases shouldn't have guns, in my opinion.

mozart · Post by **mozart** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:28 am

Hey Spooky
They all said that in the states too, that if everyone is carrying it will be a blood bath. Just a scare tactic. They say that only 3% of people actually carry. But that is enough to get these criminal punks to mind their manners. The police carry. Are they morally superior to any Canadian you know? The FBI released a stat that said that police use there guns criminally more that the people who are licensed to carry. Go figure. Peels Principals of policing state that the people are the police and the police are the people. They are just the ones paid to help keep the peace. You have some rights to arrest as a citizen yourself.

spooky · Post by **spooky** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:30 am

Just in. Someone phoned the gun registry and asked if he needed to register his heat gun. He was told that the paperwork will be in the mail.
Sounds like a joke. Maybe it is. See what shows up in the mail.