King Air

fireman · Post by **fireman** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:16 am

Hello everybody I am new on this website.
I am looking for a school or charter company to train me on a king air. It could be a 90, 100, 200 or 350 but i would prefer on the 200.
I am free two weeks in february.
I have started flying the 200 (PIC) not a long time ago outside of Canada and want to receive a training on this aircraft.
I would prefer a PPC since I have to renew my canadian IFR but would consider all kind of training. a crew training (CRM) would be perfect.
Thanks everyone.

superiorwhore · Post by **superiorwhore** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:06 am

Whoop WHoop Troll Alert.

So you want to buy a PPC if you can on the King Air, Go piss up a tree.
Why not go find a job that will train you and give you a job rather than buying a job

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:51 am

Flight Safety

Pilot_adam · Post by **Pilot_adam** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:55 am

I can give you an excellent deal (I will beat any competitors quote)!!!!

How will you be paying ??? I prefer PayPal Pal.

Basically the course would take a week (or until you think you had enough) and it is all done online from the comfort of your home !!!! why go to the airport if you can blow some cash from home !!!!!

You will be flying* state of the art King Air 350 in ANY weather condition you would like,and any emergency you can think of can be done!!!! If you buy it today i will add King Air 350 for dummies absolutely FREE of charge !!!!! This offer will expire in 1 Day(s)..HURRY UP

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trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:07 pm

Pilot Adam.

I think you are being so unfair insuating that this a troll. Maybe the poster is just a moron. Did you ever think of that? And if he is how do you think you are making trolls feel? Equating them with morons.

Now, where exactly do I sign up for your course?

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:15 am

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:16 am

fireman · Post by **fireman** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:31 am

Let me buy my PPC! Why not I have enough money. I don t want to prostitute myself on the ramp.

Degrassi · Post by **Degrassi** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:28 pm

Do you have enough money, or does daddy have enough money. I hear jumping ahead of all the rampies is a sweet way to make new friends, go pay your dues like the rest of us out here.

fireman · Post by **fireman** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:53 pm

Pay my due to who?
Do you know what this sentence means? Or you have just heard it around and just repeat it?

So pay my due to my flight school? For what?
To my boss? For what?
To my colleagues? For what?
So pay my due to myself then... Kind of initiation?

Jump ahead......hhhmmm.... Isnt it the purpose to prostitute ourselves (for 10 $ HAHA) on the ramp? Jump ahead the ones whom respect themselves?

I don t care if you have been fucked up by this industry. You are frustrated bastards, you are the morons.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:15 pm

So you left the country, got 200 pic, decide that you want to work in the Canadian job market and to do so, you are willing to undercut every other person in the industry.

You talk about buying a PPC like it's a victimless crime. You seem to think that you are only using the money you have to better your situation, with no expense paid by the rest of the community. This is similar to how the mob operates... after all, selling drugs only hurts the lousy drug users, right? There is no damage to the rest of society.

Ah, to be rich and without scruples.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:25 pm

He has a point. You guys keep giving him the time of day. Fish fish. Ignore him. Don't let him make morons out of you.

Degrassi · Post by **Degrassi** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:59 am

Hey moron, paying your dues means busting your ass off for a couple years, so that one day when you are sitting in the left seat of a wide body, you feel like you earned your position. Or better yet, when you get that King Air job, you feel as though you deserve it. If i wanted i'd go by myself a PPC aswell, but i have this thing called self respect, oh and if i get on with a company that is not willing to train me out of there pocket, then it is not a company i want to work for.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:01 am

I have always had problems with those who paid for PPC's and endorsements and was amazed at the success of companies in the 80's who sold 737 endorsements to airline hopefuls in the US. In retrospect, my distaste for it stemmed mainly by my inability to do the same. I was afterall, just an underpaid, overextended float driver paying my dues..

That being said, let me play the devils advocate and ask "Where does training become whoring?" At what point?

We all go out and get our CPL but realistically, you won't find work with that. Some buy advanced training in float operations, others buy advanced training to become instructors. Some even purchase a Multi-IFR all with the hope of securing employment in their respective specialty.

Why then, if someone with the financial where with all buys some advanced training in a King Air are they a moron and a whore?? Especially when this practice is the norm south of the border.

There is a lot of contract flying available worldwide for those with specific type endorsements. Are the expats fleeing Canada also whores because they kill opportunity for nationals without the time on type?

I am only pointing out that the world isn't fair guys. Accept it, deal with it and move on.

fireman · Post by **fireman** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:18 am

First of all I apologize. I know some of you guys did insult me so that s why I was pissed of and answered with insult. But it doesn t concern the all ramp communauty who just follow what is already established whithout thinking about it. But I still want to reply to the gentleman

who insulted me.
for Pilot_adam, you told me :
I can give you an excellent deal (I will beat any competitors quote)!!!!

How will you be paying ??? I prefer PayPal Pal.

Basically the course would take a week (or until you think you had enough) and it is all done online from the comfort of your home !!!! why go to the airport if you can blow some cash from home !!!!!

You will be flying* state of the art King Air 350 in ANY weather condition you would like,and any emergency you can think of can be done!!!! If you buy it today i will add King Air 350 for dummies absolutely FREE of charge !!!!! This offer will expire in 1 Day(s)..HURRY UP

Januray 2007 cutomers receive their PCCs from the best

I really doubt you will give me any training.... First did you finish your PPL with peninsulair? I am looking forward to see how you will deal with the job market when (if) you will finish your training. You don t really know what you are talking about. But apparently there is a "pilot shortage" so you won t have any problem to get your first second and third job?
After 15 years in this industry i can tell you this is not always easy and and you will know after few years what is a bad behaviour or a bad choice.

For mellow_pilot, you said:

So you left the country, got 200 pic, decide that you want to work in the Canadian job market and to do so, you are willing to undercut every other person in the industry.

I didnt say I have 200 hours pic but I am flying (and not only) the king air 200. I have a lot more than 200 hours on this aircraft and most of my time is jet time.
I didn t say I wanted to work in the Canadian job market. First I don t have the right to work in Canada and secondly I would loose too much money.

For degassi you said :
Do you have enough money, or does daddy have enough money.

Yes I have enough money. My father died a long time ago. Don t mention him please.

You write again:
Hey moron, paying your dues means busting your ass off for a couple years, so that one day when you are sitting in the left seat of a wide body, you feel like you earned your position.

HAHAHA you are so funny.... You are not serious hey!!??? Yes you will maybe fly a wide body like a lot of us but it will be because of your seriousness, skills, experience, decision making, ability to work in crew, safety... No way because of your two years on the ramp!!!!! Most of the jet captain in the world never worked on the ramp. They learned their job while flying.
If you worked on the ramp thats only because there is too much pilot in your country and you were ready to do everything to accomplish your dream. (I am polite). Not to justify your futur position on a wide body.

Dominic220 · Post by **Dominic220** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:07 am

fireman wrote:I didnt say I have 200 hours pic but I am flying (and not only) the king air 200. I have a lot more than 200 hours on this aircraft and most of my time is jet time.

I didn t say I wanted to work in the Canadian job market. First I don t have the right to work in Canada and secondly I would loose too much money.

Now, if the above is true, why would you want to get a PPC on a 350 if you're happy in your job now, as the above seems to imply. If you're making $XX,XXX/yr, and you'd have to take a pay cut to work elsewhere, why would you move?! It's simple math.

fireman · Post by **fireman** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:25 am

I don' t want to move. Did I say I want to move?

I would like to renew my canadian ifr without flying a seminole.A PPC or a type rating is not required on the 200 where I am flying so I would get a "type rating" on an aircraft I know and reniew my canadian IFR (I do have otherS license current) and maybe having some fun and sharing some experience.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:05 pm

So basically;

1 You're independently wealthy.
2 You want to hold a Canadian IFR with no intention of working in Canada.
3 You want to do a renewal, but want to do it on a turbine instead of a piston trainer.

If this is the case, why not say so. Since you seem to have a good knowledge of the people on the site, you must also know the general concesus on buying PPCs. Why would you post saying that you want to buy one and not explain the situation fully, except for the purpose of fishing?

I just re-read your first post, and I see now that alot of us jumped on the PPC part and ignored the rest, for this I apologise, however, I would suggest that you try to make your situation more clear... perhaps state that you have no intention of screwing people over explicitly.

wingspan · Post by **wingspan** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:51 am

hijacked!

aileron · Post by **aileron** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:31 am

Hey Fireman, I got you the first time. And just so you know, since you mentioned you're new to the site, there is a lot of pent up frustration on this site, most from youngsters without any real mentorship or demonstrable etiquette. As they say, "We eat our own".

Allow me, in my own slant perspective, to give you some light since I assume you are not Canadian.

Our country is huge, yet isolated. Ninety percent of our population is within 100 miles of the border to the US, yet 90% of the first and second level aviation jobs are outside of that 100 miles. Many find it impossible to get that "first job" within stones throw from their "stomping grounds". Since most guys are straight out of school, on their own for the first time in their lives and faced with huge debts from training, a waffing bitterness becomes evident in the air when their first job is Nowhere, AB/SK/MB/ON/etc.

Canada inherited an excellent aviation system, the bequeathed gift of the Commonwealth Air Training Plan. Lots of little airports across the country, lots of surplus aircraft and voila lots of RCAF Flying Clubs at the end of WW2. The intent was to keep the huge population of RCAF pilots current in case they were ever needed again. Well the legacy continued in a lot of those clubs becoming larger and more modern. This allowed cheap accessible training, to many pilots in our country, and from an economics view point created a glut of pilots.

We have only just instituted an 80 hour ground school component to our PPL/CPL, before it was 40 (similar in the US). What is JAR these days, 600 hours?

Anyway the experience in our country is awesome. Lots of unimproved strips, nasty weather and in a lot of cases inferior navigation aids (NDB's from the bygone years, well at least its not radio range...). GPS has been the saviour to our system as now the cost of implementing long-range domestic navigation aids is from an airborne standpoint, not ground-based. This, I hope, will allow NavCanada to improve ground communication facilites and facilitate improvements such as ADS-B.

Also the grammar and comprehension, and I don't pretend to be perfect either. But I just knew someone was going to go down your throat thinking you had only 200 hours PIC and not the Pilot in Command of a BE200 as you meant. People are quick to conclusions on this site, especially after reading a couple of follow-up posts without really reading through.

The question you posed is legit, and I hope someone will PM you directly instead of pulling you through the mud that all of us on this site have created by interpreting, insinuating and insulting. The anonymity of this site doesn't allow us to really know who's on the other side of the keyboard and without having an online version of our own resume (well with exception to CatDriver) we all get jumpy!

Blue Side Down · Post by **Blue Side Down** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:47 am

The real cut-throats are the types that take every opportunity to try to knock thier peers down. Grow up people- there's more to the world than you see in your current town, and more to life than flying.

Help others and you will be helped in return. We're all travelling in the same direction, so might as well make it easy on ourselves.

I have no idea where to get a PPC on a 350 in Canada, though. My guess is as good as yours...

Puddle Jumper · Post by **Puddle Jumper** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:46 pm

Fireman,

I may be wrong, and I’m sure someone will tell me fairly quickly if I am, but if you're not looking for work and just want a BE20 PPC whilst renewing your IFR at the same time, I would think a King Air operator with a company check pilot would be happy to sell you a PPC. Why not contact some of the larger King Air operators and see if it's possible.

Are you getting a PPC so you can convert your Canadian licence and the rating to an FAA one?

aileron, nice post - well said.

mars4 · Post by **mars4** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:37 pm

mellow_pilot wrote: This is similar to how the mob operates... after all, selling drugs only hurts the lousy drug users, right? There is no damage to the rest of society.

Ah, to be rich and without scruples.

A PPC is not more expensive than an Instructor Rating ....
That means any instructor in here is as troll as the one who buys his PPC

And if a Mob company wants to hire a brand new Lousy drug user CPL buying a PPC by his own instead of hiring the poor guy on the ramp ... Who do you really think is the bad guy

?

The day compagnies will stop hiring people paying their PPC, everybody will have his turn, and such a topic will not exist anymore ... But that seems a bit utopic to me

youngflier · Post by **youngflier** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:41 pm

wow alot of guys on this website are pricks.. ill fit right in