Interesting how these threads evolve.
I'm still considering doing sea plane training for them part time.
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Re: Who is the narrows? That's us!
Gee, doesn't sound like any pilots i've metmomto3 wrote:Many of them thought they were too good to be doing some of the work required of them (even though their duties were clearly explained upon hiring), and many of them had an attitude that they "knew it all already"
the internet is for two things. Porn and a place for the jaded and ignorant to bless the rest of the world with their opinion. It's true that people are moved to write comments about things they are unhappy about rather than their possitive experiences. Almost every airline in canada has been badmouthed on this forum by someone with a grudge, while there are very few posts ever started praising a company. Mainly because happy people have better things to do with their lives than sit around on the computer by themselves and hurl insults out into space.
Don't ever think that because something is babbled about on a forum such as this one that it is remotely close to the truth.
My 2 cents on the issue.
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A course I took once mentioned that 10% of workers are negative, 80% will do the work asked of them, and the remaining 10% are willing to step in and do things better.
From my experiance, I'd like to add this: When negative talk starts, the 80% become negative very quickly; when the conversation is positive, they are slow to respond, but eventually will add something worthwhile to the discussion.
I think a word of thanks should go to our moderators who are trying to fill that role.
From my experiance, I'd like to add this: When negative talk starts, the 80% become negative very quickly; when the conversation is positive, they are slow to respond, but eventually will add something worthwhile to the discussion.
I think a word of thanks should go to our moderators who are trying to fill that role.
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Wow this thread has gone much further then expected. Let’s start with those testimonials; I have seen the same ones one there for over a year with only one new one after another summer run. Where are all of the people from your most recent course???
You say all of your students are well informed before they arrive but you have had commercial pilot’s with their float rating’s arrive stay for a few weeks and leave because they were only driving the tractors. This is supposed to be a more economical way for student’s to achieve that so called 50 hour mark; it seems more like a way to get people to come and pay to try out for a job, supplement your work force with cheap labor that you then make a profit off.
Student’s did some of the invoicing there and found that students were being billed for the dead legs and some camp check/resupply runs. Does a reputable operator do this; they are getting the students money as a bonus.
The worst thing of all is how they sell time and job’s. Seems that selling time on the Beaver has been removed from the site but you last year could do your ski training on the Beaver. It included some float time but there was about 25 hours on the Beaver. As for a job a student cannot get one flying unless they have 250 hours on floats. However every year they offer a student a job if they would like to purchase the other time required to get to the minimum.
You say all of your students are well informed before they arrive but you have had commercial pilot’s with their float rating’s arrive stay for a few weeks and leave because they were only driving the tractors. This is supposed to be a more economical way for student’s to achieve that so called 50 hour mark; it seems more like a way to get people to come and pay to try out for a job, supplement your work force with cheap labor that you then make a profit off.
Student’s did some of the invoicing there and found that students were being billed for the dead legs and some camp check/resupply runs. Does a reputable operator do this; they are getting the students money as a bonus.
The worst thing of all is how they sell time and job’s. Seems that selling time on the Beaver has been removed from the site but you last year could do your ski training on the Beaver. It included some float time but there was about 25 hours on the Beaver. As for a job a student cannot get one flying unless they have 250 hours on floats. However every year they offer a student a job if they would like to purchase the other time required to get to the minimum.
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Gee Bee:
What did you get paid per hour for working at the lodge or wherever?
Was it below the minimum wage for the province you were working in?
What did you get paid per hour for working at the lodge or wherever?
Was it below the minimum wage for the province you were working in?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Gee Bee ... you are scaring me just a little, I would have to question if you really know enough of the industry you've chosen to make a career in. You seem to not have enough knowledge on the expenses one has to incur when owning an airservice. Just as an example, I'm pretty sure, no ... not just pretty sure, I know that I am most definitely not making a huge profit from our students or the lodge (especially when we bill the aircraft out to the employing company for much lower than what we bill out for other "3rd party work" so to speak ) ... (because we do have a relationship with the employing company we are acutally able to do this ... they give us a lot of perks too!) and we, despite what you think, actually have to incur the operating costs (insurance, maintenance, fuel), wages of our airplanes, etc.. for all the hours you fly and all those 'other' flights we do. Not to mention other expenses we have to pay back to the other company involved and of course to our wonderful government (taxes, payroll remitances etc.), for certain things directly related to our students ... you really have no idea on the "inside" look. And on the flip side, yes we actually do have to make a little money so our company can survive, but believe you me it is most definitely not at your expense!!! You are earning your wage (if you work that is) and paying for your training - its that simple! Your opinions are appreciated but not quite 100% full of the "whole scope" of things, but after working only a couple of weeks, that's to be expected. You decided this wasn't for you, and you know what, we don't fault or blame you for that. Everyone has a vision on what's best for them, after trying it for a couple weeks I think we both agreed it wasn't right for either of us!!! No big deal, move on and find what's right for you.
If this world were a perfect place noone would charge anybody a single dime for the use of their airplane(s) ... but can we really operate for nothing? If we could, what a dream. You would be able to fly across the world without having to pay air canada or whomever a dime! Sign me up!!! The bills incurred for owning a business and particulary an airservice are quite extensive (as most people seem to already know this who work or make a living in this industry), and how about the seemingly small stuff required to "maintain" your business so to speak (updating websites etc..). If you're volunteering to pay my webmaster his fees for work done (because coincidentally he's figured out that he can't give away his services) to our website than great, I'll happily add more testimonials to please you. If you don't want to foot the cost for me, than I would suggest you leave worrying about the currency of my website to me. I've said it once already but I think maybe you forgot to read that part, I have a great list of references should anybody require them, just because I don't want to continually update my website ($$$$) doesn't mean I don't have "new" testimonies.
You've already misrepesented the so called "demise" of our flight school in Lloydminster (it wasn't a demise at all ... we sold it to invest in another company) but no worries, I don't hold a grudge, its not my job to judge you.
I wish you luck in your future endeavours. My words of wisdom for you would come from Psalm 35 in the bible. It's not our job to judge people whom we personally feel have wronged us.
Sincerely,
Angela Baynton
If this world were a perfect place noone would charge anybody a single dime for the use of their airplane(s) ... but can we really operate for nothing? If we could, what a dream. You would be able to fly across the world without having to pay air canada or whomever a dime! Sign me up!!! The bills incurred for owning a business and particulary an airservice are quite extensive (as most people seem to already know this who work or make a living in this industry), and how about the seemingly small stuff required to "maintain" your business so to speak (updating websites etc..). If you're volunteering to pay my webmaster his fees for work done (because coincidentally he's figured out that he can't give away his services) to our website than great, I'll happily add more testimonials to please you. If you don't want to foot the cost for me, than I would suggest you leave worrying about the currency of my website to me. I've said it once already but I think maybe you forgot to read that part, I have a great list of references should anybody require them, just because I don't want to continually update my website ($$$$) doesn't mean I don't have "new" testimonies.
You've already misrepesented the so called "demise" of our flight school in Lloydminster (it wasn't a demise at all ... we sold it to invest in another company) but no worries, I don't hold a grudge, its not my job to judge you.
I wish you luck in your future endeavours. My words of wisdom for you would come from Psalm 35 in the bible. It's not our job to judge people whom we personally feel have wronged us.
Sincerely,
Angela Baynton
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question for momto3
momto3
I think that it is too bad that you are receiving such a bad reputation if it is unwarranted.
One of the posters said that he knew that you were billing your students while they were doing revenue flights for your lodge. Is this true? I personally think that it is wrong to be charging your students as well as your guests.
If so what are you charging your students to fly your 172 and what are you charging lodge guests during these flights?
Remember if you choose to answer these questions that your Bible says to tell the truth or something like that.
I think that it is too bad that you are receiving such a bad reputation if it is unwarranted.
One of the posters said that he knew that you were billing your students while they were doing revenue flights for your lodge. Is this true? I personally think that it is wrong to be charging your students as well as your guests.
If so what are you charging your students to fly your 172 and what are you charging lodge guests during these flights?
Remember if you choose to answer these questions that your Bible says to tell the truth or something like that.
My last post on this,I'm off to kelowna to start my float rateing.It's funny how 2 positive testimonies pop up after the owner speaks up.I worked at a lodge years ago where they made up there own testimonies.......could be the same.I grew up in northeren manitoba and have talked to a few operators and they all do not mind the compition,just not the scabs(there words,not mine)that jump from one area to the other to pick the cream of the flying.The operators are stuck trying to make a liveing during the slow months,while Bakers are jumping into someone's elses area.I also talked to a fellow in Split who said the only reason the local guy got on the beaver,was to get the flying in the area.(whick was a wise thing)They were not paying him very much,and last year demanded a raise or else.I think he is making what a 172 pilot should make......but flying a beaver.
They bill the student at 250 an hour for a Cessna 172 with a 220 franklin CS, however they bill the lodge for the flights in the name of the student at 200 an hour. They charge 170 for a round trip fly out, and if they go on a fly out they pay the 170 plus tx for the return flight. If the student is flying the student is normally paying. Your doing a favor and logging time. Students don't fly the plane when the lodge guests are on board but if its an empty plane or the cargo is non-living with the exception of Natives to Puk.
How do private pilots log time would that not be 702/703 work?
They do have a pilot from Split lake. He normally keeps one beaver there, I have no clue what they pay him but the wages are not over 2g a month to drive their Beavers.
Not to offend the religious but some of the biggest swindlers and lairs
hide behind the good book.
How do private pilots log time would that not be 702/703 work?
They do have a pilot from Split lake. He normally keeps one beaver there, I have no clue what they pay him but the wages are not over 2g a month to drive their Beavers.
Not to offend the religious but some of the biggest swindlers and lairs
hide behind the good book.
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Hey momto3
If you really want the bashing to stop why don't you tell us what you... charge per mile per airplane,
what you charge a student per hour
what your embeded cost is in the packages for your guests to fly into your lodge?
Throw in the hourly wage if you work at the lodge.
That might clear the air?
If you really want the bashing to stop why don't you tell us what you... charge per mile per airplane,
what you charge a student per hour
what your embeded cost is in the packages for your guests to fly into your lodge?
Throw in the hourly wage if you work at the lodge.
That might clear the air?
Gee Bee ... You're right that so many "religious" people hide behind the bible, but thank goodness for me I'm not "religious". I am a proud christian and boy there is a huge difference. If you would like me to explain it just give me a pm or call me. Oh, did you know a lot of non "religious" type of people are liars and swindlers? I'll let you figure that one out Bee Gee.
I've said it once and I'll say it again ... if anyone would like to know anything about us, just give us a call or a private message. It's not hard to see that Gee Bee "thinks" he/she knows how it all works, but the last post confirms they are missing some pretty important details. Please don't pretend you know how we "do" it all, what we pay our "paid pilots" and what we charge people for our services. You are seeing only one side of the issue without knowing how the rest of it knits together. Now you're just being silly!
Sincerely,
Angela Baynton
I've said it once and I'll say it again ... if anyone would like to know anything about us, just give us a call or a private message. It's not hard to see that Gee Bee "thinks" he/she knows how it all works, but the last post confirms they are missing some pretty important details. Please don't pretend you know how we "do" it all, what we pay our "paid pilots" and what we charge people for our services. You are seeing only one side of the issue without knowing how the rest of it knits together. Now you're just being silly!
Sincerely,
Angela Baynton
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Thank you wingman!!
People make the industry... Some of the first digited mamals in space were chimps.... Looks good on a resume but their customer service was terrible... I dont see many in the bush flying in hunters and fishermen... Its hard to spin a yarn when you cant talk... Attitude is extremely important... I find and have been told that an experience is what you make of it. I trained at Air Hart and loved it, the only thing I didnt learn in my experience there was the art of knots!
I flew at the same time as others who were complaining that they wernt getting much out of the course. You get out what you put in! Air Hart did not promise me employment nor did they promise pie in the sky dreams... Instead I was told to go work the dock for a year and see whats out there... I got a dock job with the promise of 30 hrs in a 185 floats and took it! I was quickly introduced to the "Wonderful world of dockhands" It was the sh1ts ... 16 hour says plumbing house building truck washing ....Being a B1tch.... I made the best of it and kept a professional attitude and a smile on my face... I got offered a 180 job that june in the Yukon and jumped on it. I fle 350 hrs with them and never looked back I got lucky but I sure learned alot on the dock... Things that may save your life.
Float training should give you the fundimentals but it is what the "pErson" does with the fundimentals that makes a great pilot and you will find your way into a good situation.
Great discussion all thanks
People make the industry... Some of the first digited mamals in space were chimps.... Looks good on a resume but their customer service was terrible... I dont see many in the bush flying in hunters and fishermen... Its hard to spin a yarn when you cant talk... Attitude is extremely important... I find and have been told that an experience is what you make of it. I trained at Air Hart and loved it, the only thing I didnt learn in my experience there was the art of knots!
I flew at the same time as others who were complaining that they wernt getting much out of the course. You get out what you put in! Air Hart did not promise me employment nor did they promise pie in the sky dreams... Instead I was told to go work the dock for a year and see whats out there... I got a dock job with the promise of 30 hrs in a 185 floats and took it! I was quickly introduced to the "Wonderful world of dockhands" It was the sh1ts ... 16 hour says plumbing house building truck washing ....Being a B1tch.... I made the best of it and kept a professional attitude and a smile on my face... I got offered a 180 job that june in the Yukon and jumped on it. I fle 350 hrs with them and never looked back I got lucky but I sure learned alot on the dock... Things that may save your life.
Float training should give you the fundimentals but it is what the "pErson" does with the fundimentals that makes a great pilot and you will find your way into a good situation.
Great discussion all thanks
