Gear up Landing at YQM

Crispy3M · Post by **Crispy3M** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:25 pm

Just saw my first Gear Up Landing!

Local Charter Company could not get the gear down so they came in Gear Up and made a beautiful belly landing.

Congrats to the Pilots for doing a fantastic job. All crew and Passengers walked away without a scratch.

Crispy

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:36 pm

What kind of plane was it?

CD · Post by CD » Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:14 pm

Charter plane makes belly landing
WebPosted Aug 5 2004 04:07 PM ADT

MONCTON, N.B. — A small plane carrying three passengers from Halifax made an emergency landing on its belly Thursday.

The Piper Chieftain, owned by the charter airline Prince Edward Air, was on its way to Charlottetown when the pilot reported a problem; an indicator light showed the landing gear wasn't working.

The plane was diverted to Moncton, where it circled the airport several times before landing around 1:45 p.m.

"There was a full emergency response. The airport activated its emergency plan and there were no injuries from anyone from the aircraft," says Chris Farmer, director of operations at the Greater Moncton International Airport.

"Right now the aircraft is in the process of being recovered from the runway, where it will go back to the maintenance hangar at Prince Edward Air."

The three passengers were soon on their way to Charlottetown in another plane.

The Transportation Safety Board is investigating what happened. The plane is being repaired and could be back in the air as early as next week.

LT · Post by LT » Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:01 pm

Wheels on the bus go round and round.

Wheels on the plane go up and down...

Crispy3M · Post by **Crispy3M** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:48 am

Capt. S&J

I've always felt "boastful asshole" fit you quite nicely...

That's a joke!

In all seriousness, wouldn't the standard be to contact your maintenance crew after exhausting all pilot fixes and maybe even a quick call to Piper? They had some time...

I'm sure it's happened, but I would think an intentional belly landing with passengers on board would not be an option unless every other possible fix had first been tried.

The radio this morning has reported a Hydraulic Fluid Leak as the cause of the incident; however, you know how accurate the news can be.

In any event, everyone walked away.

Regards,

Crispy

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:57 pm

Did you know that you can do a gear up in a Cheiftain and not mark a propeller. A company I worked for bought a Chieftain from a company in Ontario and they did just that without touching the props. If they are stopped with a blade straight up, all 3 blades will clear. If the uplocks will not release, you are hooped. I also saw a chap who wanted to save the props on a C310 so he feathered both but forgot that without the drag of the gear and props, the airplane will glide, like right to the end of the runway. A go-around with both feathered is a bit tricky.

stinkershot · Post by **stinkershot** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:05 pm

Wow that must be a record. I heard that this is atleast their 5th gear up in about 5 years. I wonder if TC is going to be looking into this one a little closer than the last 4. I guess CL left in a nick of time.

The_Devils_Advocate · Post by **The_Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:09 pm

stinkershot wrote:Wow that must be a record. I heard that this is atleast their 5th gear up in about 5 years. I wonder if TC is going to be looking into this one a little closer than the last 4. I guess CL left in a nick of time.

On 5 different machines or have there been a few repeats? That can't be cheap!

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:48 am

I know that some of them were caused by our good friend and yours,

" PILOT ERROR ".

I hate that guy!

stinkershot · Post by **stinkershot** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:00 am

I heard that it was 3 Navajos and 2 Beech 99. I wonder if this will hurt their contracts. The customers must be atleast a little worried now.

low n over · Post by **low n over** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:26 am

where did CL go to ? I used to work with him up north.

yodan · Post by **yodan** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:01 pm

CS&J: had you reversed the order of your post, you would have looked a little more intelligent; but you got it right on the second "flyby".

The Captain's first concern when re-routed to YQM was about his pasengers. After the "paperwork" was settled the same crew took another PA31 and flew the customers to destination. This was, by the way, at the requrest of the customers.

I'd say the crew knew the system well enough and, since most TSB reports cite Pilot Error anyway, kudos to the crew for Pilot No-Errors and a job well done

Spinner · Post by **Spinner** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:12 pm

Chris is up in Deer Lake working as DOM for NAT. A cushy corporate job or so I hear. He usually peruses the forums here.

BTW the last failure was mechanical, they did loose all their fluid and the pilots did a Heck of a job with the landing. Maybe this will cut out a little speculation.

jetblast · Post by **jetblast** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:39 am

....when you say it was at the customers request...you dont know that as fact do you...no...you talked to your buddy in the ho and he told you....so that diddy means nothing.....I bet its more likely that the company said they would do the charter for free and the next 10 as well just to keep them around...thats more likely...so dont bullshit me...dont try to defend the company just cause your friend works there....now someone tell me why TC called it pil.ot error.

That is so bullshit. You complain that yodan is "protecting" the company because "his buddy" who flies the ho works their and you come and say that your buddy from TC is telling you pilot error. Where you in the plane ??? Are you working for that company ??? Where you the customer ???

No.

Then shut your trap.

Let the investigation go threw and you, and all the rest of us then read the report later on this year on next year in the next installement of the Aviation Safety Letter.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:15 am

cpt sweet'njuicy wrote:
.....or im a boastfull asshole and I have no idea what im talking about ...

cpt sweet'njuicy wrote:...yeah thats kinda what im saying too...somebody said TC called it pilot error..I want to know why..if anyone knows that is...everyones a fuking hero right off the bat in this place if they have a problem with the plane...

Since reviewing the thread, and discovering that the only one who mentioned 'TC calling it pilot error

' was you there SNJ, then I can at least agree on your first statement.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:21 am

Was one of the pilots initials GW by any chance?

nightrunner · Post by **nightrunner** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:14 am

Wally3Wheels · Post by **Wally3Wheels** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:12 am

The guys did know the system...there was a fractured line coming off the power pack!! All the fluid pissed out in the nose! The cracked line was in such a position that all hydraulic fluid was lost!

They DID consult with maintenance, they DID try all your solutions cpt sweet'njuicy "boastfull asshole" and then tried some other ones! NO LUCK!

If there's no fluid in the system...the gear's not coming down!

They DID do a GREAT JOB! and the was NO PILOT ERROR!

The crew and passengers continued on by the request of the passengers...not the company, as the company already provided a relief crew!

The TSB has released the crew of any liability/shortcomings/error!!

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

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Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:52 pm

nightrunner wrote:No GW flying at that time. If it's the same GW I'm thinking of, he moved on over a year ago.

The GW I am thinking of is still there, ex metro FO.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:18 pm

Hey! My initials are GW! But I don't have a multi rating.... yet.

-istp

yodan · Post by **yodan** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:28 pm

CSNJ. Not only are you a shit disturber, but you're also ignorant. I also have time on the Navajo ( over 2000 hours of it in the north). That's only one of the 52 different types of airplanes in my log book. You also assumed the origin of my information (we all know the definition of assume!)The information I received was directly from the Chief Pilot, because my aircraft was on contract with them during that period of time.

Secondly to the rest of you who misinterpreted my words, I said WITH SARCASM, that most TSB reports use the escape answer of "pilot error" it was nice to see that there was NO PILOT ERROR. Are we all clear on this.

Lastly, it was not a relief crew, it was the same crew at the request of the customers.

YOU TOO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

Wally3Wheels · Post by **Wally3Wheels** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:06 am

Hello Yodan,

I guess I should of finished my statement, the company did supply a relief crew...but they weren't used, by the choice of the active crew members and customer.

How was the ride home? I didn't realize you were laying over on the way through QM or I would of got together for breakfast with you guys.

Cheers.

yodan · Post by **yodan** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:51 am

W3W,

No problem, aviation is a small world so I'm sure it can still happen; besides, it's always good to go back to "God's " country

Cheers

Gear up Landing at YQM

Gear up Landing at YQM

Charter plane makes belly landing

Reply to Capt. S & J

PA31 in YQM

To much speculation

PA31 YQM.

PA31 @ CYQM