Voyageur Airways

PeteThePilot · Post by **PeteThePilot** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:48 pm

Do you know what AC and Jazz are paying their pilots to fly jets? 24K is a sweet deal especially now that the guys in those positions are 1500 hour instructors.

Timone123 · Post by **Timone123** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:19 am

PeteThePilot wrote:Do you know what AC and Jazz are paying their pilots to fly jets? 24K is a sweet deal especially now that the guys in those positions are 1500 hour instructors.

You still need 500 Multi PIC or close to it before you get your 24K "sweet deal". If you have 1500 and 500 MPIC then you can now find way better opportunities out there than 24K.
Your comparison to AC and Jazz is totally inappropriate. There is no comparison. Sure you get paid relative peanuts, but it's short term pain for long term gain. My understanding is that your pay is only frozen for two years with AC and after that it goes up substantially. I dont know about the Dashes at Voyageur, but I have heard that there are no yearly raises on the King Air. Comparing Voyageur to AC is like comparing driving a Pony to driving a Boxter. Yes they are both cars, but one is waaaaay............
I know that 24K is going to sound sweet to an instructor making 15K, but he/she has to look at the big picture. It's just the kind of short-sightedness that companies take advantage of.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:44 pm

Disco Stu wrote:Everyone loved to bash JetsGo about their training bond when they were around.

How about the one at Voyageur? $15000, 1 year. YOU MAKE ALL THE PAYMENTS YOURSELF and they give you your $15000 plus the interest from a shitty GIC if you stick around for the 1 year from your PPC date.

Nice!

Just wanted to remind you of this.

Worse than JetsGo. Why the uproar then and not now???

DAVE THE RAVE · Post by **DAVE THE RAVE** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:37 am

1500 hours TT, 500 MPIC to be an FO on the KingAir. My friend got a left seat on the B737 without even 500 MPIC. Think he had about 100 MPIC!

stevewilson · Post by **stevewilson** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:18 am

This has probably been pointed out before, but the 500 MPIC requirement is for all the contract work they have. The government sets the bar there for Captains, and you are upgraded very fast, so they need you to be ready to go.

Timone123 · Post by **Timone123** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:03 pm

stevewilson wrote:This has probably been pointed out before, but the 500 MPIC requirement is for all the contract work they have. The government sets the bar there for Captains, and you are upgraded very fast, so they need you to be ready to go.

The Government does indeed set the bar. What companies like Voyageur need to realize is that they are going to have to pay fair wages to attract those qualifications. Well at least those that are of upgradable quality. Another thing they can do is have a contract instead of the training bond, but that just might be too sensible.

goldeneagle · Post by **goldeneagle** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:33 pm

Timone123 wrote:
stevewilson wrote:This has probably been pointed out before, but the 500 MPIC requirement is for all the contract work they have. The government sets the bar there for Captains, and you are upgraded very fast, so they need you to be ready to go.
The Government does indeed set the bar. What companies like Voyageur need to realize is that they are going to have to pay fair wages to attract those qualifications. Well at least those that are of upgradable quality. Another thing they can do is have a contract instead of the training bond, but that just might be too sensible.

I really dont think you have any clue how big the applications pile is at a place like voyageur. Thier conditions for hiring will change when the market forces them to change. As long as there is a thousand resume's on file from folks begging for the chance to go fly the planes, no need to change anything.

Have you done your bit to change that, have you removed your resume from the pile ? If all the young low timers stopped sending resumes to every operator listed in various publications, maybe, then just maybe, things would change. Somehow, i doubt that's gonna happen tho....

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:56 pm

I wouldn't get into a 737 if I knew the captain had less than 500MPIC! What a joke!

. . · Post by **. .** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:54 pm

Doc: You better not fly WJ or AC then. There are skippers are both who got the left seat with less than 500 multi command.

DAVE THE RAVE · Post by **DAVE THE RAVE** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:35 pm

Doc...Maybe you are the joke!!! In Europe it's the norm. Hmm Lets see... young pilot finishes flight school with 250 hrs total then moves into the right seat of a nice B-737. 3-4 years in the right seat 3-4000 hrs total and on type then they are in the left seat. It's the little small minds like yours that keep Canada the aviation cess pool it is.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:36 pm

Well Dave...that's a horse of a different colour! Of course a guy can slide across after a bunch of right seat time on type....just you dont usually get a right seat with less than 500MPIC...at least not here? And not on a transport jet?

PeteThePilot · Post by **PeteThePilot** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:24 pm

You still need 500 Multi PIC or close to it before you get your 24K "sweet deal". If you have 1500 and 500 MPIC then you can now find way better opportunities out there than 24K.
Your comparison to AC and Jazz is totally inappropriate. There is no comparison. Sure you get paid relative peanuts, but it's short term pain for long term gain. My understanding is that your pay is only frozen for two years with AC and after that it goes up substantially. I dont know about the Dashes at Voyageur, but I have heard that there are no yearly raises on the King Air. Comparing Voyageur to AC is like comparing driving a Pony to driving a Boxter. Yes they are both cars, but one is waaaaay............
I know that 24K is going to sound sweet to an instructor making 15K, but he/she has to look at the big picture. It's just the kind of short-sightedness that companies take advantage of.

You are only required to have the 500 MPIC to be Captain on the MOH contract airplanes BTW. So there is a lot of flying you can do without it (including the Dash). And the comparison is totally appropriate for guys with a lot of time who have had to go to Jazz and take a huge pay cut in order to "get in the system". It will be the same for guys going to VAL or BS or GN from instructing. They will have to bite the bullet to get their time up or bide their time. There are no raises on the King Airs but it comes with the upgrade so if you upgrade in a year (VERY possible) you can go from 24K to 36K or 55K depending on base (King Air). If you get on the Dash you go to 36K right away and there are no special requirements for that. You will be way ahead of the game in the short term at VAL since you now have the choice of King Air 100, 200, Dash-7, Dash-8 or RJ. On top of that the overseas contracts pay more dough as well. It will be awhile before any Jazz or AC FO's are making 55k+ and possibly even longer for left seats. Having said that, when the smoke clears you are still at a Tier 3 type operator and if thats not where you want to be, then leave or don't go I guess.

chu me · Post by **chu me** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:10 pm

Why is everyone so angry at each other? We have all said something that is or might sound stupid. No reason to be pissed.

ajet32 · Post by **ajet32** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:05 am

Ladies and gentlemen and Doc, if you hate it so much then don't come and work here. The folks on the CRJ and the DAsh7,8 on the west coast all had fun and got paid industry standard for starting positions. We have fun and sure there are problems , find a growing 705 operations that doesn't have them and I would be surprised.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:31 am

desksgo wrote:Funny I always think of this:

Oh wait, that's voyeur! My english, is, how you say, not so best.

Me too

I know a guy who use to work there....I didn't know he was into that kinda stuff

fougner · Post by **fougner** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:44 pm

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:16 pm

anyone else have any info on the dash 8 pay out there? and other info related to contracts in Africa?

Timone123 · Post by **Timone123** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:55 pm

fougner wrote:A lot of talk about first year pay. What about year 2? Curious about the Africa Dash 8 pay. Do many people stick around for a second tour?

I understand not too many stick around. Gone as soon as the bond is up. Dont know bout 2nd year pay raise on the Dash, but the way they operate I seriously doubt it. Also no pay raise ever on the King Air in YYB. Slave driver forever. Have fun & good luck!!!

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:05 am

Do they have a bond on the Dash 8? And I am guessing you have to do your time in Africa before you can get on the Mt. Tremblant sched?

Jimmy Hoffa · Post by **Jimmy Hoffa** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:11 am

So if i read this right ... You have to put up 15k up front ... make the payments yourself .. and all you get back is the 15k+ the G.I.C. interest?

THATS BS!!
1yr Loan of 15K is going to be around 9% interest
1yr 15k G.I.C. is around 3%

IE. You're paying ... PAYING (not getting it back) to work for this company ...

all i have to say is WOW ....

Disco Stu
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:04 am Post subject:
Everyone loved to bash JetsGo about their training bond when they were around.

How about the one at Voyageur? $15000, 1 year. YOU MAKE ALL THE PAYMENTS YOURSELF and they give you your $15000 plus the interest from a shitty GIC if you stick around for the 1 year from your PPC date.

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:57 am

I spoke to a guy last night and he said he was only paying 1500? I think they have him a bit confused....once again another negative comment on this group.

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:35 pm

Man thats a complicated bond system.....doesnt seem worth it to the bank.....works out to about 500 bucks to the employee.....all seems kinda weird.

Just charge him 500 on day one!

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:07 pm

Any Voyaguer guys or perspective ones out there, please PM me I have an Interview coming up.

Does Nick V.E still work there?

qc · Post by qc » Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:07 pm

Some of the talk sounds a bit conflicting. I called the CP and got the facts straight.

The bond ain't what you guys say!

I have an interview next week.

Nightflight · Post by **Nightflight** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:00 am

qc wrote:Some of the talk sounds a bit conflicting. I called the CP and got the facts straight.

The bond ain't what you guys say!

I have an interview next week.

FYI this is what I had for my bond when I worked there not too long ago. I was on the King Air in YYB. I had to get a loan from CIBC for $8000 and give it to VAL to hold for 1 year. They arrange the meeting between you and the bank and they put the money in a GIC. I was responsible for making monthly interest payments on the loan which worked out to about $40 per month. At the end of the year VAL pays back CIBC and you get whatever interest the GIC made. In my case it was about $140 total. The bond is not prorated so if you leave a year minus a day, you are SOL. Also as far as I know the bond on the Dash works the same way. I think the amount is 14K, at least that is what it was for internal movement on to the Dash.
Also as an FO I made 24K and 36K when I got upgraded to the left side. Biggest reason I left as soon as I could.
Hope this clears up the confusion.

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