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Here is a stupid question that has nothing to do with aviation for you all to wonder about. Say it was possible to dig a hole directly through the center of the earth and out the other side, a perfectly straight and plum hole. Then you were standing on one side and dropped a bowling ball into the hole would it come out the other side? Or just float somewhere in the middle?

I was out for a walk and for some reason, and I was sober, I thought of that... what do you think?
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There was a marijuana thread here just the other day, I suggest you do a search for it.

Your avatar was fascinating when I first saw it, now I hate it like that bubblegum song that goes round and round in your head? Here, I'll sing it for you so you can share it with me...
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So you're saying you don't know?
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xsbank wrote:There was a marijuana thread here just the other day, I suggest you do a search for it.

Your avatar was fascinating when I first saw it, now I hate it like that bubblegum song that goes round and round in your head? Here, I'll sing it for you so you can share it with me...
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gravity would attract it to the center of the earth (i.e hell). So the ball will end up in hell.
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If one assumed that the earth was symmetrical and had consistent density, and IFF the hole to the other side had the air evacuated out of it (ie no aero drag) ...

When you drop your bowling ball, it will fall to the center of the earth, gaining speed as it goes. At the center of the earth, it will be at maximum velocity, and there will be no gravity. It will travel up, slower and slower, until it arrives at the surface at the other side of the earth at the same velocity that you dropped it in, on the other side.

Oh yeah, I forgot, this is also assuming the moon isn't there. Tides, anyone?

In real life, with aerodynamic drag robbing your energy, what's going to happen it that it's not going to get as much speed on the way down, and it won't get all the way up to the surface on the other side. Thereupon, it will fall down again. As it says on the shampoo bottle, rinse, lather, repeat. Boing boing boing it will go, back and forth, lower and lower, until it stops at the center of the earth, all of it's potential energy converted into warming the air up in the hole.

Hey Cmax, you wanna calculate all of the above? :wink:
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this is my theory.

assuming the hole went straight through the centre of the earth, the aformentioned ball would accelerate to it's terminal velocity (no more acceleration due to wind resistance). A skydiver falls between 120 mph and 160 mph depending wether they are falling belly first or are head-down. So I would imagine the ball would be going somewhere around that speed.

At the very instant the ball passed by the centre of the earth, it would start to decelerate, or accelerate in the opposite direction. It would not take very long for it to slow down from, let's say, 200 mph, and go back the other way. It would go back and forth with the oscillations decreasing each time, until it stayed hovering in the centre of the earth.

Let's say there was no air resistance, so the ball would steadily accelerate until reaching the centre of the earth. If you were at 300' asl, and you dropped the ball from shoulder height, 5 feet, the ball would come out the other side of the hole, lets say the elevation on the other side of the globe was the same 300', the ball would come out of the hole, 5 feet, and then go straight back down again. and come back out on our lovely side of the panet and rise up to your shoulder height.

If any one else has any coments to make on my logic, I would love to hear it!

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No thank you, had 'nough for today :smt015

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Frig Hedley you beat me to it,

you faster typer.



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Post by Hedley »

you beat me to it
No biggie - great minds obviously think alike :wink:
you faster
That's what she said last night :lol:

But seriously ... back when the earth was still cooling, and dinosaurs roamed the earth, and there were NO PC's, no internet, no cellphone, etc ...

Yes, it was the 70's, and I was in high school. The long-suffering guidance counsellor told me that I couldn't just take all the math and physics and shop courses, I had to take some "humanities" courses or something like that.

So, I took Typing I. Remember, computers as we know them didn't exist back then - punch cards were pretty hot stuff. But so were the girls in typing class. I was the only guy. I got to like typing, so I took Typing II to fill out my humanities list, and to spend some more time with the girls.

Never in my wildest dreams did I imaging that learning to type 70 words per minute would come in handy down the road.

Holy sh1t has the world changed since then. Mostly for the better, I might add. Compare one liter superbikes, what we have today, to what we rode back in the 70's (!!). And of course now there's GPS, headsets with boom mikes, PTT, intercoms, ANR, stormscope, XM Nexrad, etc.

Still flying the same 210hp Maule that we got back in 1971:

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Except instead of me flying it, my kids do :wink:
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Post by Strega »

gravity is defined by GMm/r2 as per mr newton, and the center of mass of the earth is not at the geometrical center, so the bowling ball would still "fall" to the centroid of the earths mass!

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For the sake of argument assume that the center of the earths mass is in the geometric center of the earth, and through some engineering miracle the tunnel was directly through the center of everything... I just think it would be strange to be standing at the other side of the hole and catch a bowling ball coming up at you....
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[quote="Hedley"]If one assumed that the earth was symmetrical and had consistent density, and IFF the hole to the other side had the air evacuated out of it (ie no aero drag) ...

When you drop your bowling ball, it will fall to the center of the earth, gaining speed as it goes. At the center of the earth, it will be at maximum velocity, and there will be no gravity. It will travel up, slower and slower, until it arrives at the surface at the other side of the earth at the same velocity that you dropped it in, on the other side.

Oh yeah, I forgot, this is also assuming the moon isn't there. Tides, anyone?

In real life, with aerodynamic drag robbing your energy, what's going to happen it that it's not going to get as much speed on the way down, and it won't get all the way up to the surface on the other side. Thereupon, it will fall down again. As it says on the shampoo bottle, rinse, lather, repeat. Boing boing boing it will go, back and forth, lower and lower, until it stops at the center of the earth, all of it's potential energy converted into warming the air up in the hole.

Hey Cmax, you wanna calculate all of the above? :wink:[/quote]

And you think global warming is a stretch?? :)
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It also turns out that even if the hole doesn't go through the centre of the earth, the time the ball takes to get from one side to the other is the same - about 42 minutes (Assuming constant density). I think this was mentioned before, but I'll say it again: With no air resistance, the ball will under go simple harmonic motion. With air resistance, the ball will undergo damped simple harmonic motion, and will eventually just float at the midway point in the tube.
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Did anyone ever find the answer to the friction producing heat question about how long it would take a dog to fu.k a pail of water to a boil?
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JustW wrote:For the sake of argument assume that the center of the earths mass is in the geometric center of the earth, and through some engineering miracle the tunnel was directly through the center of everything... I just think it would be strange to be standing at the other side of the hole and catch a bowling ball coming up at you....
Unless your tube has really good air conditioning, you won't have to worry. The 5000-6000degree C temperatures at the core will vaporize your bowling ball well before it gets out the other side.
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Hedley, that's a pretty shiny beacon you've got inside that Maule - I guess you should wear a hat when its sunny so your formation pals don't get blinded? You must be nearing my vintage...
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C-HRIS wrote:gravity would attract it to the center of the earth (i.e hell). So the ball will end up in hell.
Um,

How do you get "hell" being the center of the Earth? Never mind. Sounds like there's a few flight schools out there that would qualify though...

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C-HRIS wrote:gravity would attract it to the center of the earth (i.e hell). So the ball will end up in hell.
As cloudcounter would say; it depends whether or not the bowling ball has accepted Jesus Christ as it's personal saviour. If it hasn't it will stop in the middle, hell; if it has it will come out the other side and ascend into the clouds, eventually finding it's way to heaven. :roll:
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As cloudcounter would say; it depends whether or not the bowling ball has accepted Jesus Christ as it's personal saviour. If it hasn't it will stop in the middle, hell; if it has it will come out the other side and ascend into the clouds, eventually finding it's way to heaven.
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