According to this guy, the cold war is alive and well, in fact it is grossly regenerated, thanks to dubya and a few other players, i be thinkin that the nasty ole forecast of a 2036 meteorite crash may be the least of dubyas worries.
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/engda ... 21907.html
Why does the world hate americans?
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gazu ------I'm afraid that you misunderstood me sir. I was only stating that you can pick any time-frame in you care to in history from now back to whenever and there has always been 2-3 powerful nations, tribes, etc. who other nations consider the most powerful. They may do all good, all bad or a mixture of both. The Americans may be bad or good at whatever, but as far as powerful nations are concerned, I'll take them as next-door neighbours compared to my other choices of the present "Big Three", so to speak. It would appear that we both misunderstood the point being presented by the other somewhat on this one. I didn' t realize that you were confining your statements to one particular time-frame. If you are doing that, it is what we don't know about what is going-on that is the real fright and not so much what we know and what is reported on.
Corporate Joe -------Your list of involments by the US over the years is one particular viewpoint and you'd get many disagreements in the halls of academia even here in Canada on many of them. In some cases their involvement was started by other events that also involved other nations. Vietnam as an example is considered an American war from stem to stern. That is patently false and makes no mention of the ROK or Australia for example. It also makes no mention of the espionage that Canada was involved in on behalf of the USAF. This only ceased when the Canadian Embassy under Chester A. Ronning, was closed down by Canada. The vast majority of napalm used in Vietnam was manufactured by DOW Chemical in Montreal and fully known about by the Feds. CIL also made the vast majority of the small arms ammo for a constant 4 years. On any given year from '66 - '71 the Canadian government earned an average of $50M USD off of that war. The next time you view a newsreel from that era of the Vietnam War, also realize that any American GI's that you see will be wearing Canadian-made (under contract) cammoflage gear. While all of the above was going on, the Canadian government banned US military recruiting agencies from operating in Canada. In otherwards, which shell is the pea under? Stark contrast to the Americans allowing Canadian military recruiting agencies from existing in the USA before 1941 and before America's involvement in WW2
We have a bad habit here in Canada of constantly pointing our fingers at the Americans and it's been going on since Confederation. We take the "high ground" and state that we've never done this or we've never done that like the Americans. It's like a "national pass-time" and something we enjoy doing constantly. In a lot of cases we consider that we don't compare to them and give a myraid of reasons why that is. We do that because the vast majority of Canadians know very little of their history and what all their country has been involved in since Confederation. That also leads to a subtle, but colossal national inferiority complex which is based on ignorance. The main difference between us and the Americans is that they're "in your face" about their feelings and reactions. We don't operate like that and prefer working "behind the scenes". The records that have been released by the Feds show that we have nothing to learn from the Americans about "skullduggery" or weilding power and they've learned way more off of us than we have learned from them. In otherwards, we can criticize them, but we must tread carefully because we have too many windows in our house and throwing rocks to often can become uncomfotable.
Corporate Joe -------Your list of involments by the US over the years is one particular viewpoint and you'd get many disagreements in the halls of academia even here in Canada on many of them. In some cases their involvement was started by other events that also involved other nations. Vietnam as an example is considered an American war from stem to stern. That is patently false and makes no mention of the ROK or Australia for example. It also makes no mention of the espionage that Canada was involved in on behalf of the USAF. This only ceased when the Canadian Embassy under Chester A. Ronning, was closed down by Canada. The vast majority of napalm used in Vietnam was manufactured by DOW Chemical in Montreal and fully known about by the Feds. CIL also made the vast majority of the small arms ammo for a constant 4 years. On any given year from '66 - '71 the Canadian government earned an average of $50M USD off of that war. The next time you view a newsreel from that era of the Vietnam War, also realize that any American GI's that you see will be wearing Canadian-made (under contract) cammoflage gear. While all of the above was going on, the Canadian government banned US military recruiting agencies from operating in Canada. In otherwards, which shell is the pea under? Stark contrast to the Americans allowing Canadian military recruiting agencies from existing in the USA before 1941 and before America's involvement in WW2
We have a bad habit here in Canada of constantly pointing our fingers at the Americans and it's been going on since Confederation. We take the "high ground" and state that we've never done this or we've never done that like the Americans. It's like a "national pass-time" and something we enjoy doing constantly. In a lot of cases we consider that we don't compare to them and give a myraid of reasons why that is. We do that because the vast majority of Canadians know very little of their history and what all their country has been involved in since Confederation. That also leads to a subtle, but colossal national inferiority complex which is based on ignorance. The main difference between us and the Americans is that they're "in your face" about their feelings and reactions. We don't operate like that and prefer working "behind the scenes". The records that have been released by the Feds show that we have nothing to learn from the Americans about "skullduggery" or weilding power and they've learned way more off of us than we have learned from them. In otherwards, we can criticize them, but we must tread carefully because we have too many windows in our house and throwing rocks to often can become uncomfotable.
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It's funny but I agree with you on most of what you said. Also, the list of interventions is simplified like you said, and even though all of the interventions can be discussed in the halls of academia, to the farmer on the ground seeing soldiers walking on his field, it makes no difference who started what, and what was justified or wasn't. Some of the facts you bring up I'll admit I can not confirm or deny, but the point I think that stands out is when you say that the Americans have a "in your face way" of doing everything.LH wrote:gazu ------I'm afraid that you misunderstood me sir. I was only stating that you can pick any time-frame in you care to in history from now back to whenever and there has always been 2-3 powerful nations, tribes, etc. who other nations consider the most powerful. They may do all good, all bad or a mixture of both. The Americans may be bad or good at whatever, but as far as powerful nations are concerned, I'll take them as next-door neighbours compared to my other choices of the present "Big Three", so to speak. It would appear that we both misunderstood the point being presented by the other somewhat on this one. I didn' t realize that you were confining your statements to one particular time-frame. If you are doing that, it is what we don't know about what is going-on that is the real fright and not so much what we know and what is reported on.
Corporate Joe -------Your list of involments by the US over the years is one particular viewpoint and you'd get many disagreements in the halls of academia even here in Canada on many of them. In some cases their involvement was started by other events that also involved other nations. Vietnam as an example is considered an American war from stem to stern. That is patently false and makes no mention of the ROK or Australia for example. It also makes no mention of the espionage that Canada was involved in on behalf of the USAF. This only ceased when the Canadian Embassy under Chester A. Ronning, was closed down by Canada. The vast majority of napalm used in Vietnam was manufactured by DOW Chemical in Montreal and fully known about by the Feds. CIL also made the vast majority of the small arms ammo for a constant 4 years. On any given year from '66 - '71 the Canadian government earned an average of $50M USD off of that war. The next time you view a newsreel from that era of the Vietnam War, also realize that any American GI's that you see will be wearing Canadian-made (under contract) cammoflage gear. While all of the above was going on, the Canadian government banned US military recruiting agencies from operating in Canada. In otherwards, which shell is the pea under? Stark contrast to the Americans allowing Canadian military recruiting agencies from existing in the USA before 1941 and before America's involvement in WW2
We have a bad habit here in Canada of constantly pointing our fingers at the Americans and it's been going on since Confederation. We take the "high ground" and state that we've never done this or we've never done that like the Americans. It's like a "national pass-time" and something we enjoy doing constantly. In a lot of cases we consider that we don't compare to them and give a myraid of reasons why that is. We do that because the vast majority of Canadians know very little of their history and what all their country has been involved in since Confederation. That also leads to a subtle, but colossal national inferiority complex which is based on ignorance. The main difference between us and the Americans is that they're "in your face" about their feelings and reactions. We don't operate like that and prefer working "behind the scenes". The records that have been released by the Feds show that we have nothing to learn from the Americans about "skullduggery" or weilding power and they've learned way more off of us than we have learned from them. In otherwards, we can criticize them, but we must tread carefully because we have too many windows in our house and throwing rocks to often can become uncomfotable.
So, add "in your face way" of doing things to many involvements all around the world and I think we answer the question of why the world hates Americans.
However, like you said, we as Canadians should be more careful when judging our neighbors of the south, as our hands aren't as clean as we'd like to think.
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Apparently, not everybody hates America afterall.
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070223/phot ... c168df8b0a
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070223/phot ... c168df8b0a
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Edward Vernon Rickenbacker
All Pilots & Prospective Pilots Should Have Read:
http://walter.freefuelforever.com
Walter Gilles
Emirates: B-777
Corporate Joe------- considering that there have been Canadians fighting in every war and conflict (internal/external) that the Americans have had since The Revolutionary War is also a statement about us and them. That does not make mention of one US Army Division being commanded by a Canadian General (on exchange) in northern Iraq at present. It also does not include the numerous Canadians serving with all elements of the US Armed Forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere as we speak. It also does not include the Captain of Air Force One that flies the President of the USA. It also does not speak to how many Medals of Honor have been won by Canadians and that it was a Canadian who won the last one awarded.
Give us a tax base and military as large as the US and we'd be "in your face" also......bet on it.
Give us a tax base and military as large as the US and we'd be "in your face" also......bet on it.
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I am sorry, but I think that is incorrect. Canada has on many occasions refused to participate ideologically and militarily on many of the American "initiatives".LH wrote:Corporate Joe------- considering that there have been Canadians fighting in every war and conflict (internal/external) that the Americans have had since The Revolutionary War
Not necessarily. With a tax base as large and a military as strong, any country in the world (including Canada) would probably have as many interventions around the world as the US did.LH wrote:Give us a tax base and military as large as the US and we'd be "in your face" also......bet on it.
However, what would differ would be the way it's done. You've said it yourself, Canada is more of a "behind the scene" actor, so I think things would have been done differently. Then again this is only speculation and no one can really know. What we do know is how it was done by the US, and the consequences around the world that it carries.
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2) Never waste a hard on
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1) Never pass an opportunity to use a washroom
2) Never waste a hard on
3) Never trust a fart
John Mayer
Corporate Joe........you have misunderstood me. I never said that "Canada" has participated in every war.........". I said "Canadians".......and they have....it's a matter of recorded history.
There were thousands of Canadians who participated in the Vietnam War right from the beginning. Canada at the same time had taken the position that they were not part of that fight and didn't wish to be seen so. All this "posing" while at the same time making tens of millions of dollars off of the same war each and every year it existed. That's what is called "working behind the scenes quietly" and which we are excellent at doing. I submit that if the USA's hands are dirty concerning Vietnam, then ours are just as dirty. So next time you see a photo of a Vietnamese child or adult who has been napalmed just remember that it was also courtesy of DOW Chemical, Montreal, PQ and in partnership with the Canadian government.
This is one of many reasons why I state that Canadians should throw stones at the Americans for sure, BUT they should be very careful about the reasons for doing so.....lest we appear to be hypocrites.
There were thousands of Canadians who participated in the Vietnam War right from the beginning. Canada at the same time had taken the position that they were not part of that fight and didn't wish to be seen so. All this "posing" while at the same time making tens of millions of dollars off of the same war each and every year it existed. That's what is called "working behind the scenes quietly" and which we are excellent at doing. I submit that if the USA's hands are dirty concerning Vietnam, then ours are just as dirty. So next time you see a photo of a Vietnamese child or adult who has been napalmed just remember that it was also courtesy of DOW Chemical, Montreal, PQ and in partnership with the Canadian government.
This is one of many reasons why I state that Canadians should throw stones at the Americans for sure, BUT they should be very careful about the reasons for doing so.....lest we appear to be hypocrites.
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LH wrote:Corporate Joe........you have misunderstood me. I never said that "Canada" has participated in every war.........". I said "Canadians".......and they have....it's a matter of recorded history.
There were thousands of Canadians who participated in the Vietnam War right from the beginning. Canada at the same time had taken the position that they were not part of that fight and didn't wish to be seen so. All this "posing" while at the same time making tens of millions of dollars off of the same war each and every year it existed. That's what is called "working behind the scenes quietly" and which we are excellent at doing. I submit that if the USA's hands are dirty concerning Vietnam, then ours are just as dirty. So next time you see a photo of a Vietnamese child or adult who has been napalmed just remember that it was also courtesy of DOW Chemical, Montreal, PQ and in partnership with the Canadian government.
This is one of many reasons why I state that Canadians should throw stones at the Americans for sure, BUT they should be very careful about the reasons for doing so.....lest we appear to be hypocrites.
I did misunderstand you, good thing you clarified that.
As for being careful when throwing stones I think that's wise advice no matter what the case, and who the stones are being thrown at.
The 3 most important things to remember when you're old:
1) Never pass an opportunity to use a washroom
2) Never waste a hard on
3) Never trust a fart
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1) Never pass an opportunity to use a washroom
2) Never waste a hard on
3) Never trust a fart
John Mayer
The only people in this world who don't view Canada as the 51st state are canadians. Canadian's (myself included) need to get over themeselves our "nation" is just another arm of american economic imperialism.
The difference between ourselves (canadians) and americian's are so slight that the only people who can make the distinction are the afore mentioned groups. We're all North American's the 49th parrallel is virtually meaningless in terms of culture. More so as the years roll on.
In short we are americans! North American's, one as ugly as the other both complicite in playing the same games.
P.
The difference between ourselves (canadians) and americian's are so slight that the only people who can make the distinction are the afore mentioned groups. We're all North American's the 49th parrallel is virtually meaningless in terms of culture. More so as the years roll on.
In short we are americans! North American's, one as ugly as the other both complicite in playing the same games.
P.
The man of tomorrow is forged by his battles today
PARADISE -------I have an American mother and scads of American relatives to go with. I've also served in the American Armed Forces. My home has been Canada for all of my life, although I know the Continental US very well. I can say categorically that your experience has been 100% different than mine and that covers half a century. Depending on where you go geographically in the US, there will be varying differences between Canadians and Americans. We are the same as Americans? Americans aren't even the same all over the US and there are wide differences. Same here in Canada or do you think people in BC think, talk and act the same as people in Baie Verte, NFLD or Western Shore, NS? So don't go comparing how people think in Phoenix, AZ to their countrymen in Bangor, ME or you are in for a real shock.
I'm sorry that you and many other Canadians have been so brain-washed by your own country over all the eons about how we don't compare to the Americans in hardly any way. I could go on at length here, but I'll give but three examples here to state my point. After giving these I usualy get the statement, "Well yeah but......" Fact #1: The Hydro power for the State of Colorado all comes from Hydro dams totally owned by Canadian corporations and HQ'd in Denver. Fact #2: the total dowtown real estate core of Denver, CO is totally owned by Canadian corporations. Thirty-three per cent of downtown New York's real estate is owned by 100% Canadian corporations.
All you ever hear about is how much investment the Arabs or the Germans have in the US, but seldom a murmur about Canadian investment. God, how we enjoy putting ourselves down and all fostered by our own government no less.
I'm sorry that you and many other Canadians have been so brain-washed by your own country over all the eons about how we don't compare to the Americans in hardly any way. I could go on at length here, but I'll give but three examples here to state my point. After giving these I usualy get the statement, "Well yeah but......" Fact #1: The Hydro power for the State of Colorado all comes from Hydro dams totally owned by Canadian corporations and HQ'd in Denver. Fact #2: the total dowtown real estate core of Denver, CO is totally owned by Canadian corporations. Thirty-three per cent of downtown New York's real estate is owned by 100% Canadian corporations.
All you ever hear about is how much investment the Arabs or the Germans have in the US, but seldom a murmur about Canadian investment. God, how we enjoy putting ourselves down and all fostered by our own government no less.
PARADISE -------I have an American mother and scads of American relatives to go with. I've also served in the American Armed Forces. My home has been Canada for all of my life, although i have been all over the Continental US. I can say categorically that your experience has been 100% different than mine. Depending on where you go geographically in the US, there will be varying differences between Canadians and Americans.
I'm sorry that you and many other Canadians have been so brain-washed by your own country over all the eons.. I could go on at length here, but I'll give but three examples here to state my point. After giving these I usualy get the statement, "Well yeah but......" Fact #1: The Hydro power for electricity that the State of Colorado gets all comes from Hydro dams totally owned by Canadian corporations and HQ'd in Denver. Fact #2: the total dowtown real estate core of Denver, CO is owned 100% by Canadian corporations. Thirty-three per cent of downtown New York's real estate is owned by 100% Canadian corporations. We can deal in "economic imperialism" with the Americans one-on-one anyday and if we couldn't they would have crushed us a looooong time ago.
All you ever hear about is how much investment the Arabs or the German have in the US, but seldom a murmur about Canadian investment. God, how we enjoy putting ourselves down and all fostered by our own government no less.
I'm sorry that you and many other Canadians have been so brain-washed by your own country over all the eons.. I could go on at length here, but I'll give but three examples here to state my point. After giving these I usualy get the statement, "Well yeah but......" Fact #1: The Hydro power for electricity that the State of Colorado gets all comes from Hydro dams totally owned by Canadian corporations and HQ'd in Denver. Fact #2: the total dowtown real estate core of Denver, CO is owned 100% by Canadian corporations. Thirty-three per cent of downtown New York's real estate is owned by 100% Canadian corporations. We can deal in "economic imperialism" with the Americans one-on-one anyday and if we couldn't they would have crushed us a looooong time ago.
All you ever hear about is how much investment the Arabs or the German have in the US, but seldom a murmur about Canadian investment. God, how we enjoy putting ourselves down and all fostered by our own government no less.
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athiests
Hey Dash 8, Does this mean my passport to the states will soon be void, hahaha
Stone the athiests??
There is a religious nut who has lost track of what "land of the free" means. Last I checked, freedom of religion, to practice or not to was a right under the constitution. Maybe Cloudcounter is writing letters to the editor down there??
Stone the athiests??
There is a religious nut who has lost track of what "land of the free" means. Last I checked, freedom of religion, to practice or not to was a right under the constitution. Maybe Cloudcounter is writing letters to the editor down there??
Son, Your gonna have to make your mind up about growing up and becoming a pilot.. You can't do both!!
LH, you miss my point entirely. Yes of course you and I know the difference between Joe A in L.A and Joe B in Nfld, but to people outside north america we're all the same, they do not and can not see the difference. Canada the States, the States and Canada it's all one shit show as far as the world scene is concerned.
While your service in the American Armed forces would make you very familiar with brain washing I can assure I am not. Your 3 "facts" only prove my point that Canadian and the U.S are so integrated that really they are one in the same, if not by name. Thanks for doing the hard work for me.
While your service in the American Armed forces would make you very familiar with brain washing I can assure I am not. Your 3 "facts" only prove my point that Canadian and the U.S are so integrated that really they are one in the same, if not by name. Thanks for doing the hard work for me.
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PARADISE
Canadians differ from americans in alot of ways. We are also very similar in many ways but each distinct. I have lived and traveled both. Think maybe we should leave it at that??
Son, Your gonna have to make your mind up about growing up and becoming a pilot.. You can't do both!!
Paradise,
It is quite obvious you do not know, or have ever spoken to someone in the armed forces. Or you get your opinion of us from Hollywood.
I'm not going to spend the next little while trying to explain words like "Chain of Command" and "Leadership" Two things you know nothing about, which has everything to do with your "brainwashing" comment.
Google is a hell of a search engine. Type in "Famous Marines" see how many pop up.
FYI:
There have been roughly 54 Canadians awarded the Medal of Honor.
Medal of Honor trivia:
The latest Medal of Honor recipient is Major Bob Crandell for actions in Vietnam. He was featured in the movie, "We Were Soldiers." He was portrayed by Greg Kinear.
Previous to Maj Crandell, Marine Cpl Jason Dunham was awarded the Medal for heroic actions in Iraq. He fought hand to hand against an insurgent, when the insurgent pulled out a grenade. Cpl Dunham without hesitation jumped on it to protect 3 Marines from the blast. He died 8 days later.
Conversely there have been 5 Americans who have been awarded the Victoria Cross.
It is quite obvious you do not know, or have ever spoken to someone in the armed forces. Or you get your opinion of us from Hollywood.
I'm not going to spend the next little while trying to explain words like "Chain of Command" and "Leadership" Two things you know nothing about, which has everything to do with your "brainwashing" comment.
Google is a hell of a search engine. Type in "Famous Marines" see how many pop up.
FYI:
There have been roughly 54 Canadians awarded the Medal of Honor.
Medal of Honor trivia:
The latest Medal of Honor recipient is Major Bob Crandell for actions in Vietnam. He was featured in the movie, "We Were Soldiers." He was portrayed by Greg Kinear.
Previous to Maj Crandell, Marine Cpl Jason Dunham was awarded the Medal for heroic actions in Iraq. He fought hand to hand against an insurgent, when the insurgent pulled out a grenade. Cpl Dunham without hesitation jumped on it to protect 3 Marines from the blast. He died 8 days later.
Conversely there have been 5 Americans who have been awarded the Victoria Cross.
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
Semper Fidelis
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Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Why does the world hate Americans?
Maybe reading articles like this doesn't help.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... -headlines
Maybe reading articles like this doesn't help.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... -headlines
bmc
PARADISE ------- you stated that my service in the Amrican Armed Forces would make me very familiar with brain-washing. I should let you know since you are unaware, that I did not start that service until I was 21. Before that I was a civilian, with the same American relatives and I even had a brain and could think for myself. The only possible brain-washing that took place until the time of that service took place from realitives in my home province of NS. None of my schooling during that time was courtesy of any arm of the American Armed Forces or another American government agency.
Lastly, here's another difference between Americans and Canadians and you'd fit right in here along with many other Canadians....unfortunately.
During my service I could tell Canadians from Americans in another embarrassing (for me) way.............Canadians would "put-down" their country in public for all to hear. What was the constant "put-down" about?..........anything to do with French Canadians or the language "thing". There are many internal things that Americans have to argue about and that they aren't particularly proud of, the same as the peoples of any other country on earth, BUT one thing they have no use for is "putting-down" their country in public while amongst peoples of other countries.....NOR will they tolerate others puttting their country "down". I've found the same during my travels since then and it's starting to get very, very "old".......and it's still embarrassing.
bmc ------in case you ain't been "tuned-in", there is a whole mess of Americans of all political stripes who totally agree with you. This is not a pleasant time to be a staunch Republican in the good 'ol USA. Bush and the gang have been caught by their own people in too many lies already and their tired of burying bodies for no good reason anymore.
Lastly, here's another difference between Americans and Canadians and you'd fit right in here along with many other Canadians....unfortunately.
During my service I could tell Canadians from Americans in another embarrassing (for me) way.............Canadians would "put-down" their country in public for all to hear. What was the constant "put-down" about?..........anything to do with French Canadians or the language "thing". There are many internal things that Americans have to argue about and that they aren't particularly proud of, the same as the peoples of any other country on earth, BUT one thing they have no use for is "putting-down" their country in public while amongst peoples of other countries.....NOR will they tolerate others puttting their country "down". I've found the same during my travels since then and it's starting to get very, very "old".......and it's still embarrassing.
bmc ------in case you ain't been "tuned-in", there is a whole mess of Americans of all political stripes who totally agree with you. This is not a pleasant time to be a staunch Republican in the good 'ol USA. Bush and the gang have been caught by their own people in too many lies already and their tired of burying bodies for no good reason anymore.
Nark
I do run into quite a few military types, good people. Unfortunetly they either A.) prefer not to talk about their career or experience in the miltary (a preference one has to respect) B.) they do like to share their service expierence (awewsome stories) but when questioned as to the reason behind why are fighting/fought they will reply they don't care, they don't know,and the worst case senario they'll repeat the 6 o'clock news list of reasons why they fight, along with a lot of national, patriotic slogans. (see brain washed) An old soliders quote goes " ours is not to wonder why ours is but to do and die" comes to mind. I totally disagree with this quote where VOLuNTEER enlistment is concerned, If you don't know why your fighting (see killing other people) why the hell are you fighting????
As to your slight about understanding chain of command and leadership I fully understand the importance, I would not be alive today if I did not.
LH- Good to meet a fellow Bluenoser on this board. We'll have to agree to disagree, because yes your right I have "put down canada" in the company of other nationals. I feel no shame for this. It is the best way of getting fresh, unique viewpoints on canadian problems. I condider dissent a postitive and when I have the chance for example to talk to someone from Denmark about wind power and canadas lack there of, it is a good thing. Looking for solutions where ever they may lie, this is critical. "Blind nationalism is the refuge of the weak" Ask questions, find answers and we'll build a better country, maybe one day a nation.
Paradise
I do run into quite a few military types, good people. Unfortunetly they either A.) prefer not to talk about their career or experience in the miltary (a preference one has to respect) B.) they do like to share their service expierence (awewsome stories) but when questioned as to the reason behind why are fighting/fought they will reply they don't care, they don't know,and the worst case senario they'll repeat the 6 o'clock news list of reasons why they fight, along with a lot of national, patriotic slogans. (see brain washed) An old soliders quote goes " ours is not to wonder why ours is but to do and die" comes to mind. I totally disagree with this quote where VOLuNTEER enlistment is concerned, If you don't know why your fighting (see killing other people) why the hell are you fighting????
As to your slight about understanding chain of command and leadership I fully understand the importance, I would not be alive today if I did not.
LH- Good to meet a fellow Bluenoser on this board. We'll have to agree to disagree, because yes your right I have "put down canada" in the company of other nationals. I feel no shame for this. It is the best way of getting fresh, unique viewpoints on canadian problems. I condider dissent a postitive and when I have the chance for example to talk to someone from Denmark about wind power and canadas lack there of, it is a good thing. Looking for solutions where ever they may lie, this is critical. "Blind nationalism is the refuge of the weak" Ask questions, find answers and we'll build a better country, maybe one day a nation.
Paradise
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Re: PARADISE
Overall culturally we are the same on both sides of the border. However someone like myself from small town Saskatchewan has as much in common with someone from Montreal or Toronto as someone from LA and Kansas. I've spent alot of time over the years in NW North Dakota. These people are culturally identical to people in SE Saskatchewan. Same goes for any border town. Our lives and culture are very much apart of eachothers. This sure scares the anti american crowd in this country.electraguy wrote:Canadians differ from americans in alot of ways. We are also very similar in many ways but each distinct. I have lived and traveled both. Think maybe we should leave it at that??
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A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed
A parent's only as good as their dumbest kid. If one wins a Nobel Prize but the other gets robbed by a hooker, you failed
PARADISE-------my syntax is apparently failing me because you didn't understand what I meant before. Please humour me once more.
I have no problem whatsoever with what you said in your last post. What I DO have a problem with is hearing two or more Canadians in a public place in some foreign land putting their own country "down" in public for all to hear. As a Canadian, I want to tell them "to take it some place private". I know we got problems at home just as any other country does, but like personal family affairs, argue/discuss them within the confines of your own homes/country and don't embarrass those other members of your family/countrymen who may be present. My point being that Canadians can be found off-shore doing exactly that and quite frequently, but Americans very seldom, if ever. My own family have their problems like any other, but we refrain from "airing our dirty linen" in public.
Perhaps this little item doesn't bother you and perhaps you are one of those I distaste. When I am outside the borders of my country and in public during a conversation, I speak only good about Canada or I zipper my yap.......because Canada has given me way more good than it has bad and that's my form of respect and thanks.
Oh and a slight "news bulletin" sir........joining a military doesn't mean you'll ever see the enemy and might drive a forklift in a warehouse within some combat theatre for the whole duration. Also, you don't carry arms with the intention of ever killing anyone else. That is a soldier's worst nightmare......that he might actually have to use what he has been trained to do.........and that's why soldier's like peace and with a captial "P".
I have no problem whatsoever with what you said in your last post. What I DO have a problem with is hearing two or more Canadians in a public place in some foreign land putting their own country "down" in public for all to hear. As a Canadian, I want to tell them "to take it some place private". I know we got problems at home just as any other country does, but like personal family affairs, argue/discuss them within the confines of your own homes/country and don't embarrass those other members of your family/countrymen who may be present. My point being that Canadians can be found off-shore doing exactly that and quite frequently, but Americans very seldom, if ever. My own family have their problems like any other, but we refrain from "airing our dirty linen" in public.
Perhaps this little item doesn't bother you and perhaps you are one of those I distaste. When I am outside the borders of my country and in public during a conversation, I speak only good about Canada or I zipper my yap.......because Canada has given me way more good than it has bad and that's my form of respect and thanks.
Oh and a slight "news bulletin" sir........joining a military doesn't mean you'll ever see the enemy and might drive a forklift in a warehouse within some combat theatre for the whole duration. Also, you don't carry arms with the intention of ever killing anyone else. That is a soldier's worst nightmare......that he might actually have to use what he has been trained to do.........and that's why soldier's like peace and with a captial "P".
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20% of ontarians went out to vote, 10% of americans voted for bush...
Politically, we're all a bunch of whining non-participating "patriots."
If nuke goes off in northern america, it'll have thousands of effects on us.
We have rangers in the north protecting us from the polar bears should they decide to attack our sovreignty, we have no one patroling our southern border...
We will be the easiest route for any invader attacking the US, we will be the nation that gets blitzkrieged for an enemy that wants to destroy the US.
Thanks to the fundies, and if you listen to their tapes, ALL WESTERN nations are hated by them. If they have to kill every western nation to kill the isrealis and americans they would not hesitate.
Go watch blood diamond(most recent movie that comes to my mind) where they're talking about rawand(?) where dicaprio mentions fighting with the blacks. Guess what, it'll be us vs Them. or we can side with them and go up against the US, but as soon as they destroy the US, we'll be 3rd rate citizens, if we'll still be lucky to be alive.
Oh, and to make it abundantly clear that we are IDENTICAL to americans, why do all the canadians who venture off to other parts of the world slap on a CANADIAN FLAG?? If we're so distinct, shouldn't every blind palestinian be able to discern between the two of us???
20% of ontarians went out to vote, 10% of americans voted for bush...
Politically, we're all a bunch of whining non-participating "patriots."
If nuke goes off in northern america, it'll have thousands of effects on us.
We have rangers in the north protecting us from the polar bears should they decide to attack our sovreignty, we have no one patroling our southern border...
We will be the easiest route for any invader attacking the US, we will be the nation that gets blitzkrieged for an enemy that wants to destroy the US.
Thanks to the fundies, and if you listen to their tapes, ALL WESTERN nations are hated by them. If they have to kill every western nation to kill the isrealis and americans they would not hesitate.
Go watch blood diamond(most recent movie that comes to my mind) where they're talking about rawand(?) where dicaprio mentions fighting with the blacks. Guess what, it'll be us vs Them. or we can side with them and go up against the US, but as soon as they destroy the US, we'll be 3rd rate citizens, if we'll still be lucky to be alive.
Oh, and to make it abundantly clear that we are IDENTICAL to americans, why do all the canadians who venture off to other parts of the world slap on a CANADIAN FLAG?? If we're so distinct, shouldn't every blind palestinian be able to discern between the two of us???
cyyz -----sorry sir, but you've been the victim of some more Canadian propaganda that used to be, but isn't anymore, sadly. That Canadian flag on the rucksack doesn't carry that weight that it used to one time. Nowadays, if your ass gets in trouble in a foreign country, your own Canadian Consuls will advise you privately to run, not walk, to the nearest American/British Embassy/Consul. This may crush some folks here in Canada, but there are many people worldwide who aren't exactly sure where Canada is located on the globe.
