AC interview for a Jazz pilot

jim_from_texas · Post by **jim_from_texas** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:36 pm

I was just wondering if a pilot from Jazz gets interviewed with AC and passes, does he get the AC seniority number as of the interview date or do they have to wait for the AC class date a year or two down the road?

TFE731 · Post by **TFE731** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:27 pm

Class date. All jazz hires in the class get the first numbers in order of their jazz seniority.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:21 am

I think you take 2 years pay seniority with you and don't have to wait for passes. Plus you hold your jazz seat for a year or two in case there are lay off at main line. But that's just what I heard.

pilotbzh · Post by **pilotbzh** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:32 am

Jazzer can carry up to 4 years of paid (only after PG) seniority and PG start at the assigned class (by AC) they will be Frozen at Jazz if they have less than 24 month on they PPC with seniority protected to they assigned Class. So no new hire since aug 2005 will be at mainline until sept-oct 2007

When you leave Jazz you lose your seat, no protection, one way out.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:28 pm

Jim,

There is a problem with your question. You state if a Jazzer "passes". Thats very few and far between. Most guys get PFO'd regardless of their education/experience.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:56 pm

pilotbzh wrote:Jazzer can carry up to 4 years of paid (only after PG) seniority

Not quite sure what you mean by "only after PG" If you have been at Jazz for 4 yrs or more you start at 4th yr flat pay at AC. About the same as 6th yr Jazz pay.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:59 am

Bede wrote:Jim,

There is a problem with your question. You state if a Jazzer "passes". Thats very few and far between. Most guys get PFO'd regardless of their education/experience.

You know, I was discussing this with some friends the other night, and I'd like to see some cold hard data on this cuz it sounds like BS.

I don't think Jazz guys are being PFOd at any higher percentage than the guys off the street. I think it just gets more attention.

pilotbzh · Post by **pilotbzh** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:40 am

I would love that to be truth, but I'm told that Jazz pilot going to mainline still have to do the 2 years on Position group so after you could jump to years 6 with the max 4 years crarring from Jazz....anybody could confirm, I'm currently frozen @Jazz....

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:13 am

You start at 4th yr flat pay. (as long as you have at least 4 yrs in at jazz) You still have to do 2 yrs on flat pay but they will be 4th and 5th yr pay. I have several friends that got hired from Jazz and thats what they are being paid. About the same as 6th yr Jazz pay.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:32 am

Disco Stu wrote:
Bede wrote:Jim,

There is a problem with your question. You state if a Jazzer "passes". Thats very few and far between. Most guys get PFO'd regardless of their education/experience.
You know, I was discussing this with some friends the other night, and I'd like to see some cold hard data on this cuz it sounds like BS.

I don't think Jazz guys are being PFOd at any higher percentage than the guys off the street. I think it just gets more attention.

When I was doing my interview, two guys were talking in the Flt Ops office. (I don't know who they were, but they were in the flt ops office). One guys said "We hired 2 of the last 20 Jazz guys. That's not the way we used to do it, but that's the way we're doing it now." That's about the same percentage as I can see from the people I know who got on vs. the PFO'd ones.

The guys I know from GCN told me it's about 50% from there.

I wish it wasn't true either. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason either: university/high school, bilingual, monolingual, etc. No one can figure it out.

phatbastard · Post by **phatbastard** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:45 am

The story is now doing the rounds about a Jazz guy who got his PFO before his interview. And you say there is no corruption?

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:39 pm

Disco, I can assure you that the percentage is alot worse for Jazz guys then OTS - around 90% failure right now. There are entire courses that have been PFO'd. Sound fair to you?
Also the frozen seniority # is not issued until your given a course date. That happens many months after you've found out your in. So your stuck at Jazz for another year while being frozen without a AC #, loseing numbers every course.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:01 pm

As I was just informed that the 10% is infact incorrect, could anyone with accurate #'s please post them?! I would love to see that ratio go back to anywhere around 50%, that would seem fair.

spaz · Post by **spaz** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:32 pm

For what it's worth, the percentage of successful applicants from the Nov 14th 2005 course is at least 19%. It could get higher, this is what I know for sure. Small test group though.

pilotbzh · Post by **pilotbzh** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:46 pm

my GS was probably the exception 50% hired@ mainline (small group to) I was accepted early Oct, looks like I'm attached to a MARCH mainline GS, long wait but I'm on the train. Looking back, It was a big mistake to go to Jazz, cost me about 100# in seniority.... but I'm still waiting for confirmation...

I think Jazz pilot should be assigned the next available ground school after they have been accepted even if they are frozen, regardless of Jazz seniority. Jazz seniority should only dictate the order of the scheduled interview. I shouldn't be penalized by a delay in building seniority because I'm already working for the ACE group....

Now Fire at will....

pauliewalnuts · Post by **pauliewalnuts** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:55 pm

bzh,

How do you know you would have for sure received a phone call for an interview at AC if you didn't go to Jazz? Perhaps you might still be waiting.

pilotbzh · Post by **pilotbzh** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:03 pm

If I didn't, I would have gone to sky or Transat ,plenty of contacts there...
Jazz is not a company to retire at, they work more than ever for less than ever....

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:41 pm

Jazz guys start at around 55K while off the street starts at 37K.

Guaranteed interview. Higher pay. Instant travel privileges. Protected seniority until unfrozen. Sense of entitlement to a job at mainline...priceless.

Not that bad a deal if you ask me!

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:52 pm

Dockjock wrote:Jazz guys start at around 55K

HMMM... not sure about this one, I was under the impression you still have the 2 yr flat pay, regardless.

F-16 · Post by **F-16** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:06 am

Still two years of flat pay, BUT,

Higher flat pay than OTS depending on Years of Service with Jazz....