Airline Pilot Haters

pika · Post by **pika** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:10 am

You know who you are. Why so much anger towards your fellow airmen? Its always the non-Airbus crowd that knows the most about why the Airbus is garbage. Same as the non-airline crowd around here that knows why the job is garbage. What's with that boys? Jealous? Bitter? Surely a bunch of incompetent airline pilots don't intimidate you, do they?

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:35 am

Hey do these things really work?

My towels just don't come out as soft as they should. Does anyone have any recommendations?

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:36 am

I have only ever heard positive comments from those who drive the bus.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:44 am

Pika, in some, maybe even most cases, it's the "green eyed monster". The mighty Boeing/Airbus/DC whathaveyou look pretty kewl to the untrained eye. But then, I guess, to some a Greyhound Bus looks pretty kewl. Or a big eighteen wheeler? I don't think it takes any great skill as an aviator to fly a auto throttle, auto land equiped airliner? Should be able to run Lotus 1,2,3? You guys don't really get to FLY.....at least out of the SIM.
But, I don't think anybody "hates" airline pilots. I do, however think that guys who have been taking all the crap up the butt hole, trying to build time, so some self centered HR person with a BA, sitting in some office, will call them in for an interview, should have a "kick at the cat" WAY before some, snot nosed, everything paid for, spoiled brat, from some aviation college!
And, I'd guess, that's pretty much where you're picking up these vibes?
And I, on a personal level will NEVER AGAIN SET FOOT ON AN AIRCRAFT OWNED BY JAZZ! But hey, that's just me.

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:12 pm

Doc wrote: And I, on a personal level will NEVER AGAIN SET FOOT ON AN AIRCRAFT OWNED BY JAZZ! But hey, that's just me.

Until the next time you need to go somewhere only served by Jazz... but after that never again!!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:21 pm

And where, pray tell, would Jazz go, that I couldn't go by car? Or swim? Or sail? Or just say "screw it" and stay home?? Sorry, Jazz is off my list.

frontside_air · Post by **frontside_air** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:47 pm

different boats for different folks

ideally this industry would be big enough for everyone to kick the chocks off something that lets them enjoy the type of flying they do and it's looking more and more like that time is now. if you don't like the direction your career is moving, change it and you'll find your attitude improving. there are a lot of people in this line of work who do a lot of bitching and moaning about the industry/pay/conditions/et alia. if you have reached the point where you don't think the price of admission isn't worth the payoff in the grand scheme of things then man up and check out. things are gonna be the way they're gonna be, no sense in losing sleep over crap you can't change.

Doc wrote: Jazz is off my list.

this airline non grata list would be pretty long if it includes every one with a cadet program

pika · Post by **pika** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:27 pm

Pika, in some, maybe even most cases, it's the "green eyed monster". The mighty Boeing/Airbus/DC whathaveyou look pretty kewl to the untrained eye. But then, I guess, to some a Greyhound Bus looks pretty kewl. Or a big eighteen wheeler? I don't think it takes any great skill as an aviator to fly a auto throttle, auto land equiped airliner? Should be able to run Lotus 1,2,3? You guys don't really get to FLY.....at least out of the SIM.
But, I don't think anybody "hates" airline pilots. I do, however think that guys who have been taking all the crap up the butt hole, trying to build time, so some self centered HR person with a BA, sitting in some office, will call them in for an interview, should have a "kick at the cat" WAY before some, snot nosed, everything paid for, spoiled brat, from some aviation college!
And, I'd guess, that's pretty much where you're picking up these vibes?
And I, on a personal level will NEVER AGAIN SET FOOT ON AN AIRCRAFT OWNED BY JAZZ! But hey, that's just me.

I need a focus here. What is it that you are so pissed off about?

1. Airline pilots that don't do much hand flying thus lack skill?
2. Anbody that "put their time in" should be at Jazz?
3. College graduates? Why do you assume all are snot nosed spoiled brats who were given an education?
4. Lotus 1 2 3? (ps. try Excel, its way better)

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:52 pm

Hey, you asked the question, Pika. I just tried to answer it. I don't really care to make it a pissing match. Don't like the answer? I don't really care.

pika · Post by **pika** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:05 pm

Here's another question for you doc. Since you like predictions so much and all (see thread about music stopping)... With your vast regional airline flying experince what problems do you forsee for the Jazz new hires and what upcoming incident that is keeping you off Jazz airplanes will likely occur? A timeline would also be appreciated so I know when I can get in a Jazz airplane where the new hire can land it on a single engine with a complete hydraulic failure while NORDO down to minimums on a circling approach in heavy snow while the Captain battles a heart attack.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:09 pm

There's only one way to solve this....

GOOGLE FIGHT!!!!

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?la ... &word2=doc

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:10 pm

Airline pilots are mature, intelligent, pillars of society, who would never stoop to pissing matches, while hiding behind computer screens. And neither will some lowly charter pilots.

Paciflyer · Post by **Paciflyer** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:24 pm

Doc.... I sense, and for the most part share your frustration. Time will tell of concequence - in the meantime take solstice in knowing they'll NEVER come to appreciate nor understand aviation as we do. "Glorified computer monitors"....I say let em have it.

Freedom is what you make it, or conversly....what you DON'T make it - enjoy the Citab

185_guy · Post by **185_guy** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:12 pm

desksgo Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject:

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Hey do these things really work?

Yup, they do

jetway · Post by **jetway** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:46 pm

...in the meantime take solstice in knowing they'll NEVER come to appreciate nor understand aviation as we do

You can't take solstice, it always happens around December and June...Solace, however can be passed around.
Damn my English major. Sorry.

backon3 · Post by **backon3** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:16 pm

Wow... if only they said I wouldn't ever have to fly again when I joined Big Red. aka"everyone's enemy". If you say that you never fly an airliner, then well, you've never flown an airliner. Just because you can stick and rudder an airplane around and stuff up north doesn't make you better, it makes you different. Landing twin otter in Cambridge Bay vs River Visual in Washington DC at night in gusty winds with multiple traffic alerts and runway changes while turning final at 400'. Don't ever say I don't fly my airplane. But then again it's just pushin buttons right??

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:04 pm

Doc wrote: And I, on a personal level will NEVER AGAIN SET FOOT ON AN AIRCRAFT OWNED BY JAZZ! But hey, that's just me.

Well thats ok, cause we all know that Jazz is actually owned by aircanada so you can fly them next week right.

TFE731 · Post by **TFE731** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:46 pm

Paciflyer wrote:...in the meantime take solstice in knowing they'll NEVER come to appreciate nor understand aviation as we do. "Glorified computer monitors"....I say let em have it.

Wow that's quite the bold statement. "They" as in ALL of them? "NEVER"?!

Buddy I have to genuinely ask.....what do you know, honestly?

wow

QBalls · Post by **QBalls** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:32 pm

Doc wrote:I don't think it takes any great skill as an aviator to fly a auto throttle, auto land equiped airliner? Should be able to run Lotus 1,2,3? You guys don't really get to FLY.....at least out of the SIM.

Funny that's not quite what was going through my mind the other day when I had to fly the steep approach to rwy 26 at CYTZ in honking gusty crosswind conditions with crazy control inputs to keep betsy from bucking out of control. When the winds are howling from the North West those downtown buildings really add some punch on the approach. Yes we hand fly those approaches and we are an airline. Never did know Lotus 123.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:30 pm

QBalls:

" Funny that's not quite what was going through my mind the other day when I had to fly the steep approach to rwy 26 at CYTZ in honking gusty crosswind conditions with crazy control inputs to keep betsy from bucking out of control. When the winds are howling from the North West those downtown buildings really add some punch on the approach. "

What was the wind direction and strength that required such " crazy " control inputs?

Sounds real scary.

Schlem · Post by **Schlem** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:48 pm

backon3 wrote: Landing twin otter in Cambridge Bay vs River Visual in Washington DC at night in gusty winds with multiple traffic alerts and runway changes while turning final at 400'. Don't ever say I don't fly my airplane. But then again it's just pushin buttons right??

Some airline pilots fly Boeings into Cambridge bay with gusty winds, slow Twin Otters to deal with, and no buttons too push.

QBalls · Post by **QBalls** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:59 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
What was the wind direction and strength that required such " crazy " control inputs?

Sounds real scary.

Hey Cat Driver,

Don't get me wrong, it was challenging but not scary and by crazy control inputs I meant that you had to really work them to keep the aircraft going where it should be. If it is scary then it probably means that you've gotten in over your head and it's time to get outta there. Skill was certainly required and that was my point with regards to Doc's comment. I'm not saying that I'm a super pilot or anything close to it, just another airline pilot doing his/her job which requires varying levels of skill depending on the day. There are days when the going is real easy and there are others when you have to call upon all that you have learned so far. I'm sure you'll agree that every kind of flying from bush to airline requires its own set of skills and has unique challenges. Skill is skill and we aquire it through training and practice. It is quite ignorant to say that one group dosen't require it.
Happy flying!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:02 pm

" Another "aviation god"...., you were a bitter old fart when I met you 12 years ago, and I see things haven't changed... "

Thats interesting Johnnie, 12 years ago I handed in my Charter OC and started working off shore, where did we last meet?

And I'm damned if I can think of any reason I would be bitter considering the life I lived the last 12 years.

You obviously don't really know me that well.

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:05 pm

Maybe it was a different Cat Driver...were you not flying the Canso around the world on some Jaques Costeau show? If i'm wrong, I appologize in advance...

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:08 pm

Qballs.....what type of "auto throttle, auto land" type of "airliner" were you operating in YTZ?? BTW, I used to work out of YTZ for several years. It can get gusty, but no "airliner" goes there......I don't think a Q400 has auto land?