Calgary

Flybabe · Post by **Flybabe** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:25 pm

Go Flames Go! Wave

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:27 pm

Slightly off topic, But fun all the same, i'll jump in....

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http://www.redneckworld.com/

http://members.tripod.com/~merilu88/

http://www.canadianredneck.com/

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:38 pm

Wait till my old YZF buddies find out that a knifer is slagging rednecks. Flyinfiddle next time a twin otter driver is standing on the dock wearing his stormrider jean jacket, go and tell him what you think of us rednecks. I am stunned at the total lack of respect!!! LOL

slowstream · Post by **slowstream** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:21 am

Tube Driver,

Yeah I know the definition of Redneck and the meaning which I used was deliberately used out of context. I am surprised with that big arts degree you could not figure that one out.........so just how much history & politics did you study for an Arts degree?

I am guessing not a lot because you would know that its history that got us to where we are today and it’s very relevant.

You know this is not my style to get into slamming; it only lowers a person but man this gets tiring listening to this Western/Albertan B.S. People need to think before they speak, get the facts straight and learn some humility. Propagating these threads of intolerance and arrogance only bring us down as whole a province and sadly do not represent all of us accurately.

Tube Driver, I am sure you are proud of your degree and probably worked hard for it but think about what you stated and its benefit. What did it …………….serve?

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:56 am

Determined. As far as I kow, petrtoleum/mineral rights are under provincial control, not federal. Therefore, as an Albertan (one who lives, works and pays taxes in Alberta), all I need to really do IS sit on it.
What people in the east don't understand is the resentment felt towards Ottawa. $240,000,000,000 transferred in payment over the last forty years - or a million/hour. None has come back to pay for our infrastructure. And lets not delve into the NEP that retarded the Alberta economy for ten years. And please tell me what did Ottawa do about BSE? Are the borders open? Seems to me the only attempt at any bailout was from Ralph, not Jean/Paul. Then there is the Wheat Board that almost exclusively supports Eastern wheat farmers while putting Albertans in jail.
If your worried about Alberta's petroleum running dry in twenty years, Ottawa better start digging a new well to go to.

flynfiddle · Post by **flynfiddle** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:21 pm

Arrow, my most humble apologies to you and your bretheren. It is nice however to see some of you have a sense of humour

I do work with a bunch of Alberta boys but to my knowledge none of them are rednecks (in what I believe to be a "redneck").. I'll get back to you on that one.

Flybabe · Post by **Flybabe** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:38 pm

Flynfiddle... oh yes they are, the roots run deep

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:55 pm

More Fact;
THE GIVE AND TAKE OF CONFEDERATION
Total and annual per capita federal fiscal transfers 1961 - 1992

Province Total (billions of $ 1994) Per Capita ($ 1994)

GIVERS
AB 138.8 2,096
Ont. 45 183

TAKERS
Nfld. -56.3 -3,166
PEI. -15.3 -3,945
NS -94.7 -3,525
NB -63 -2,867
Que. -167.6 -803
Man. -50.3 -1,501
Sask. -36.4 -1,157
BC -6.1 -11
Terr -26.4 -12,241

Source: Robert Mancell & Ronald Schlenkler Canadian Business Economics, winter 1995.

These figures compiled showed that by 1985, the NEP and its related tax policies had resulted in the net transfer of wealth from the producing provinces to the federal government and energy consumers of aproximately $100 billion. Ninety per cent of it had been sucked out of Alberta.
The Liberal allegation that Alberta wasn't carrying its share of national fiscal burdon, has been exposed as a lie. Between 1961 and 1992, Alberta's net contribution to the federal treasury (the difference in what Ottawa collected in the province, and what it spent) was $139 billion, or $2,096 for every Albertan. With the exeption of Ontario, all other provinces' federal expenditures and transfers exeeded their contributions to the federal treasury.
Rather than the spoiled brats of confederaton, unwilling to share, Alberta has contributed more to Canada than any other province. In fact, Mancell's research - which was never successfully challenged - indicated that during the 27 years he examined, Albertans had been subjected to the largest per capita transfer of wealth ever recorded in a democratic nation.

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:06 pm

Slowstream what do you mean learn some humility? All I was doing was standing up for those you were slagging. Pardon me for correcting you on the correct use of the term redneck. Do you think that those people come from a certain part of Africa that bears the same name as a degrogatory term enjoy being called one. There is no humility to be learned here but perhaps you should learn some politcal correctness.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:42 pm

....as i was saying, calgary is great. Very passionate people too... Wave

The Dangerzone! · Post by **The Dangerzone!** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:29 pm

just another pilot, for the record Im from Ontario,so Im a giver

But seriously,you cant deny the fact that the oil and gas reserves contributed imensly to Alberta being such a wealthy, generous province. Not to slag Albertans by any means, but lets be honest, does Alberta really produce a disproportionate amount of successful entrepreneurs then the rest of the country, creating such an abundance of wealth in the country? I dont think so. If it wasnt for those poor east coast provinces this country wouldnt be here, 100+ years ago it was the lifeline to the country. Im not sayin the takers shouldnt be greatful for the "generosity" of Abertans, I just dont think its appropriate,or Canadian(that one could start a war!) to act like"texans" because you guys have had a good kick at the can over the last 40 years. Like I said before we are in this together, well excluding the french

Now if you were native,then I could understand were you are comin from a little more, but just cause you guys stole land that happened to be sitting over oil,dont run down other provinces,who didnt fare so well with the land that they stole. it was all luck.
Just my (non history\economics\political science) two cents of course.
By the way Im sure Albertans are all wonderful people, butwe should get a thread like this going regarding Quebec City,now that would be fun

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:10 pm

I wouldn't deny it any more than Saudi or Kuwait would. It is Alberta's resource to sell at world market price. I certainly don't see lumber or hydro revenues transferred this way. Despite Ottawa's meddlesome tax and energy programs, Alberta business and tax structure still draws foreign investment.
A good kick at the can? I guess, when the wicked Sheriff of Knott (Ottawa) isn't around to collect his "taxes". "Un" Canadian? It was a liberal Trudeau that tried to repeal rights of Albertans with pressure and threats for consessions regarding natural resource rights. BTW, some of Albertas natives are the richest in the world.
If you really want to understand western alienation, you must read up on the October 28th, 1980 National Energy Program designed to slit the throats of Albertans. Not only was it a bad program, but it was intentionally designed to diminish the political power and control in Alberta. How Canadian was that? Add to that, the official opposition sat and watched for four years and laughed. That was John Crosbie, then Joe Clarke's right hand man. Blame of Joe Clarke's loss of his minority government in the re - election of Trudeau in 1980 was put sqarely on Lougheed - and Alberta.
Of course now, Joe would never support a western grass root party.

slowstream · Post by **slowstream** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:06 pm

Tube Driver,

We've beaten this to death and it serves no purpose and merits no additional slinging; this will be the last post for me on this matter.

You need some help man! You have a good talent at missing points, you did not correct me on any terms but apparently you did miss my point. As for the rest................???? There is no relevance so I'll leave it be.

I'll assume that it would have just been too difficult for you to say “Glad you like it here, we think it’s great"

Life must be tough when you’re that bitter heyTube Driver?

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:29 pm

Slowstream I was just defending myself. You started the pesonal attacks.

The Dangerzone! · Post by **The Dangerzone!** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:39 pm

Yeah but a good argument is always mentally stimulating, and hey we all learned somethin too

flynfiddle · Post by **flynfiddle** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:58 pm

Ok Arrow and Flybabe, I was informed today that I do indeed work with proud Albertan red necks AND I was enlightened on the holy garment (aka. the stormrider jean jacket).. Roger that!

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:00 am

Edmonton's better.

Flybabe · Post by **Flybabe** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:55 am

LMAO.. spruce.. we'll let you believe that

I kinda miss the old north-south rivalry

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:09 am

Yup, better at ruining really good airports.

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:38 am

People back east have no idea - nor do they appear to care the slightest - at how pissed off the west is.

We can see here that they are simply in denial of the facts, when they bother to think about it at all.

long_pitot · Post by **long_pitot** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:43 pm

yeah, but what are the girls like????

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:59 pm

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http://www.stampedegirls.com/
http://www.coldgirls.com/

see for yourself

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:31 pm

The "pissing off" started back in 1963 with the Pearson Liberals. As soon as they took power, they began undermining Deifenbaker's NOP (National Oil Policy), which split the nation in two at the Ottawa river. Refineries in provinces to the east of the so-called Borden line (named for the chairman of the 1959 Royal Commision that proposed it) could buy cheaper oil, while those west of the river were compelled to buy petroleum pumped from the western basin.
They (the Liberals) began subsidizing refining capacity in Quebec and Atlantic provinces, largely with tax revenue collected on Ontario and the West. They then turned a blind eye when products from these new plants began creeping over the Borden line. The cheaper oil, gas and petrochemicals from these Liberal-built refineries soon began stealing large industrial customers from refiners using Western resources. This, combined with Nixon's imposed import controls, taxes on Canadian oil and finally OPEC's oil embargo, finished the NOP. This was the catalyst for the Trudeau - Lougheed energy war.
Marc Lalonde said the Grits had three objectives for wrestling control of energy policy from Alberta. The first two were well known: security and supply and increasing Canadian ownership in the oil patch (Alberta built its wealth and petroleum infrastructure from multi-national investment - not Ottawa or Bay street). The third was not publicly revealed until 1990, in an essay Lalonde contributed to a book titled Toward a just Society (Markham: Viking). He said Ottawa needed "a share of tax revenues commensurate with the additional burden imposed upon it by programs set up to mitigate the effects of rising petroleum prices."
In other words, the Liberals needed a larger share of energy revenues to pay for the programs they created to subsidize enery prices in central and eastern Canada, home to the country's most reliable Liberal voters.

Some things never change. Up next - the WCC (The Western Canada Concept).

tcas · Post by **tcas** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:03 pm

Definition of REDNECK.....It the general mark left on the back of the neck of an F/O while servicing a Captain. Remember folks you are all F/O's at some point! Canada kicks A$$ from East to West.

djarfur · Post by **djarfur** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:44 pm

haha tcas...

i'm lookin at a move to yyc myself. I was just there two weeks ago and I gotta say it's a likeable place. People there are less snobby than here in Vancouver

Or from my experience. So where's the best area to live? People tell me SW is... what do you Calgarians here think?