Hiring Requirements, FO positions

tailwind · Post by **tailwind** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:04 pm

I am interested to know what companies out there hire pilots with over 750 hrs TT and MIFR rating with minimum multi time to FO positions?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:10 pm

Jazz.

tailwind · Post by **tailwind** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:23 pm

apparently only seneca grads however...

seriously though, real info would be wonderful, thanks

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:29 pm

I see you bumped up your total time from 500TT to "over" 750TT today. What's up with that?

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:33 pm

Sorry to pick on you man. Ummm with that time I'd go work for NAC. They have a base in Thunder Bay, ON and a few satellite bases around the north. You might have to be a ticket agent for a few months but you should be able to go direct right seat with that time and if things keep going as they are you'll be a captain before you know it. Good luck.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:48 pm

You are a good candidate for all of the companies that use FOs - just apply. Don't mess about or you'll miss the boat.

Somebody famous said that you may have to send out 100 contacts to get your job - Bill Gates? President Kennedy? Louis XIV?

tailwind · Post by **tailwind** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:20 am

Thanks guys,
Rudy... the reason for the change was to find more reasonable information... Started with 500 to see if there were any out there for that range, but upped it to 750 to accomodate myself more.
Any other places you can think of would be awesome.

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:01 pm

Any of the operators in northern Ontario really. They are all losing guys. Some you'll have to work the ramp, some you may not.

aviator20 · Post by **aviator20** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:11 pm

Heres a question, well looking more for advise....

I have 600TT and just starting to build Multi PIC time instructing out west.....should I stick around instructing while getting Multi PIC time for a few months and then apply or if I land an f/o job should I just bail now?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:19 pm

If you have 600-750 hours, and a MIFR, and some operator offers you a ramp job, tell him to stuff his head up his ass and fight for air. Get in your car and go find a flying job. A flying job is IN an airplane, not loading one!!
You're NOT going to build enough multi time quick enough to make a dif! Read the ads kids.....go where the jobs are, and get one.
Do your homework. If you have to show up with a case of OV, and a hooker, DO IT!
Working a ramp for a year, will cost you a flying job today! Really.

aviator20 · Post by **aviator20** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:35 pm

Thats pretty damn well said and I agree.....working the ramp these days can cost a year of flying hours but im just wondering if I stuck around to get multi time would really even make a difference this day in age in the industry...im sure it wont hurt

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:44 pm

The short answer is....are you getting 50-60 multi hours a month? If not, look elsewhere. IMHO only.

aviator20 · Post by **aviator20** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:40 am

yeah the multi time will be pretty heavy indeed......so if im getting that kinda time strick around for a while?

ZARCON · Post by **ZARCON** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:30 am

Aviator 20 , if you are getting some good multi-time instructing I would stay at it till at least 500 hours and then look elsewhere. After that I would try an operation like Georgian, Voyager, some where that you can get some multi-turbine time and possibly get an upgrade in decent time. You might even look appealing for a corporate jet job. I would also make sure to get the requirements for the ATPL before I left, the night time c/c and the ifr time if needed.

Biggles · Post by **Biggles** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:36 am

although instructing pays less than a paperboy gets, the multi pic is probably the best thing for you. Companies are looking for people they can upgrade to capt quickly. If you have 500 mpic that will satisfy most insurance requirements for the position.

But, looking at the other side of the coin, places like pasco and cma don't require very much at all and they are pretty good companies to work for. Just keep in mind the kind of renumeration you'll get as an FO with low multi. Low to mid 20's...God that's sick. Don't know how they live with themselves... but that's a rant for another day

good luck.

Shtinky · Post by **Shtinky** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:56 am

Doc wrote:If you have 600-750 hours, and a MIFR, and some operator offers you a ramp job, tell him to stuff his head up his ass and fight for air... A flying job is IN an airplane, not loading one!! ... Working a ramp for a year, will cost you a flying job today! Really.

Different people have different opinions. I understand what you are saying Doc but I feel that we must not limit ourselves as to what we can do and not become nearsighted when we think about our flying career. Ask yourself this "If I take this ramp job where will I be in 1 year? Or 3 years?" Sometimes one needs to take a step sideways in order to advance quickly later on. It's true that working the ramp for a year will cost you a flying job today but could potentially get you flying bigger, better and faster aircraft sooner than sticking around in an instructing position. Of course, one must consider the reputation of the company and recent hiring trend.

Jim N · Post by **Jim N** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:04 pm

ZARCON wrote:Aviator 20 , if you are getting some good multi-time instructing I would stay at it till at least 500 hours and then look elsewhere. After that I would try an operation like Georgian, Voyager, some where that you can get some multi-turbine time and possibly get an upgrade in decent time. You might even look appealing for a corporate jet job. I would also make sure to get the requirements for the ATPL before I left, the night time c/c and the ifr time if needed.

+1 on that. It is excellent advice.

Total time gets the job but PIC will get you the upgrade. Without 500 MPIC it is damn hard to meet the insurance minimums that most operators have.

wha happen · Post by **wha happen** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:46 pm

250 hours TT overnight... funny thing about cooking your logbook!!!

sdp · Post by **sdp** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:23 am

mmmmm,OV eh doc!!! you must be from my neck of the woods?

Buzz Lightyear · Post by **Buzz Lightyear** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:25 am

Since we're talking about making a choice here's another one for you. I wanna hear what the voice of wisdom has to say.

1000 TT (all made through instruction), 25 hours Multi:

- Go for a multi IFR instruction job

- FO on PC12 in Northern Ontario with possible upgrade to captain in 6 to 7 months

My head tells me to go for Multi PIC instruction but my heart wants to get into real IFR flying, SOP and so on.

I know the lack of multi time will come back to me like a boomerang when time comes to move on a multi turbine. I might get stuck in the right seat a little while but then again maybe not. And at the same time I feel like at a 1000h it's time to move on.

Any thoughts or comments appreciated.

Cheers

B.

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:22 pm

Buzz,
What if you just work for a company that has PC-12s and multi-engine aircraft? As long as you're not doing medevacs I don't think a lack of multi-time will keep you off their twins when your time comes.

Bae146 · Post by **Bae146** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:18 pm

One glass of milk ...c est bien...
Two... c est mieux...

Hiring Requirements, FO positions

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