harv's air

foxtrot fox · Post by **foxtrot fox** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:28 am

Hello all,
Does anyone know and have recent informations about this school?

Thanks. Foxtrot

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:31 am

Good school. This time of year, however, bring your long underwear.

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:55 am

Compeletly the opposite.... Harv's is flying probably about 5 days out of a week. All the instructors are very professional and can offer bilingual training.

When it gets to be about -20 there is nothing but blue sky. Too cold for there to be any water in the air.

Give em a call and see what they say

gowest · Post by **gowest** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:05 pm

that's the place to go if you want to upgrade quickly, I used to work there 3 years ago: took me 11 months to go from a class IV to a Class II and flew over 900hrs the 1st year...
that school is one of the very few in canada where you can make a living the 1st year.

godd luck!

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:53 pm

screw multi time…..does anyone know if they’ll let you touch the pitts? do they start you off instructing acro on the citabria and then move you over to the pitts if you're worthy? or is the pitts only reserved for the owner?

Jimmy Mack · Post by **Jimmy Mack** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:36 am

av8tor_assrope wrote:screw multi time…..does anyone know if they’ll let you touch the pitts? do they start you off instructing acro on the citabria and then move you over to the pitts if you're worthy? or is the pitts only reserved for the owner?

Judging from their website, their a business like any other; wave enough cash and they might let you take the pitts solo.

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:41 am

thanks for replying but i was thinking more along the lines of if he allows his instructors to teach in it...or if it's only reserved for harv?

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:58 am

No he probably wont let you teach in it.... I doesn't really go up much in the year save for a few months in the summer. But if you show competance they'll let you go in it.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:28 pm

" But if you show competance they'll let you go in it. "

Solo?

mars4 · Post by **mars4** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:08 am

What is better between St Adrews and Steinbach ?

ski_bum · Post by **ski_bum** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:25 am

Each has its own benifits. I prefer St. Andrews, I think it is a easier transistion to uncontrolled airspace than it is to controlled coming from Steinbach.

Flamebrain · Post by **Flamebrain** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:05 pm

foxtrot fox wrote:Hello all,
Does anyone know and have recent informations about this school?
Thanks. Foxtrot

Little behind on this thread (just found this site today), but thought I'd throw my two cents in.

I am a new (very new) PPL student at Harv's in St.Andrews and I have been very happy so far. It is a very professional operation and everyone I have dealt with has been helpful and knowledgable. They have made someone very new to aviation feel welcome.

...and yes - it can get a little cold.

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:06 pm

Not solo until you go flying with Harv himself and you can prove you can have a good landing..... Check out the CFS on CKK7 steinbach south.... 35' of paved runway. not the easiest plane to land on something like that without a lot of practice...

The pitts isn't exactly the circuit machine at the rate you'll get charges an hour

AirpranePirot · Post by **AirpranePirot** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:29 am

By far the best flight school I have ever experienced. I got my night rating and tail dragger endorsement there two summers ago and I was totally pleased with the entire operation even though the airspace can get pretty hectic around the time the cadets start to solo. Steinbach North is only 2 minutes away though, and of course you have St. Andrews and YWG which are a short flight away as well.

As for the Pitts, I just heard a rumor that they got rid of it, can anyone confirm/deny this? If they still have it it's about $300 an hour and Harv will take up anyone with the scratch. Absolutely worth it to go for a half hour and let Harv try and make you vomit!

Then there is their residences. It's about $200 a month and you get to live with people from literally all over the world who come to Canada to learn to fly. I met a guy from the Maldives who I still talk to to this day and plan to go visit some day (hopefully as flight crew on a twotter

)

So yeah, 10/10, two thumbs up, highly recommended. I also recommend taking a cross-country to nearby Kenora, the landscape on the way and the airport and town are beautiful. Plus, there are no mosquitos in Kenora.

AirpranePirot · Post by **AirpranePirot** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:35 am

Cat Driver wrote:
" But if you show competance they'll let you go in it. "
Solo?

My guess is that you would first have to show a serious interest in aerobatics and take a full checkout in the citabria and then a full checkout in the pitts and yeah, you're looking at probably sinking a few grand just on the dual stuff alone. And they are a business so they are going to try and squeeze as much as they can out of you.

(edit: this is all just my own hypothesis though and I'm sure would depend alot on your experience going into this excursion.)

I suppose that is one thing I did not mention in my previous post, they are a business and they do want your money! Can't really fault them on that though, can you?

god9 · Post by **god9** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:59 am

AirpranePirot wrote: Plus, there are no mosquitos in Kenora.

Hah! I'm from Kenora, you must've been there at the right time then, or just stayed in town. Weird...

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:15 am

Asking someone to borrow their expensive aerobatic airplane so you can take it up and wring it out, is like asking someone if you can borrow their significant other and give them a good thumping.

Most people I know that own expensive aerobatic airplanes would prefer to lend you their significant other

That said ... if you want to fly a Pitts, you have to learn to how unspin it, and how to land it.

To learn how to unspin it requires that you fly at least the basic "six-pack" of spin combinations: upright, upright accelerated, upright flat, inverted, inverted accelerated and inverted flat. You would likely be surprised as to which are the challenging ones.

To learn how to land it requires that you are an especially talented (ie experienced) tailwheel aircraft pilot that has no problem landing blind, with zero visibility forward.

The Pitts S-2B has a short distance from the mains to the tail, a small vertical fin, and it lands very fast compared to any other light tailwheel aircraft that you may have typically flown. The result of this, is that many people have great difficulty keeping up with the rudder work required to keep the straight. In addition, it is completely blind out the front in the landing attitude. Typically, the latter gives people more heartburn than the former.

I have only had the privilege of flying with one person who could land the Pitts without any dual instruction from me, apart from my rather generic advice to hold at least 100 mph on final. He flared about 3 feet high, but the rollout was surprisingly uneventful.

I should mention that the person had 3,000 hours in very interesting aircraft - he owns an aviation museum in Gatineau, Ont, and I am sure that his previous experience in his Beaver, T-6, Waco, Staggerwing, Hurricane, Spitfire, P-51, and P-40 might have had something to do with it.

So, if you are current on the Beaver, T-6, Waco, Staggering, Hurricane, Spitfire, P-51 and P-40, give Adam a call about getting a checkout on his S-2B. It shouldn't be too hard, if you don't barf too much during the spin training. Here is my friend Spencer demonstrating an inverted flat spin in his S-2B:

http://www.beasafepilot.com/invertedflatspin.wmv

The above is worth what you paid me for it.

To qualify my opinion, here is a picture of my hangar:

youngflier · Post by **youngflier** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:46 pm

foxtrot fox wrote:Hello all,
Does anyone know and have recent informations about this school?

Thanks. Foxtrot

hahahahaa.. awesome school.. im sirious

1coolav8r · Post by **1coolav8r** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:30 pm

hey Hedley...how did you manage to put those nice dents in the gas tank of your RC51? must be a good story behind that

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:25 am

nice dents in the gas tank of your RC51?

Heh - yeah, hadda order a new tank. These days, trying to ride the fiddyone just as if I was a normal person

P.S. Full Akrapovic (incredible sound), one tooth down in the front, one up in the rear w/520 chain, power commander, soft rev limiter mod, flapper mod, scotts damper, corbin seat. Thinking about the 2CT this spring. Having difficulty justifying Ohlins, but considering nitrous to keep up with those kids on their i4s!

1coolav8r · Post by **1coolav8r** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:36 am

but you still didnt answer how they got there?

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:04 am

Where is your hanger Hedley? I want to go there. I've gone for a ride it the Pitts at Harv's... I know exactly what your talking about... landing totally blind... have to come in with a serious slip on final to find your "touch down" point... Crazy fun

Just close your eyes and get on the rudder!

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