question for apprentice

borvaprops · Post by **borvaprops** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:47 pm

I am going to finish my 1st year in May and have a summer job lined at a small M1 shop. Now the shop is not an approved AMO but the owner has an AME license can I still do my apprenticeship there and earn time towards my 30 month apprentice period?
Does the owner of the shop needs to get in touch with TC telling them about me apprenticing there or all I need is a generic log book that he can sign tasks off and I will use that to prove to TC that the apprenticeship happened?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

airplanenut66 · Post by **airplanenut66** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:47 pm

Gidday, You do not need to work for an AMO in order to count tasks and time towards your apprentiship time. However some things to be sure to get. Get an AME Log book published by Transport Canada. This book will have all of the current items that Transport Canada requires to present to them showing enough tasks completed. Ensure that every day you have the licenced engineer signoff any applicable tasks that you have done, I would not let this go more than one week at a time. Here is why, you forget what you have done 2,3,4 weeks later and you have to go researching to figure out what you did. Get into the habit of filling in daily. I have apprentices coming to me when they are close to getting there licence asking me to signoff a 100 items( I also end up telling them about some of the items that they could have got signoff but missed to enter), it annoys me because I give them the same spiel as I am giving you. Make sure that the AME also signs with his name on his licence and puts his licence number in. I have had some logs come back from different TC offices saying My name with my Company Inspectors stamp was not acceptable without my licence number beside. The last thing is make sure that the AME will give you a letter stating how long you have worked for him, and what your general duties were. This is necessary to verify time to Transport Canada and most places have no problem doing this. I hope this all helps, keep reading your study material, ask questions, admit to mistakes and try hard. Best of luck!

borvaprops · Post by **borvaprops** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:20 pm

airplanenut66:

Thanks for the info, that was exactly what I wanted to hear. The log book is the "red book" that aviation world sells correct?

Again, thanks for info

skydrolboy · Post by **skydrolboy** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:42 pm

borvaprops wrote:airplanenut66:

The log book is the "red book" that aviation world sells correct?

That's correct, Transport no longer publishes log books, so Aviation World started publishing their own and the put in all the current tasks that TC wants to see.

Also don't bother writing in other tasks into the log book unless you really want to as TC doesn't accept them, they only look at the tasks that they want completed.

If you want to print out your own logbook click the link below, TC will accept it in this form but personally i would buy the logbook from Aviation World

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/maint ... Rating.htm

borvaprops · Post by **borvaprops** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:55 am

Thanks for the help again. One more quick question, is it possible to start logging tasks while at school? My summer boss asked me if I wanted to start now on the weekends. will I be able to counts those hours and tasks towards my apprenticeship while still in school?

thanks

nighthawk · Post by **nighthawk** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:49 pm

Jungle Jim · Post by **Jungle Jim** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:50 pm

What you and your employer have to do is to get in touch with the Ministry of Education. They administer apprenticeships in Ontario. Once you are registered as an apprentice they will purchase a spot with an appropriate college to do your trade school time. It's usually an 8 week stretch. They also will supply you with an "Apprenticeship Training Standards Manual" for yor trade. This manual outlines everything that you must learn and there are spots for your AME to sign off on with respect to each task that you have become proficient in. Remember you are not an apprentice until you are legally registered with the Ministry of Education. This is important since the first trade school stint comes at the end of the first year of being registered. If you wait they will not count your time and you could end up doing the first trade school after say two years of work experience but only get credit for one year.

Good luck,

Jim

gli77 · Post by **gli77** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:16 pm

Does anyone know what Jungle Jim is talking about? Have the rules changed?

It sounds to me like he is talking about a restricted skilled trade like an electrician. I don't know of any apprentice who has registered with the Ministry of Education, I know I did not when I finished college.

Unless things have really changed that post seems quite wrong and misleading to the original poster.

hoptwoit · Post by **hoptwoit** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:43 pm

I seem to remember talking about this and guess what?.

Ontario is taking steps toward certification and accreditation of the appreticeship process for the AME. Don't know if they are as far along as Jungle Jim says they are, are but it's about time. Hope they are going to make it a restricted trade. That would be one that you have to be signed up with the apprenticeship board in order to count your time.
Can you shed any light on this Jim?

Hear that Gli we get to be Hairstylists after all!!!!!

GoWrench · Post by **GoWrench** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:40 am

1 more tid bit about your apprentiship. You as an apprentice are entitled to write off any tools you buy up to $10,000 CAD TOTAL DURING your apprentiship. I don't remember which revenue canada form you need to fill out to make you claim, but you CAN LEGALLY write off you tools. Your employer will have to sign off on the form that you needed to buy these tools to perform your work.
Cheers and good luck.

PS I would suggest you don't make any claims for tools until you have some income to claim against. Just make sure you keep all your receipts and catalog them.

kilpicki · Post by **kilpicki** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:25 am

I also think JJ is off the mark on this.

Your AME licence is a Federal licence not Provincial so a Provincial Education board does not come into play here.

borvaprops · Post by **borvaprops** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:39 pm

Everyone thanks for all the info. I spoke with Milks (CARS) expert at centennial and he cleared some things up. You do not need to register with the board of education.
As for the tools, thanks for the heads up I'll keep that in mind for the future. Cant wait to start turning some wrenches!!

Thanks again

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