Airline Pilot Haters

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:08 pm

" Hey Cat Driver,

Don't get me wrong, it was challenging but not scary and by crazy control inputs I meant that you had to really work them to keep the aircraft going where it should be. Skill was certainly required and that was my point with regards to Doc's comment. I'm not saying that I'm a super pilot or anything close to it, just another airline pilot doing his/her job which requires varying levels of skill depending on the day. There are days when the going is real easy and there are others when you have to call upon all that you have learned so far. I'm sure you'll agree that every kind of flying from bush to airline requires its own set of skills and has unique challenges. Skill is skill and we aquire it through training and practice. It is quite ignorant to say that one group dosen't require it.
Happy flying! "

QBalls, no big deal, these discussions go all over the board here.

You never know who you are actually talking to or what exactly the other poster meant.

I think Doc like me is more into just getting things stirred up just to keep boredom out of this forum.

By the way I learned to fly at the Island before Rwy 26 was there, and the buildings down town were a lot smaller, Jeeses that was a long tme ago now that I look back.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:11 pm

Johnnyrocks....I think that Canso was flown by Cousteau's son. Pretty sure he killed himself in it though?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:14 pm

" Maybe it was a different Cat Driver...were you not flying the Canso around the world on some Jaques Costeau show? If i'm wrong, I appologize in advance... "

Nope that was not me.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:15 pm

And, it's a totally different "skill" required to take a ski Dak into a dark lake with a skidoo for lights, than a 777 across the pond. I would really hope you know that's what I met. While the 777 could have some "moments" to be sure, not as many as the Dak!
BTW, nobody "hates" airline pilots!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:15 pm

Cat, why is my font bigger than yours?

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:17 pm

Sorry Cat...seems I was thinking of another bitter old guy...my bad

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:19 pm

Okay, I'll bite. Somebody should. Why refer to us as bitter, and old? Be more than happy to go flying with you. Your airplane, or mine. Always up for a learning experience.
Better still, lets rent a small taildragger...ya game?

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:25 pm

Yes Doc, you have been there and done that...no one else here has flown any taildraggers, B18s, DC3s or any of that stuff...I'm just tired of listening to you , Cat and Hedley tell everyone how shitty and inexperienced they are and how great you guys are...just my rant for tonight while i sit in the hotel...

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:28 pm

Must be a hotel you rent by the hour, and the escort hasn't shown up yet? But, you sound a lot more bitter than we ever could. Be happy to check you out in one....then you could tell everyone how great you are as well. That's what you really want, now, isn't it?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:30 pm

You see, it's just a simple fact! Cat, me and Hedley...we ARE just great. What more can I say....WE'RE the best!!! Get real. Call that 1-900 number, and put that right wrist to some good use!

QBalls · Post by **QBalls** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:31 pm

Doc wrote:Qballs.....what type of "auto throttle, auto land" type of "airliner" were you operating in YTZ?? BTW, I used to work out of YTZ for several years. It can get gusty, but no "airliner" goes there......I don't think a Q400 has auto land?

Doc, not here to argue. The 400 does not have auto land or auto throttles, but it is state of the art, highly automated, and full of "computer screens". It does require quite a bit of skill to fly it well. Ask anyone that flys one and they'll tell you its a fantastic, but humbling airplane.

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:32 pm

That's kinda funny I guess...

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:33 pm

I crawled around in one in Churchill...love to get my paws on one. They really are a neat airplane. If I could afford the move, I'd be all over Porter. That's just between us girls, you understand?

QBalls · Post by **QBalls** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:40 pm

Well Doc hope you get the chance to fly one. I'm sure you'll just love it and speaking of Porter, just want to say that it's an awesome and fun place to work. After having been in aviation for quite sometime and getting used to being treated like shit it a refreshing and welcome change to be treated so well at Porter.

Phileas Fogg · Post by **Phileas Fogg** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:54 pm

Sounds good! Where do I sign up?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:55 pm

Doc, there comes a time in our careers when we have to wonder how to interact with the younger guys in aviation, seems that regardless of what we say we are just " old and bitter ".

I personally do not understand how total strangers can assume that I am bitter, yeh I'm old but that is not a crimminal offense as far as I know.

I am quite satisfied with my career, I did most everything any pilot could ever dream of doing and made the decision to retire because I wanted to live at home and enjoy my toys before it is to late.

When I quit I was qualified and licensed to fly in the European airshow circuit and still healthy enough to fly unlimited aerobatics had I wanted to continue flying them.

I am still qualified and insurable to fly for the movie industry and if asked will.

For the last ten years of my career I worked for some of the richest people in the world and lived like a king because of who I worked for.

Anyhow after fifty four accident free years and having flown most everything that flys I just can't imagine why I would feel bitter.....

...strange world we live in Doc.

Cat

....... · Post by **.......** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:58 pm

Doc wrote:And, it's a totally different "skill" required to take a ski Dak into a dark lake with a skidoo for lights, than a 777 across the pond. I would really hope you know that's what I met. While the 777 could have some "moments" to be sure, not as many as the Dak!
BTW, nobody "hates" airline pilots!

Just for the sake of putting a little weight on the other side of the balance Doc...

The airliner I have the pleasure of flying with the precious help of the f/o's I work with does have autothrottle and autoland and all that fun stuff you talk about, but unfortunately all that stuff is of no help to us on the second to last leg of a six day/double pond crossing pairing, landing in either Glasgow or Dublin in the wee hours of the morning, with +RASH, and 40 kts crosswind 'cos it's over the system's limitations anyway... so back to good ol' handflying basics !

QBalls · Post by **QBalls** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:58 pm

Phileas Fogg wrote:Sounds good! Where do I sign up?

pilotjobs@flyporter.com

QBalls · Post by **QBalls** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:08 pm

Time for some shut eye so good night folks!

Kelowna Pilot · Post by **Kelowna Pilot** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:35 am

There are people out there who don't like criticism, or who feel that public criticism is a threat to their (usually financial) interests.

The quickest way to shut people up or discredit them is to accuse them of being bitter.

Remember, people with "positive attitudes" never complain, they blindly accept what is presented to them and tow the line like sheep, never questioning anything, particularly authority, whether it be TC or the airline that wants them to work for wages on par with Subway fast-food workers.

I say good-on Cat and Doc for refusing to drink from the Kool-aid.

electraguy · Post by **electraguy** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:37 am

You Hoo, dutch haters?? or in this case airline pilot haters,

Can I paint his you hoo gold?? Its my thing you know.

Smoke and a pancake??

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:30 am

Cat Driver wrote:Doc, there comes a time in our careers when we have to wonder how to interact with the younger guys in aviation, seems that regardless of what we say we are just " old and bitter ".

Cat

I think society in general looks poorly on the aging members of society. Even is business, you become less relevant in your twilight years.

The fellow that first taught me to fly a jet aircraft (No Flightsafety back then) was in his seventies. His list of types flown would make a museum curator envious. He had flown everything from Tri-Motors to Spitfires and every DC aircraft from 2 to 10. I was always amazed that my cohorts looked upon him as a bumbling old man. Yes, his reactions were a little slower but his wisdom from experience prevented the use of lightning fast reactions. His stories were old but they were the stories from which all our stories were based. His "war stories" really were...

There is a lot to learn from previous generations if we are smart enough to accept that..

Enough of that.. don't write off the old guys kids, if you are lucky and as good as you think you are, you might even get to be one.

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:02 am

Cat...I just get the impression that you are very disgruntled with Canadian aviation by reading your numerous posts...you are forever complaining about Transport, and how useless the new generation of pilots are, etc, etc....You come across with the attitude that everything you did in your career could never be matched by the spoiled rich kids that fly airplanes today...we could never be as good as your generation was because we have computers, and autoland, and this and that...

If the bitter-old-guy handle fits, you have no choice but to wear it...in my eyes anyway....but what do I know, right?

richardhead · Post by **richardhead** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:13 am

To answer the initial question that opened this thread. If you want to know why some hate airline pilots.....just read all the posts on this thread. Nuff said.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:08 am

"Cat...I just get the impression that you are very disgruntled with Canadian aviation by reading your numerous posts...you are forever complaining about Transport, "

That is correct, I am very disgruntled with Canadian aviation under the present top management in TC. Several years of legal issues and dealing one on one with their top management convinced me that they are nothing short of unacountable goons who use their office for their own personal agendas.

The average pilot in this industry would never get to actuallly meet these poeple as there would be no way ever deal directly with them. Suffice to say there are a few at the top who would not be accepted by the Mafia because they are to dishonest and untrustworthy.

and how useless the new generation of pilots are, etc, etc....You come across with the attitude that everything you did in your career could never be matched by the spoiled rich kids that fly airplanes today...we could never be as good as your generation was because we have computers, and autoland, and this and that...

That is your preception I guess, you are free to think what ever you wish, as to computers and autoland I love e'm, anything that makes the workload less and adds to safety is great in my opinion.

If the bitter-old-guy handle fits, you have no choice but to wear it...in my eyes anyway....but what do I know, right?

Exactly, the bitter part is absoutely wrong, old I may be but if you can't figure out how I got to be old you have missed something in your thinking process.

I, agree that you really do not know me, or you would not accuse me of being bitter.....

There is a great difference between having distain for people who abuse their power and being bitter, maybe some day you will understand the difference.