Unprofessional? From the folks that I have met over the years from there I thought Corpac was one of the better ones out there to work for. Maybe this whole thing has something to do with the new uniform issue I saw posted here a couple of weeks ago:) So does Corpac just go back to the way it was before the whole merger with avia with the SAAB and BA 31?
Frank
AVIA---CORPAC---AIRPRINT.........????
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sprucemonkey
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With a one liner like "care to explain more", leads me to believe you were at the hangar meeting this summer. So you heard what I did so...sure....
I will quote the former owner: "Folks, don't worry about the overhead from the piaggios. We only pay 400 bucks an hour. So don't worry if its been slow since we only pay if the planes fly. W...Enterprises covers the rest. What a great deal for us at Corpac. D can explain it better. Take it away D........"
That's self explanatory.
I will quote the former owner: "Folks, don't worry about the overhead from the piaggios. We only pay 400 bucks an hour. So don't worry if its been slow since we only pay if the planes fly. W...Enterprises covers the rest. What a great deal for us at Corpac. D can explain it better. Take it away D........"
JM runs a damn good show.
That's self explanatory.
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Oh the maturity level on this board is on the upswing I see. 
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I can back sprucemonkey on this one. That is what was said, I also was there. In addition, Corpac straight out lied to ALL of their employees about an issue that happened, made them selves look good and leave the pilots take all the blame. I was the pilot with sprucemonkey and I left the company shortly after. Avia pilots went through some rough times and they are some of the best pilots I have worked with. I hope they all can move along with their career during this buyout.
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-Piaggios are going to air sprint.
- Piaggio pilots are told the will be guaranteed jobs at sprint at the same pay.
-recent email from sprint to their employees says the Corpac pilots were offered an invitation to INTREVIEW at Sprint.
*Different from what DW said.
- If you go to Sprint you will have worse benefits.
-Corpac pilots will lose their flight passes.
-Corpac pilots will work WAY more at sprint as for they do a whole bunch of days on, a few days off. Though Sprint will have the work for the planes, the planes are currently attracting more dust then clients.
-Oh, sprint is offering Captain spots to 2500 hour total time pilots on the Piaggio. But you need 4000 hours to fly their Citation as capt. The Piggio may be a turbo prop, but it's a little misunderstood. It's not a space ship by any means, but it's not a PC12.
Great upgrade from a PC12 Capt. to a Piaggio seat with NO multi time. But I can't imagine anyone who would want to sign that release!
Anybody want to bet on how long it will be till one of those Piggies is destroyed?
- Piaggio pilots are told the will be guaranteed jobs at sprint at the same pay.
-recent email from sprint to their employees says the Corpac pilots were offered an invitation to INTREVIEW at Sprint.
*Different from what DW said.
- If you go to Sprint you will have worse benefits.
-Corpac pilots will lose their flight passes.
-Corpac pilots will work WAY more at sprint as for they do a whole bunch of days on, a few days off. Though Sprint will have the work for the planes, the planes are currently attracting more dust then clients.
-Oh, sprint is offering Captain spots to 2500 hour total time pilots on the Piaggio. But you need 4000 hours to fly their Citation as capt. The Piggio may be a turbo prop, but it's a little misunderstood. It's not a space ship by any means, but it's not a PC12.
Great upgrade from a PC12 Capt. to a Piaggio seat with NO multi time. But I can't imagine anyone who would want to sign that release!
Anybody want to bet on how long it will be till one of those Piggies is destroyed?
Great upgrade from a PC12 Capt. to a Piaggio seat with NO multi time. But I can't imagine anyone who would want to sign that release!
Anybody want to bet on how long it will be till one of those Piggies is destroyed?
Just for fun...
Explain to me how a bunch of Pilatus time, IE single time makes a pilot a less proficient pilot as opposed to some one with similar time who flew a multi.
If you have 2500 hours on multi, with no engine failures you were simply pushing two levers instead of one.
The systems are about the same. The flying is very similar. Both are 703 aircraft. Both are IFR/Icing approved.
Is an instructor with 2500 hours multi a better candidate?
Maybe multi time acentuates your ability to recover from an engine failure or don your mask quicker.
I am just curious.
I have multi and single time. In my opinion, the single pilot has alot more worries about the health of his engine and the ensuing debacle that may take place.
Multies are only seriously vulnerable during take off and missed approach. That being about 2 percent of your life, any other failures are typicaly a non event. Every single failure is an event.
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Anybody want to bet on how long it will be till one of those Piggies is destroyed?
Just for fun...
Explain to me how a bunch of Pilatus time, IE single time makes a pilot a less proficient pilot as opposed to some one with similar time who flew a multi.
If you have 2500 hours on multi, with no engine failures you were simply pushing two levers instead of one.
The systems are about the same. The flying is very similar. Both are 703 aircraft. Both are IFR/Icing approved.
Is an instructor with 2500 hours multi a better candidate?
Maybe multi time acentuates your ability to recover from an engine failure or don your mask quicker.
I am just curious.
I have multi and single time. In my opinion, the single pilot has alot more worries about the health of his engine and the ensuing debacle that may take place.
Multies are only seriously vulnerable during take off and missed approach. That being about 2 percent of your life, any other failures are typicaly a non event. Every single failure is an event.
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I am just curious as to why multi is better when compared to Pilatus time.
This aircraft seems to break the mould in what a single would do. The highly intelligent "Wanker" comment above has not swayed me yet.
What is the problem with making a well performing PC-12 Captain the captain of a Mulit Engine aircraft?
I do recogonize that time on type is important. With a proper line indoc, I do not see the problem.
Pinky
This aircraft seems to break the mould in what a single would do. The highly intelligent "Wanker" comment above has not swayed me yet.
What is the problem with making a well performing PC-12 Captain the captain of a Mulit Engine aircraft?
I do recogonize that time on type is important. With a proper line indoc, I do not see the problem.
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No you guys are right, there shouldn't be a problem with a good experienced PC12 capt going on a twin. Really no difference till an engine quits, which should never happen.
And with a good line-indoc, no problem. But who's going to line indoc these guys? Another PC12 capt...?
I just can't see why any of the Corpac guys would or will go to sprint.
This whole event has been hanlded so poorly, that I hope none of these Corpac guys go over just to prove a point.
And with a good line-indoc, no problem. But who's going to line indoc these guys? Another PC12 capt...?
I just can't see why any of the Corpac guys would or will go to sprint.
This whole event has been hanlded so poorly, that I hope none of these Corpac guys go over just to prove a point.
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P-180 Reality
I'd like to say that "onezerotenthousand" hit the nail on the head with the claim that the P-180 is good for the 500 mile trips and leave the PC-12's for the 3000'strips. A lot of truth in those thoughts.
Some of the things for the aspiring PC-12 drivers who want to go on the Piagio is the reality that it's speeds are signifcantly faster on approach and take off's. Also the AFM is overly optimisitic in what it can do on take off distance and because it opperates under CARS 703, it doesn't have to meet Balanced Field Lenghts which makes it a bit of a risky deal on short strips. The Vr is 106 and consider that the Vmca without a functioning auto-feather is 128, there is a huge potential for a disaster if it doesn't function because flight path direction and control would be utterly impossible should a fan stop at this critical phase of flight without autofeather. If one were to look at the accelerate stop distance they would discover it needs more than 4000' of runway, so it's not a "bush machine" at all, dispite the fact that some sales people think it is.
This machine is fun to fly, but significant practice on V1 cuts should be had to realize what a handful it can be when an engine quits at slow speed. It takes every ounce or rudder pressure you can muster up to get it flying straight. So to any single engine PC-12 driver, you'll find it quite an unforgiving aircraft if you're not well practiced on single engine stuff. Line indoc and good training are two different things as you don't practice single engine stuff with people in the back, so training is everything. Line indoc: get used to balancing fuel vs. payload as this aircarft can't carry more than 6 people (winter weights) without exceeding the Max ZFW, and if you take off with 6 people and fuel that brings you up to Max TOW, you better fly for close to an hour (350 miles) or you'll exceed the Max Landing Weight. This machine is challenging on training as well as out flying the line. It's a fun machine but it can bite you if you're not paying attention to the numbers.
Good luck with it Pilatus drivers.
As for Corpac, great company with some awesome people. A few people slammed them on this forum, but I think second hand gossip is crap and benieth our professional dignity.
Some of the things for the aspiring PC-12 drivers who want to go on the Piagio is the reality that it's speeds are signifcantly faster on approach and take off's. Also the AFM is overly optimisitic in what it can do on take off distance and because it opperates under CARS 703, it doesn't have to meet Balanced Field Lenghts which makes it a bit of a risky deal on short strips. The Vr is 106 and consider that the Vmca without a functioning auto-feather is 128, there is a huge potential for a disaster if it doesn't function because flight path direction and control would be utterly impossible should a fan stop at this critical phase of flight without autofeather. If one were to look at the accelerate stop distance they would discover it needs more than 4000' of runway, so it's not a "bush machine" at all, dispite the fact that some sales people think it is.
This machine is fun to fly, but significant practice on V1 cuts should be had to realize what a handful it can be when an engine quits at slow speed. It takes every ounce or rudder pressure you can muster up to get it flying straight. So to any single engine PC-12 driver, you'll find it quite an unforgiving aircraft if you're not well practiced on single engine stuff. Line indoc and good training are two different things as you don't practice single engine stuff with people in the back, so training is everything. Line indoc: get used to balancing fuel vs. payload as this aircarft can't carry more than 6 people (winter weights) without exceeding the Max ZFW, and if you take off with 6 people and fuel that brings you up to Max TOW, you better fly for close to an hour (350 miles) or you'll exceed the Max Landing Weight. This machine is challenging on training as well as out flying the line. It's a fun machine but it can bite you if you're not paying attention to the numbers.
Good luck with it Pilatus drivers.
As for Corpac, great company with some awesome people. A few people slammed them on this forum, but I think second hand gossip is crap and benieth our professional dignity.
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What all you mud slingers don't understand is the piaggio is a plane that must me flown with great respect. It ain't a craft that you can rub like a puss and she's puddy in your hands. SHE dictates what goes down. I've got 2500hrs in a PC12, 1000hrs in a P180, and 550 in a Da 50, as well as many other piston/turbine twins. The pizza was the most difficult to control. Don't even bring up the 3000' strips! ( I think i still have FFST's seat stuck in my ass after that famous summer Invermere flight.)
So; the salary should be the same for the boys if not raised. You make 60g's as capt'n on the excel.....you're getting ripped off bro! I make WAY more than you and my job consists of making sure the plane has enough water and wine 8 days a month. (no offence BMAC) Like air diddles says, don't hate the playa, hate the manaJaa.
I'm also updating my dj list after the Habs game tomorrow night........
So; the salary should be the same for the boys if not raised. You make 60g's as capt'n on the excel.....you're getting ripped off bro! I make WAY more than you and my job consists of making sure the plane has enough water and wine 8 days a month. (no offence BMAC) Like air diddles says, don't hate the playa, hate the manaJaa.
I'm also updating my dj list after the Habs game tomorrow night........
