Israel Planning Nuke Strike on Iran

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Hey bmc
He loves enough to have died for your poor condemned soul :D
He is also a realist when it comes to the nations that threaten His theocratic plan for the world through Israel.

Psa 2:1 Why do the nations rage, and the peoples meditate on a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers plot together, against Jehovah and against His anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands in two and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; Jehovah shall mock at them.
Psa 2:5 Then He shall speak to them in His anger, and trouble them in His wrath.
Psa 2:6 Yea, I have set My king on My holy hill, on Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree of Jehovah. He has said to Me, You are My Son; today I have begotten You.
Psa 2:8 Ask of Me, and I shall give the nations for Your inheritance; and the uttermost parts of the earth for Your possession.
Psa 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 And now be wise, O kings; be instructed, O judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve Jehovah with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled in but a little time. Blessed are all who put their trust in Him.

Lift your head and meditate on that .
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from debka.com:
Iran is overplaying its hand in the belief that the US is weakened by setbacks in Iraq, says defense secretary Robert Gates

January 19, 2007, 10:19 PM (GMT+02:00)


He spoke at US 5th Fleet HQ in Bahrain Thursday, Jan. 18, where he is supervising US military and naval preparations to stress the US presence in the Persian Gulf and American opposition to Iran’s nuclear plans. He added: "I think our difficulties have given the Iranians a tactical opportunity in the short term, but the United States is a very powerful country." Gates is also visiting Gulf capitals to underline the US commitment to defend its allies. Washington has been applying pressure on Iran for harboring networks attacking US troops in Iraq. Thursday, Gates met with US and coalition naval commanders in Bahrain to plan operations in the Persian Gulf including the arrival next month of another US aircraft carrier, the USS Stennis with 80 fighter-bombers on its decks and 600 more Patriot anti-missiles, meant as a warning to Iran.

The secretary flew to Qatar for a private meeting with Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani. Later, he visited an air base that hosts a high-tech war room which is the nerve center of all US and coalition air operations through the Middle East and Central Asia. Reporters traveling with the secretary of defense were prohibited from identifying the base or the country in which it is located.

In Tehran, president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in response to Gates’ activities: Iran is prepared for any possibility in the standoff with the West over its nuclear activities.

Wednesday night, Gates spent two hours with King Abdullah and Crown Prince Sultan at a royal hunting lodge outside Riyadh. They discussed Iran’s nuclear aspirations and US military moves in the Gulf and Iraq. DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the air and naval forces of the six member states of the GCC will hold a joint exercise next month codenamed Peninsula Shield.

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cloudcounter wrote:Pro 17:16 To what purpose is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no sense?
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Does your god hate as much as you do?
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Cloudcounter you really have no idea what your talking about.
seriously,
I asked you a question to prove to me about the trinity and you gave me no real answer.

Now your saying that nobody can touch Israel because the country has Gods backup?

So your here saying that Israel is not at fault for the things that they do
(I'm not against Israel) and yet everyone who doesn't approve of the country/nation is a gonner by God?

Mr. you really need to read the Bible a bit more clearly. :o
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CC,

While you have made some valid points IMHO your gonna have to stop justifying your views with the bible.

"The bible can not be used as proof, it can be used as a starting point in the search for proof but not as proof itself." Niss 5:15pm
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Cloud...seriously...you're starting to sound like the tin foil hat crowd.

What do you want out of this? I get the sense that you want see people die. Lots of them. Why? Why are so filled with hate? This humanity. Families, kids, babies. Is it because you are equating all Iraniansa with their dumbfuck leader? Did you want the whole world to think all Canadians were as hillbilly as Preston Manning?

Do you live in your mothers basement?
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Sorry wildcat but your ignorance is clouding your intake :(
Why would you want to know about the trinity - you cant even get to first base with one of them!
You have not studied God's dealings with Israel's in history - do some Biblical research and dont be so lazy.
A Nation , like man, will reap what it sows - Israel included , but she also has a greater responsiblity as God chose her - you read your Bible and find out why before you post such silly questions
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Wild Cat wrote:Cloudcounter you really have no idea what your talking about.
seriously,
I asked you a question to prove to me about the trinity and you gave me no real answer.

Now your saying that nobody can touch Israel because the country has Gods backup?

So your here saying that Israel is not at fault for the things that they do
(I'm not against Israel) and yet everyone who doesn't approve of the country/nation is a gonner by God?

Mr. you really need to read the Bible a bit more clearly. :o
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Funny , the most frivolous matrix drones all want their warm fuzzy old wive's tales taken 'seriously' ...

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bmc wrote:Cloud...seriously...you're starting to sound like the tin foil hat crowd.

What do you want out of this? I get the sense that you want see people die. Lots of them. Why? Why are so filled with hate? This humanity. Families, kids, babies. Is it because you are equating all Iraniansa with their dumbfuck leader? Did you want the whole world to think all Canadians were as hillbilly as Preston Manning?

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You are absolutely cracked niss!

A fallen man such as you may lie but God cannot lie.
His Bible is totally correct and the personificaton of truth for education and reproof.
This is what your Creator says about the subject:

2Ti 3:16 Every scripture is divinely inspired, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness;
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niss wrote:CC,

While you have made some valid points IMHO your gonna have to stop justifying your views with the bible.

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Hey cloud, do you know what a circular arguement is?
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Didn't Popeye use that?
'I yam what I yam because I yam'
he also couldn't spell

Pretty deep stuff because Christ said:
'Before Abraham was, I AM'
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hahaha
cloudcounter your funny :lol:

You see, I have read the Bible many times, and I have some news for you.

seeing how you say God has chosen Israel is a mistake.
From my knowledge, ancient israel proved to be a very disloyal nation to God. How many times did they worship idols and images, how many times did they practice spiritism, how many times have they turned to false gods!
and on top of that, it was ancient Israel that rejected Jesus as the Messiah.

Mathew 23:37:O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Today, God hasn't chosen Israel as it's special nation, as he did in the past. Everybody has the chance to be saved.

And on top of that, God expressed many times not to follow any nation on earth, because the only one we should trust is him!

P.S. The scripture you said about Jesus is in the father and the father in Jesus is a huge misinterpretation.
John 17:21,22 says that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one

in other words, Jesus is not physicaly with God. if he was physicaly with God, than how can he be asking the faithful to be physicaly one just like him and God!
And on top of that, why doesn't Jesus mention the Holy Spirit?

It is obvious that Jesus is one with God, in the sense that they have been together since the beginning of creation. And the Bible states that Jesus was Gods first creation, which shows another point that the are not equal.
The teaching of the trinity is well documented in how it came into cristianity, something that was never taught before, and neither is it ever shown in the Bible. Neither is it mentioned once the Word trinity!

I suggest YOU read the bible more clearly, and stay away from those readers digest too! :lol:

P.S. I consider myself a christian, but dont go bashing islam if you don't wanna talk about christianity's bloody wars either.

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WC, you are caught in the entrails of replacement theology. Period.
The priests who condemned Christ read the Bible a lot too but they still had him murdered- you need to be born again with the Holy Spirit so you can understand what God has said.

Like I say- replacement theology. You might have read it but you dont understand it- all the 66 Bible books refer to a literal return of the resurrected Christ to a literal Mt of Olives in a literal Israel to literally rule the world from the literal Capital of Israel -Jerusalem. Period..
Everyone has a chance to be saved if they accept Christ but He still has a special plan for Israel because of Abraham.
Jesus was never created [ before Abraham I AM ! He said] but as the son of man he was the first born man since the fall when ressurected from the dead.

You should check the scriptures.
Father, Son , Holy Ghost.
And heed the Apostle Paul re the Abrahamic covenant:
Rom 11:17 Some of the tree's branches were pruned and you wild olive shoots were grafted in. Yet the fact that you are now fed by that rich and holy root gives you no cause to crow over the pruned branches. Remember, you aren't feeding the root; the root is feeding you. 8)
as for islam
Gen 16:11 And the Angel of Jehovah said to her, Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son. And you shall call his name Ishmael, because Jehovah has heard your affliction.
Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man. His hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him. And he shall live in the presence of all his brothers.

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Wild Cat wrote:hahaha
cloudcounter your funny :lol:

You see, I have read the Bible many times, and I have some news for you.

seeing how you say God has chosen Israel is a mistake.
From my knowledge, ancient israel proved to be a very disloyal nation to God. How many times did they worship idols and images, how many times did they practice spiritism, how many times have they turned to false gods!
and on top of that, it was ancient Israel that rejected Jesus as the Messiah.

Mathew 23:37:O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Today, God hasn't chosen Israel as it's special nation, as he did in the past. Everybody has the chance to be saved.

And on top of that, God expressed many times not to follow any nation on earth, because the only one we should trust is him!

P.S. The scripture you said about Jesus is in the father and the father in Jesus is a huge misinterpretation.
John 17:21,22 says that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one

in other words, Jesus is not physicaly with God. if he was physicaly with God, than how can he be asking the faithful to be physicaly one just like him and God!
And on top of that, why doesn't Jesus mention the Holy Spirit?

It is obvious that Jesus is one with God, in the sense that they have been together since the beginning of creation. And the Bible states that Jesus was Gods first creation, which shows another point that the are not equal.
The teaching of the trinity is well documented in how it came into cristianity, something that was never taught before, and neither is it ever shown in the Bible. Neither is it mentioned once the Word trinity!

I suggest YOU read the bible more clearly, and stay away from those readers digest too! :lol:

P.S. I consider myself a christian, but dont go bashing islam if you don't wanna talk about christianity's bloody wars either.

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tisk tisk

I dont understand what you mean by replacement theology, but what I do know is that what the Bible says is what is the truth, nothing more.

I also know, and every well versed theologin knows, that there is a long history of paganism entering christianity after the death of Christ.
heck, even the pope and cardinals have spoken of the "mystery" of the trinity, and even in the catholic encyclopedia does it show that pagan beliefs entered into catholocism.

what is the problem?
Nobody ever bothers to read it!
they just believe whatever their parents taught them, or their priest taught them, and yet, how many times have they even opened the Bible!
I remember going to a church, and even though the Bible says not to worship Idols, I see them everywhere in the church!
The church even charged for people to get a blessing.

the truth is that either you haven't looked into the history of christianity, or you just want to deny what is the truth.

No I am not reading the Bible wrong.
Satan tempted Jesus using scriptures as well, but obviously he used them wrongly!
Your interpretation that Jesus will come to Israel is wrong.


Let me ask you this.
-what is the point of going to heaven after we die, if Jesus is coming down to earth?
-what was the original point of mankind when God created us?
-what is the point of coming to Israel specificly?

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I definatly do not hold anything against anyone who is Jewish or Muslim or Christian.
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Actually, I believe the reason that Jesus is going straight to Israel is due to the quck immigration for Jews. As Jesus was born Jewish (I do believe the gov't will not have to look into it too deeply) He should be an Israeli citizen within a matter of hours. Also he would get an envelope full of money and a little flower. He would also get assistance for a year such as hebrew lessons....shouldnt be to hard for him as he knows aramaic and ancient hebrew...oh ya, and hes FREAKING JESUS! Since he could turn water into wine I think he would be a big hit as an MC at one of the many pubs on Ben Yehuda street in Jerusalem. Or Imagine the tour guide he could be!

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Pro 17:16 To what purpose is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no sense?
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Proverbs 28:26 He who trusts in himself is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom is kept safe.

We can let ourselves walk in wisdom if we let ourselves be guided by what the Bible says, instead of what we want to believe.

the Bible is a map that reveals everything to us.
119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path.
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lol
Too bad you dont believe it!
The Devil misquotes the Book too like you, but he at least knows it refers to Israel and not some dumb Replacement theology Church that is too lazy to interpret the Bible correctly:D
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I dont think you would make it WC if God called for your soul tonight :(
DEBKAfile’s military sources: The USS Stennis carrier with thousands of troops and 80 warplanes aboard is heading for Persian Gulf

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Yeah, right.

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived: God is not mocked; for whatever a man shall sow, that also shall he reap.
niss wrote:Actually, I believe the reason that Jesus is going straight to Israel is due to the quck immigration for Jews. As Jesus was born Jewish (I do believe the gov't will not have to look into it too deeply) He should be an Israeli citizen within a matter of hours. Also he would get an envelope full of money and a little flower. He would also get assistance for a year such as hebrew lessons....shouldnt be to hard for him as he knows aramaic and ancient hebrew...oh ya, and hes FREAKING JESUS! Since he could turn water into wine I think he would be a big hit as an MC at one of the many pubs on Ben Yehuda street in Jerusalem. Or Imagine the tour guide he could be!

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Well, that was quite an interesting discussion. :)

I dont mean to anger anybody or anything, but it was nice to talk to someone who at least read the bible.

just out of curiosity,
what does military armament near israel have to do with israel itself?
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Well WC, if you didnt have a Nicodemas problem you would know.

Psa 2:1 Why are the nations in tumultuous agitation, and why do the peoples meditate a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the princes plot together, against Jehovah and against his anointed:
Let us break their bonds asunder, and cast away their cords from us!
He that dwelleth in the heavens shall laugh, the Lord shall have them in derision.
Then will he speak to them in his anger, and in his fierce displeasure will he terrify them:
And *I* have anointed my king upon Zion, the hill of my holiness.

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(Jerusalem, Israel) – “Our best-case scenario is for missiles to be hitting us in the next year or two. Either the West goes to war to stop Iran from going nuclear, and Iran fires conventional missiles at us in retaliation, or the West waits too long and Iran launches a nuclear first strike at us. Either way, a terrible war is coming. It cannot be avoided.”

That’s the sobering assessment a senior Israeli political leader shared with me over breakfast this week.

In that context, US President George W. Bush’s recalibrated Middle East strategy is resonating positively here. The combination of 20,000 more US troops in Iraq, a second US nuclear-powered aircraft carrier headed toward the Persian Gulf, the buildup of more anti-missile batteries near Iran, and a flat-out rejection of appeasement talks with Iran and Syria indicates that the White House is not only serious about defeating the forces of radical Islam in and around Baghdad, but may in fact be gearing up for a military showdown with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his fanatic disciples in 2007.. bridgesforpeace.com

Wild Cat wrote:Well, that was quite an interesting discussion. :)

I dont mean to anger anybody or anything, but it was nice to talk to someone who at least read the bible.

just out of curiosity,
what does military armament near israel have to do with israel itself?
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Two Islam experts warned participants at the Herzliya Conference on Monday that global jihad is on the rise -- and should be taken seriously.


Islamic expert and historian Bernard Lewis spoke back-to-back with former CIA director James Woolsey at the Herzliya Conference Monday, sounding the alarm on the global Jihad and dismissing the concept of a Palestinian state.

“In the self-perception of the Muslim world, their primary identity is to deliver Islam to the world – to not keep it selflessly to themselves but to give it to mankind,” explained Lewis, adding that the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979 signified the first major victory in the global Islamic push toward that goal.

“There are competing leaders to take this fight ahead,” he said. “The Sunni Wahabi cause is represented by bin Laden. Another is the Shi’ite version, which began with the first Iranian revolution, and the second Iranian revolution, taking place at this moment. The whole Arab and Muslim world is experiencing the second stage of the Islamic revolution in Iran.

“I have been told by Iranian friends that Ahmadinejad is indeed crazy, but not stupid,” Lewis warned. “He really believes in the end of days that he is heralding. There is a widespread belief among Shi’ites that that time has come. Mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent to Ahmadinejad, but an inducement.”

James Woolsey, former director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, addressed the conference next. Unlike many of the speakers, Woolsey, a guest of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs had arrived the previous day and attended nearly all of the conference’s sessions.

Woolsey summarized several opinions that were expressed, lauding UN sanctions, negotiations and the state of the world. “I do not represent a majority view – but on all of these points I beg to differ,” he said.

Woolsey proceeded to lament the fate of Europe, which he sees as already having been compromised in what he calls World War IV – the third having been the Cold War. “I wish we had a partnership with Europe, but I am afraid it is deteriorating,” he explained. “Europe is accommodating Sharia (Islamic law) and becoming increasingly affected by the Muslim demographics in their countries.”

Woolsey said he sees no distinction between the Islamic onslaught in Israel, Iraq or elsewhere. He compared the war against Islamism with that against Nazism and Communism.

As a former director of the world’s largest intelligence agency, Woolsey dismissed claims by Iran and its apologists that the Islamic Republic seeks nuclear capability for peaceful means.

“With its huge oil and natural gas reserves, Iran is not the least bit interested in nuclear power,” he said. “And negotiation with a movement that defines itself by its goal of the destruction of Israel and the United States is like trying to persuade Hitler to give up anti-Semitism.”

Woolsey displayed in-depth knowledge of the various theological movements and streams vying for the soul of the Islamic world. “The Ujutiya – end of time – movement represents a major part of Iranian politics today,” he warned. “If we look at it like a chess game, the nuclear bomb is the queen.”

Woolsey, like Lewis, warned that the Iranian Shi’ite sect is not the only threat posed by Islam.

“In 1979, with the seizure of the great mosque in Mecca and the rise to power of a Shi’ite theocracy in Iran, a rise in Wahabi-ism took place as well. This was funded largely by the increase in the price of oil. Today, little boys are taught to want to be suicide bombers both in Pakistani madrassas and in the West Bank with Wahabi oil money.”

Woolsey said that those warning against Islam’s push to establish Islamic law across the globe are accused of being Islamophobic. “We are not Islamaphobes,” he said, “but we are theocraphobic.

“We, Jews, Christian and others are inheritors of the rule of law,” he said. “Democracy without the rule of law is a mob and capitalism without democracy is theft. Jefferson said, and it is printed on his memorial: ‘I have sworn on the altar of Almighty G-d eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.’ ”

Asked what role he saw the media playing in the current global plight, Woolsey had harsh criticism for most journalists’ inability to classify religious believers as anything but crazy.

“The media on the whole and certainly in the US is not interested in ideology and does not take it seriously. They tend to think anybody who is religiously motivated about his views is crazy – whether religious Christians, Muslims or Jews. And that is a problem, because you can be absolutely crazy about your objectives and extremely shrewd about your implementation. I think our media on the whole is very ostrich-like on this issue.”

Woolsey outlined scenarios in which Iranians, who have changed their government through general strike thrice in the 20th century, could preclude an attack by replacing their regime – but said that it should not be counted upon.

“We should be prepared for the fact that if an attack is necessary, it must take place when we are as certain as we can be that they do not yet have a nuclear weapon. The problem is that North Korea’s primary exports today are counterfeit American money, heroin and ballistic missile technology. I see no reason why Kim Jong won’t ship off a couple kilograms of nuclear material. So we are living with the daily threat that Iran could go nuclear.”

Woolsey again entered the conversation enthusiastically after a questioner addressed former IDF Chief of Staff Moshe Ya’alon, berating him for dismissing a two-state solution and the creation of a Palestinian state as jeopardizing Israel’s relationship with the U.S.

“If I could just respond here,” Woolsey commented, “Insofar as the U.S. government is pressuring Israel to negotiate with a Hamas-led Palestinian Authority – the United States is simply wrong.”

Following applause, Woolsey went even further, suggesting that a PA state should not be on the table until the generation of youth raised on Wahabi-funded suicide-bomber ideology has been taught otherwise and the PA can be held to the same standards as an Israel with one million Arab citizens.

“If Palestinians were held to the same standards as the Israelis, then there could be not only 250,000, but 500,000 Jews living freely wherever they want in the West Bank – in Hevron and elsewhere. Once that is the case – when Palestinians are held by the same standards – then there might be some progress toward working toward permanent borders.”
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I'm shocked, shocked(!) that a Zionist academic would ever give an alarmist speech about Iran at a conference that is solely devoted to Israel's national security. Shocked!
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OMFG!!! A Zionist and a Straussian warning us of impending doom and the enemy within!!!!! SURPRISE!!!! Great way for them to make money isn't it?
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Dex wrote:OMFG!!! A Zionist and a Straussian warning us of impending doom and the enemy within!!!!! SURPRISE!!!! Great way for them to make money isn't it?
Someone break out the avcanada emergency garlic….
and and and..the crucifix kit......I thought this mofo stayed in his crypt during daylight hours....
whaddaya got an eclipse or sumpin in AB ?
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