Air Canada ripped for ending direct service to India
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I can't believe the press that the "indo Canadians" manage to get for all their whining. Check out the papers out here and you'll know what I mean. I'm sure it will be called Racism before long. Maybe the whiners should have used the service enough to make it more profitable than the Chinese routes. A business is there to make a profit.
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, since they know how many people are wanting to get back and forth...-
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I read an artical at cbc.ca http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/0 ... india.html that said that the planes where going to be used on a China route. Perhaps they simply can make more money going to China than India... gee we can go to India and loose money or go to China and turn a tidy profit, tough choice there...
Probably because half of your E. Indian friends are from here in the first place, and have the same narrow minded view that you do.beechy wrote:Who'd want to go to India?
Hot dirty ....... half the Indian people i know wouldn't go back.
I've never been to India, but I'd take a hot day anytime to our weather, and 'dirty' is relative. So to answer your question about who'd want to go to India? Well probably someone who is interested in living life.... seeing different people, culture, a mix of religions, and one of the places on this earth that was a major contributor to modern civilization.
Our N. American lifestyle, isn't so great when you see it in a different perspective. Sure we all have money and toys, but look how grumpy everyone is. Do some travelling.
They're not dropping it because it doesn't make money. Deploying the airplane to China makes better money.boeingboy wrote:I don't know what to think about this one.
If they are not making money - fine. But I cannot believe that there is no money to be made going to india. Even 1 flight a week? Or if it's seasonal - do it seasonal.
To just drop it all together is somewhat questionable.
I remember, long ago, a senior airline guy telling an asembly that only two things remain constant in the airline industry: change and the net fares to India. I'm not sure where the market fares are to from India now. The YYZ market will not suffer greatly with this loss. It will be inconvenient to make connections in Europe, but many travelers to Euroep are doing that right now, so what's the big deal? I think it's a matter of time before Jet Airways starts flying to Canada, offering either a one stop or non stop service.
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I think 'skyismine' may have been suggesting it as an alternative method and not as a comparison as to why AC should continue operating it.bmc wrote:So what. AC can make better money going to China. Does Air India have the same operating cost as Air Canada?skyismine wrote:What about Air India's 777's to India from YYZ???They are their...
As already stated its probably as simple as a China route probably yields better than the Delhi route. With the continuous arrivals of new aircraft over the next 7 yrs (777's/787's) I wouldn't be surprised to see that route come back but right now, with the fleet we have, you do whatever maximizes your revenue.
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Hmm the plot thickens seams Alitalia and American are doing the same.
Hmm the plot thickens seams Alitalia and American are doing the same.
Although I am not an expert on AC's market share and profit margain on its runs to India, I must say this sounds like a silly move. Air India does run 777's via the UK (Birmingham and Manchester) to Toronto, but they only offer a certain level of service. Many Indians will not fly on Air India. BA operates an average of 7 flights a day to 5 destinations in India and these flights are bursting full. Many of the pax are connectors from the US and Cananda. With India currently being the fastest growing economy in the world, the business traffic is rising quickly.
As a few have said AC does not have the airframes to keep it up. Can the 763ER do DEL-TO direct? I am guessing it tech stops in Europe? Why not use the 340? I am guessing the lack of premium seats probably did not help. The the introduction of the 777 may change this but by that point, many customers may have taken their loyalty somewhere else. More business for the rest of us. Questionable move to say the least.
As a few have said AC does not have the airframes to keep it up. Can the 763ER do DEL-TO direct? I am guessing it tech stops in Europe? Why not use the 340? I am guessing the lack of premium seats probably did not help. The the introduction of the 777 may change this but by that point, many customers may have taken their loyalty somewhere else. More business for the rest of us. Questionable move to say the least.
Again, to put equipment onto India, you're pulling it from somewhere else. If the opportunity cost justified it, they'd do it. UK to India is a huge market. Canada to India is a big market. I'm no longer close to Canada- Induia market fares, but I'm sure that the numbers just don't add up if they can make more money elsewhere.
AC will continue to participate in the Indian market by pumping it over Europe, but controlling it through inventory management. The Indian market is a dependable one in the low season because it's a "must go" market. If someone dies in India, the family returns home. If someone is getting married, families go home. It's not as seasonal was transcon or Canada-Europe. It's there year round. But the net fares to India have historically been low. Sure, they can offer a bit of a premium by offering same plane service, but I'm sure they have looked very long and hard at this decision and came to the conclusion they can make more money sending the airlplane elsewhere.
Now, I'm not sure what provisions are in the Canada-India Air Services Agreement as to if AC is the only designated Canadian operator for the route, or if there is multiple designation. Their departure from the route may make it open for other Canadian operators to apply to operate it on a sched basis.
AC will continue to participate in the Indian market by pumping it over Europe, but controlling it through inventory management. The Indian market is a dependable one in the low season because it's a "must go" market. If someone dies in India, the family returns home. If someone is getting married, families go home. It's not as seasonal was transcon or Canada-Europe. It's there year round. But the net fares to India have historically been low. Sure, they can offer a bit of a premium by offering same plane service, but I'm sure they have looked very long and hard at this decision and came to the conclusion they can make more money sending the airlplane elsewhere.
Now, I'm not sure what provisions are in the Canada-India Air Services Agreement as to if AC is the only designated Canadian operator for the route, or if there is multiple designation. Their departure from the route may make it open for other Canadian operators to apply to operate it on a sched basis.
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