Katey's Firearms Facts

[Hedley]

shimmydamper: so, according to you, all the authors and supporters of the 2nd Amendment to the USA Constitution are all "headcases"?

Boy, you're so smart - you must be SO rich!

Oh. You're not really rich. Maybe you're not so smart, either?

[mozart]

For Shimmeydampner

You state that you have no irrational fears that made you so concerned that you felt the need to carry a gun with you. Well if you have no irrational fears, why are you scared of trained, law abiding, gun carrying citizens of Canada. You are a product of liberal brainwashing. Look, read, study.
Hitler, by controlling the media and information transfer, singled out the Jews, disarmed them and presto genecide. Had the Jews been able to resist, maybe a lot of the German people would not have stood by, they did because it was safer to be a nazi. Maybe a civil war, which it would have been, would have gotten the worlds attention before 6 million were gased.
"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

Buddha: Siddhartha Gautama, Indian Hindu Prince and founder of Buddhism. Born 563 B.C. Died 483 B.C.

[NWONT]

There has never, ever been a gun problem in northern Canada and across the prairies. Everytime that I read a weekend paper in Toronto the front page has another shooting on it. The laws are passed in the south. We sent our elected officials to Ottawa to try to convince the people down there how we live and how our weapons are used. Our guys were sent back with "you either tow the party line or you are finished". What is the purpose of us having representatives to carry our concerns to Ottawa when this is the answer. There is a huge polution problem in the south. The remedy was to come up to the tiny town of Atikokan and shut down a small coal fired generation plant, the only employer left in the area. This in an area where electricity is very expensive and in short supply. Someone showed up in Toronto with a picture of a bear cub and in lightning speed convinced the people of the south that the bear hunt was making orphans of cubs. This was all bullshit but the people of the south pressured the polititions to shut down the hunt. Most of these people wouldn't know a bear from a kangaroo. The blow to the ecomomy of the north was huge. We now have thousands of bears roaming through our towns. We spent $20,000 in our town for bearproof public trash cans. The overpopulation of bears is killing off the moose calves, another blow to our economy. We have the power voting population in the south to thank for all this. Do you still wonder why there is resentment? A while back after the sars epidemic, your mayor was on the tube crying about the loss of tourist dollars and begging people to come back. Well I say its looks good on you. Maybe next time you will take a second to understand the devastating effect your voting power has on the rest of us. You say we are paranoid about gun confiscation? I think Mozart showed that we aren't.

[niss]

Hed, the authors of the 2nd ammendment arent headcases but the people who use it are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_b ... of_America

United States of America
The right to keep and bear arms did not originate fully-formed in the Bill of Rights in 1791; rather, the Second Amendment was the codification of the six centuries old responsibility to keep and bear arms for king and country that was inherited from the English Colonists that settled North America, tracing its origin back to the Assize of Arms of 1181 which occurred during the reign of Henry II. Through being codified in the United States Constitution, the common law right was continued and guaranteed for the People, and statutory law enacted subsequently by Congress cannot extinguish the pre-existing common law right to keep and bear arms.

Second Amendment to the United States Constitution Protects the pre-existing right to keep and bear arms.
“ A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. ”

Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution Provides for unenumerated rights, including implicitly a right to keep and bear arms and a right to have arms for defense.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This was written with the intent to help defend loose colonies or states should the federal forces not be able to do so.

It is an antiquated law, that realistically serves no purpose in todays US relative to its original intent.

Today no one in this continent needs a weapon to ensure that no other empire invades.

The Canadian Forces are just that, an organization funded and ran by the Federal government for the defense of Canada.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/about/index_e.asp

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Canadian Forces members are proud to serve Canada by defending its values, interests and sovereignty at home and abroad.

There is no need to form your own militia to fight off invaders and there is no need to form your own militia to prevent the off chance that you may have to overthrow your government. This isnt a 3rd world country and this isn't 300 years ago. In order for the government to do something that would require them to be forcefully removed (civil war) they would have to gain the support of a little bit less of 100,000.

First off lets ignore the fact that an armed force of 100,000* would have to find a way to supress ~30 000 000 people, and second if they could gain the support of the entire CF they will probably get the support of many civilians too. So realistically it no longer becomes the People vs. the Gov't now its the People vs. the People & the Gov't.

*http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/about/index_e.asp

Canadians are not blind followers, we have the ability to think for ourselves, I have a hard time believeing (due to the numbers in our military, police, etc.) that Canada is even capable of being a facist dictatorship with full support of the armed branches.

[niss]

What is the purpose of us having representatives to carry our concerns to Ottawa when this is the answer.

Whats the purpose of voting for an MP whos party you agree with when there is an increasing chance that they will jump ship like those before them?

Your point IMHO is moot. There is ~1 MP per 100 000 people. Not everyone in the riding is going to be happy with that MP or what he stands for. Further more there are 308 MP in parliment, these MPs are divided into caucuses. There are whips in these cacuses who force MPs to vote the same way (Except in the oh so rare free vote like the one that was dug up again about same sex marriages) so MP at one point or another has to vote for something he/she doesnt believe/agree with. Its the shitty part of democracy, but democracy by nature is a system where the people and numbers rule, and the fact that the population density of NO is no where nere the pop. density of SO means that you guys have much less pull, so if you want to do something to improve the odds of your ideas/needs making a differance, i suggest you move to a much more densly populated area....or take your hunting rifle and overthrow the government.

[Redwine]

A Neo-Conservative is a Liberal who's been mugged.

[shimmydampner]

shimmydamper: so, according to you, all the authors and supporters of the 2nd Amendment to the USA Constitution are all "headcases"?

Boy, you're so smart - you must be SO rich!

Oh. You're not really rich. Maybe you're not so smart, either?

I never said anything about the authors of the of the 2nd amendment. I don't know if they had irrational fears or not. Under their circumstances however, fears they did have probably stemmed from other countries trying to exercise their will over an infant nation. Far from a government having some secret agenda to enslave their own population, and much more justifiable, although not entirely relevant today.
I'm not sure I follow the logic that equates intelligence and financial standing, but maybe you know something I don't, so if that's the case you're right, I'm far from rich and therefore must be stupid. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have the fancy car/bike/boat/bi-plane. I guess I'll just have to be satisfied with doing what I love while surrounded by great friends.

You state that you have no irrational fears that made you so concerned that you felt the need to carry a gun with you. Well if you have no irrational fears, why are you scared of trained, law abiding, gun carrying citizens of Canada. You are a product of liberal brainwashing. Look, read, study.

I'm not scared of trained, law abiding gun carrying citiens of Canada. And I'm not a Liberal or a product of liberal brainwashing. I do look read and study and I urge you to do the same, while not jumping to conclusions about people you know nothing about.

The blow to the ecomomy of the north was huge.

So was the softwood lumber dispute. I know, I was living there at that time. The economic effect of the bear hunt cancellation was a drop in the bucket compared to the softwood issue. Didn't even register on the radar screen. Maybe you should be jumping up and down about that one and quit trying to crucify yourself and everyone else in NWO to make southern Ontario look like the bad guys.

Niss, good on you man. At least there's still a small shred of common sense on here.

[ei ei owe]

I was just waiting for that chick to show her boobs. What a let down....

[mozart]

The liberals took the Montague home under the Proceeds of Crime law. They are permitted to live in it , but cannot get a mortgage to have money to fight in court. Oops there goes a couple more freedoms, free speech and a fair trial.
This Supreme Court Challenge is it. You cannot take something to the supreme court a second time to re argue it. It costs money.
Chq is made out to. Bruce Montague Scrap C68 fund
C/O D Nordlund
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Dryden, Ontario
P8N 2Y5

[NWONT]

The whole purpose of this thread is going astray. There is a man battling a tyranical government alone. We are a minority up here. We have no control over our destiny. The people of the south hold all the power. Before you vote on issues such as gun control, bear hunting, enviormental regulations, etc, take the time to do some research and understand the impact. There was a billboard in southern Ontario a while back with a dog with a fish hook in his mouth. The caption read "if you wouldn't do this to a dog, why do it to a fish". There must be a lot of people stupid enough to fall for this crap cause someone paid much money to put this up. When us northerners see this we are just waiting to hear "the people of southern Ontario have spoken, fishing is banned like bear hunting". I know there are plenty of sportsmen in the south because about three million show up here the first week of moose season. You can't even find a place to park in the bush. A friend was told by a southerner that locals shouldn't be allowed in the bush for the first week. That should be for southerners only. This is our life. This subject has been beat to death. If you have pride in yourself as a Canadian and a gun owner. Show some support for a man who may go to prison and lose everything he has worked for even though he has to date never broken a law. You never know who is next to lose his freedoms. Like I said before, Catdriver is a good example. A lifetime of aviation experience has been ground into the dirt under the jack boot of some bureaucrat. Just think of the knowledge gained in all those years that could be passed on. Just think of the asset he could be to a flying school full of fresh young aviators. What a shame.

[shimmydampner]

How have his rights of free speech and fair trial been violated?

NWONT please shut up about the north vs south thing. It has nothing to do with this issue, and besides that you obviously don't know a damn thing about the people of southern Ontario.

[NWONT]

EI EI OWE, that was disgusting. shimmydamper, nice avatar, shows a guy floating around with his head in the clouds.

[mozart]

Has anyone read the Firearms Act. Do you realize section 91 states that it is illegal to own a firearm in Canada. Yes illegal. The only way around it is to have a licence. It was written this way to confiscate all guns in Canada. Don't even need a vote in the House of Commons, a liberal government can do it through Order in Councel. First is was the short barrel handguns, they have already been confiscated. Liberals have passed a resolution to confiscate all semi automatics. Case you don't know, many hunters have them.
Next there will be a crime with a pump action, which will quickly be demonized by the liberal media, and oops those will be gone too. This minimizes vote loss and creates mainstream idealism,{read brainwashing}Anyone who may get a chance to rebut is made to be seen as an extremist. Welcome to Canada. [Read Katie Montague]
There are some posts here that claim that Canada would never be a facist state or that nothing like that would ever happen here. Well, why don't you tell us what it will be like when only the government is armed. If nothing is every going to change for the worse in Canada, why is the Government so interested in disarming us?

[spooky]

Let's get back to the basics.
What did the long gun registry accomplish?
How was it to be accomplished? Registration? Register all guns?
So why exempt some?
Now what did the registering of the guns accomplish? Two Billion dollars wasted.
That's an accomplishment?
That last nut down east used registered guns. So how did the registry help there?
Murders and robberies are being carried out with unregistered guns.
Seems that criminals don't always register their guns.
Now what will the registry do about the unregistered guns?
Only one thing scares me worse than a Liberal with a registered gun.
That's a Liberal with my tax money.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Bruce Montague came on the scene as a gunsmith and his trade was fixing guns. I think he was told to do background checks on everyone bringing a gun in and every gun brought in. Using the registry that is so corrupt that it's useless?

Think of how many MRIs and other medical equipment that 2 billion could have bought. That would have accomplished something at least.

[niss]

Think of how many MRIs and other medical equipment that 2 billion could have bought. That would have accomplished something at least.

Gun Registry is Federal, health care is provincial. Besides, the $1.5 Billion surplus the federal government realised in 2004-2005 and the Federal government recorded a $13.5 Billon surplus in 2006 (its 9th federal surplus in a row). They could have better spent all that money too....but they didn't.

[shimmydampner]

EI EI OWE, that was disgusting. shimmydamper, nice avatar, shows a guy floating around with his head in the clouds.

Oh no, don't insult the avatar, that hurts! Ahh....eeesh!

[Andy Hamilton]

Hed, the authors of the 2nd ammendment arent headcases but the people who use it are.

It is an antiquated law, that realistically serves no purpose in todays US relative to its original intent.

Today no one in this continent needs a weapon to ensure that no other empire invades.

The Canadian Forces are just that, an organization funded and ran by the Federal government for the defense of Canada.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/about/index_e.asp[/url]

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Canadian Forces members are proud to serve Canada by defending its values, interests and sovereignty at home and abroad.

There is no need to form your own militia to fight off invaders and there is no need to form your own militia to prevent the off chance that you may have to overthrow your government. This isnt a 3rd world country and this isn't 300 years ago. In order for the government to do something that would require them to be forcefully removed (civil war) they would have to gain the support of a little bit less of 100,000.

First off lets ignore the fact that an armed force of 100,000* would have to find a way to supress ~30 000 000 people, and second if they could gain the support of the entire CF they will probably get the support of many civilians too. So realistically it no longer becomes the People vs. the Gov't now its the People vs. the People & the Gov't.

*http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/about/index_e.asp

Canadians are not blind followers, we have the ability to think for ourselves, I have a hard time believeing (due to the numbers in our military, police, etc.) that Canada is even capable of being a facist dictatorship with full support of the armed branches.

The US National Guard earlier this week was repelled from the Mexican border by armed attackers. They are not allowed to fire on civillians, so retreat was their only option. So the Minutemen (civillian militia) now stands armed with the Gaurd in order to provide protection.[url]

It is all about self protection (see my previous post). When arrows and swords were the weapons of the day, the strong skilled men had the power. Weaker individuals could not defend against that. The advent of firearms and less lethal weapons (pepper spray) has changed the playing field, and provided a common denominator. Canada as a whole is a peaceful place, but the government should not take away our ability to defend ourselves. Although that is what the criminals would like. Removing all weapons, or limiting firearms, will not reduce violent crimes and rapes, that is evident in the UK and Australia. I have a great deal of respect for the Police and Military, but realistically, there is a strong chance they will not show up in time to stop a crime. The will investigate and arrest the individual. That leaves me, my wife, or son and daughter to find for ourselves

[niss]

So what your advocating is instead of relying on Law Enforcemnet and the military, we are to resort to good old fasioned vigilantism? Society forms groups, do you think governments happened by accident? Look at the situation in Somalia, and Afghanistan you had the government fall and the people took it upoin themselves to defend themselves, this lead to warlords and battling factions.

People need structure, one way or another there will be governments and organizations of some sort. If you give everyone a weapon, and leave it up to everyone to defend themselves do you know what is going to happen? Were going to have a lot less control, and alot more people shot.

[Cat Driver]

" Catdriver is a good example. A lifetime of aviation experience has been ground into the dirt under the jack boot of some bureaucrat. Just think of the knowledge gained in all those years that could be passed on. Just think of the asset he could be to a flying school full of fresh young aviators. What a shame. "

I am not alone, I know of at least three others in this region who lost more than I did.

My MP admitted he is powerless to help, because he is told what to do in Ottawa.

The only answer is to get to the top, the minister responsible and get the questions asked in parliament....almost impossible to do because we are only individuals...we have no protection in the final analysis from corrupt officials.

That may be why they do not want us armed.....but the truth is getting arms is simple..selling and buying illegal wepons is big business.

[Andy Hamilton]

No that is not what I said, vigilantism is individuals taking the law into their own hands, seeking out criminals and dealing with them. That is a job for the police. I am talking about being able to defend yourself when the police are not there to protect you. I believe in and support our government and Law Enforcement. I am talking about self protection. If a woman feels safe carrying pepper spray, or firearm I think she should have the right. If it is used in a criminal offense than that person will be dealt with criminally. Do you feel we should not be able to protect ourselves if required? That women who are raped or murdered because they cannot defend themselves is worth it because the weapons may be used by criminals? I see nothing wrong with proper training, background checks, and testing.

[I_Drive_Planes]

So what your advocating is instead of relying on Law Enforcemnet and the military,

If I am to rely on Law Enforcement to protect me does that mean that if I am assaulted or robbed I can sue the RCMP or Municipal Police? If I am expected to rely upon them for protection then they should provide the same or better level of protection that I could provide for myself if I were able to defend myself in the most reliable manner possible (i.e. carrying a firearm).

I fail to understand why what I keep in my safe (actually my safe is full, I have a couple in my closet, properly secured of course) or wear on my belt is anybody's business but my own. As long as I am not causing harm to anyone else then why should I be restricted from owning certain items, or have to report which items I own? To me my firearms are like any other item, like tools in my shop or my toaster oven, and I don't think that they need special consideration.

A firearm is not some magical evil thing, its just a chunk of steel and wood. I really don't understand why this is even an issue.

Planes

[still_bluenoser]

Any accurate paper on communism will tell you that in order for it to work, you must disarm the people.



I love my 303 britt!

Oh yea and it isn't registered. But it is in a locked case, without its bolt, and away from its ammunition, And I am fully qualified to purchase, and own a long gun.

BUT! none of my references were contacted before I was issued a FAC, and I don't believe that any of that Kim vir Gill guys were either. (pardon the spelling)

[xsbank]

Thank you Planes - its really not all that difficult, is it?

Liberals tax everything, somehow. They were overjoyed when they found they could parlay a non-existing-event (gun-abuse), into a tax windfall. The Conservatives have discovered that we won't pay, its costing money, so they are removing the long guns before there is civil disobedience.

My handgun was fully registered years before it became a problem to own one. I have some long guns I own, which I have no real interest in shooting anymore, but because the government decided I can't have them, I will never give them up.

[Siddley Hawker]

Part of the gun registry law states that the police can enter your residence and/or work place without a search warrant if they believe you have unregistered firearms on the property. That should blow the argument that the gun registry and the requirement to register a motor vehicle are somehow equal, out of the water. When was the last time the cops came knocking on the door because you had your old man's '67 Camaro up on blocks in the back yard?

Does anyone know if anyone has ever been charged under the illegal firearms possession law? Remember a few years ago when some old guy demonstrated on Parliament Hill carrying an unlicensed 30/30? The cops took his gun away but he was never charged with an offence. The cops weren't crazy. They knew very well the guy would have gone straight to the Supreme Court on the search and entry clause and the entire gun registry law would have been thrown out because that clause violates the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[Jimmy Mack]

Has anyone read the Firearms Act. Do you realize section 91 states that it is illegal to own a firearm in Canada.

Electronic Filing
SECTION 91.
Electronic filing
91. (1) Subject to the regulations, notices and documents that are sent to or issued by the Registrar pursuant to this or any other Act of Parliament may be sent or issued in electronic or other form in any manner specified by the Registrar.
Time of receipt
(2) For the purposes of this Act and Part III of the Criminal Code, a notice or document that is sent or issued in accordance with subsection (1) is deemed to have been received at the time and date provided by the regulations.
S.C. 1995, c. 39, s. 91, in force December 1, 1998 (SI/98-95).

Have YOU read the Firearms Act?