Comfortable with an employer knowing your Avcanada persona?

Sheila · Post by **Sheila** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:19 pm

Catdriver,

I think they would deny the allegations if you formally wrote a letter.
BUT, you would never get any favors from them. The people who defend them are just their friends.
Also, as you complain, you can probably be certain they want
to find every detail they can about you, how do you feel about that?
But I wonder what would happen if you were working for them,
and complained about management or whatever, what could they do?

The reason you can make statements about corruption and not be held liable, is because it's on the internet, you think?
But remember, everybody, complains about the government, everyday, and to the department itself.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:20 pm

From this day forward, I am not hiring anyone that doesn't post on Avcanada.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:47 pm

Wow, Sheila where are you coming from?

Let me try and answer you.

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Catdriver,

I think they would deny the allegations if you formally wrote a letter.

Write a letter????

I have been through several years of legal wrestling with these people and by their own admission they have confirmed several of their top people did in fact act in an unlawful manner in their dealings with me......

...now who would you suggest I write a formal letter to?

BUT, you would never get any favors from them.

Get any favours from them?

They are a federal regulatory body and their only function is to uphold and enforce the law.

It is unacceptable to even suggest they are able to " do favours " for me or any other canadian citizen. That would be unlawful on their part.

The people who defend them are just their friends.
Also, as you complain, you can probably be certain they want
to find every detail they can about you,

TCCA spent tens of thousands of dollars investigating me and came up with zero findings that could be used against me.

how do you feel about that?

I feel that these people should be removed from their positions for missuse of public money for no other reason than to protect wrongdoers in their system.

But I wonder what would happen if you were working for them,
and complained about management or whatever, what could they do?

You have me lost with that question.

The reason you can make statements about corruption and not be held liable, is because it's on the internet, you think?

No I do not think that is true.

But remember, everybody, complains about the government, everyday, and to the department itself.

Hmmmm, I am wondering just how much you really understand about what makes the world go around, are you out of school yet?

Dash-Ate · Post by **Dash-Ate** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:09 pm

And to those who post pictures of video of yourself on here..

..if it shows you doing anything other than planting it down on the numbers, do not show the reg in the picture!! For you and your employers's sake.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:37 pm

Dash-Ate wrote:And to those who post pictures of video of yourself on here..

..if it shows you doing anything other than planting it down on the numbers, do not show the reg in the picture!! For you and your employers's sake.

I agree.

Sheila · Post by **Sheila** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:27 pm

Nice Catdriver! Of course I'm out of school yet but what I don't understand
is how long has corruption been going on?
I would think some things have changed by now.

Cat Driver wrote:
...now who would you suggest I write a formal letter to?

BUT, you would never get any favors from them.

Get any favours from them?

Hmmmm, I am wondering just how much you really understand about what makes the world go around, are you out of school yet?

I meant you would write a letter to the Regional manager and
if it's a real serious complaint you should send it to the Minister in parliament.

Favors could be when certain actions are not taken against you or when there is an oversight. I notice when the government favors you, it will be where the person/business/community has a historic connection to the government, like with some communities. Then it benefits the government.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:41 pm

Sheila, I'm sorry but I am unable to folllow your line of thought.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:36 am

[quote]I meant you would write a letter to the Regional manager and
if it's a real serious complaint you should send it to the Minister in parliament.

Sheila, just so you know, Cat has been through that already with no satisfaction. In fact the Regional manager seems to be one of the people who has done him wrong..

Pie Lot · Post by **Pie Lot** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:13 am

I have never hidden who I am on here. Sometimes what I post pisses people off. But hey; that's the point of debate, right. And as mentioned before, in the few instances of rum fuelled posting, there is an edit button.

My employer knows who I am, and has shaken his head at me on several occasions, usually with a grin on his face. I am what I post. No bullshit, anyone who knows me will attest to that. And if I am wrong I will apologize or at least explain where I was coming from.

Any company secrets or slag etc, you would have to be an idiot to post that kind of stuff. Known or not initially, it will be found out who posted in the end. I can think of an occasion or two at our company where this has happened and was dealt with.

Cheers

Widow · Post by **Widow** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:36 am

Sheila wrote:Nice Catdriver! Of course I'm out of school yet but what I don't understand
is how long has corruption been going on?
I would think some things have changed by now.

Try talking to someone like Eric Vogel, aka wapati pilot. Just to give you some idea of how long the corruption has been going on. And someone like myself or Mr. Jonathan Huggett, father of deceased pilot Ed Huggett, to know how much things have changed.

You talk about writing letters to the higher authorities that be. Have you done this? Had success?

I don't mean to offend, but you are living in the same world I was before Feb. 28, 2005 - you still trust your government.

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:04 pm

Geez Widow, you are getting really jaded. and I am not saying that like it is a bad thing.

But lets face it. Canadians love the government. The good government legislates just about every aspect of our life. Live a few years in other countries (at least some) and a person will discover that they can live quite well, and safely, without anywhere near the interference from government. An as aside, some of these countries even respect such things as personal privacy.

The problem here is we hold the government, whatever that is, accountable for the actions of everyone. Look at your own situation.
Its the governments fault they did not legislate radios , its the governments fault the company....you get the idea. It is OK for a young pilot to prostitute themselves out by working for almost nothing, parker penning their log book, and then being allowed by a sleaze bucket company to fly an aircraft that is beyond their capabalities. But somehow, it all becomes the governments fault when the accident happens. You see it would be totally inappropriate and insensitive to bring up the fact that some of those young dead pilots were not innocent victims but architects of their own fate.

I dont think I need to repeat it, I am no big fan of much of what TC does or its management, but somewhere along the line we have to start taking some responsibility for our own lives. Less regulations and more responsibility would be just fine, but every time there is an accident, everyone goes after the goverment department and the result is more and more comprehsive, and restrictive regulations.

Having said that, Canada, as you may know, has one of the safest air transportation systems in the world. We are an inspiration to such countries as lower Ambania, Nigeria , and the Congo. And SMS will solve all our problems.

Now just to get back on topic. On one of the other threads TC Guy mentioned a concern that some folks over where he works would like to see him fired for posting on here. Now I have to wonder what type of mentality predominates in that ministry that an employee should have to be concerned about what he says here. And if you think they just will eat their own you are wrong. I am 100% for anonymity, unless you only plan to post politically correct, non-TC negative things.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:25 pm

" And if you think they just will eat their own you are wrong. I am 100% for anonymity, unless you only plane to post politically correct, non-TC negative things."

Anyone who is seen as a danger to the good ol'e boys club that runs TCCA like Mafia Dons ( whoops Mafia Dons are smart and can be held accountable ) will be ground up and destroyed by these thugs in TCCA.

The few of us who can speak out and identify who we are have already went through their grinder and have nothing left for these coc.suckers to take from us....

I am still trying to find out if it is true that Preuss actually threatened one of the top guys in an association.

If that is true the time has come to rise up and overthrow these thugs regardless of what it takes.

C.E.

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:29 pm

Cat,
I noticed you mentioned that before about Pruess.

Can you share with us. I dont think it is inadmissable if you are stating facts.

Widow · Post by **Widow** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:47 pm

trey kule wrote:The problem here is we hold the government, whatever that is, accountable for the actions of everyone. Look at your own situation.
Its the governments fault they did not legislate radios , its the governments fault the company....you get the idea. It is OK for a young pilot to prostitute themselves out by working for almost nothing, parker penning their log book, and then being allowed by a sleaze bucket company to fly an aircraft that is beyond their capabalities. But somehow, it all becomes the governments fault when the accident happens. You see it would be totally inappropriate and insensitive to bring up the fact that some of those young dead pilots were not innocent victims but architects of their own fate.

I don't agree that it all becomes the governments fault. Let's look at Wapiti as an example. A court of law held the TCCA, the operator and the pilot all equally responsible. In my case, no-one official cares to even find out the truth of what precipitated the accident (i.e. engine still lies on ocean floor), nor what actually caused their deaths (not the engine failure). It is not a simple matter of not legislating radios in office for dispatch - but not insisting on a "safe" system of flight following (including an actual flight follower and regular checkins), not actually looking at an airplane to determine if what is written in the maintenance logs is true, etc., etc. And since the Ops Manual says to contact the Op's manager within 20 mins (overdue or missing) or the FSS if he's unavailable, and to contact the FSS & SAR within one hour - and they did not adhere to this., As such, are they not non-compliant and should therefore be admonished? The RCMP will not lay charges unless TCCA interpret the law for them in such a way as to indicate responsiblility. We can't sue them, they are protected by the Worker's Compensation Act (who I also hold responsible - and so have a whole other fight on my hands).

Certainly TC holds some responsibility, but so does the operator and the companies that hired that operator. Perhaps the pilot has some responsiblilty - but he was just the last link in the chain - same as Eric Vogel of Wapiti.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The rules that should have protected my husband (as a passenger - no rules exist to protect the pilot), were already in place. If they do not interpret those rules with common sense and uniformity across the country, and they continue to be lax in inspection/enforcement - then the CARs aren't worth the pulp they are printed on.

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:05 pm

This is what Cat is referring to:

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/natio ... c8&k=25682

Unfortunately there is no proof, only accusation - too bad.

Cheers,
Snoopy

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:11 pm

Thanks Snoopy.

Anybody know if the guy mentioned is in TC's directory or how to get hold of him?

PM me if you like.

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:18 pm

Widow

I dont suppose you want to get into a philosophical discussion about this but if the rules are in place, blaming TC is something like blaming the police for allowing someone to rob a bank.

On the other hand, if TC was aware of problems, and did not take action, then yes there is some liability there.

The rules are there. We should expect people to follow them, and, if not , suffer the consequences. One of the big problems with this whole mess the industry is in with the regulator is the regulator is trying to be proactive, and for the most part, you can not do that. Sad that something has to happen first, but that is the way it has to be unless we are going to allow TC to suspends OC's based on what they think might happen.
(And BTW, I have seen them do this...in a very unfair and prejudical way)

Widow · Post by **Widow** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:33 pm

trey kule wrote:On the other hand, if TC was aware of problems, and did not take action, then yes there is some liability there.

The rules are there. We should expect people to follow them, and, if not , suffer the consequences.

TC is aware of the problems with communication here on the coast. They are aware of the problems with the Type D Flight Following system. They are aware that paper doesn't always match truth and as inspectors it is their obligation to inspect and ensure that paper does match truth. If it does not, they are required to do something about it. MJM's Ops Manual states "all flights will be flight followed". In what way did they follow this flight (or any flight for that matter)? Who is going to make them suffer the consequences of the fatal decision made by TCCA, the operator and the contracting companies' that a base radio for flight following and/or regular check-ins and the contacting of SAR were not important? The families of the passengers on board are suffering the consequences - but this was in no way our responsiblility, nor nor the passengers. Without TCCA enforcement, no one will ever learn how important these existing rules are.

Widow · Post by **Widow** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:37 pm

trey kule wrote:
Anybody know if the guy mentioned is in TC's directory or how to get hold of him?

PM me if you like.

cfpa@cfpa-apfc.ca

Attention: Greg Holbrook
National Chair
Canadian Federal Pilots Association

Dear Mr. Holbrook,

Because of my interest, as outlined in the following letter sent to co-chair of the committee Don Bell, I and many others have been following the presentations made to the Standing Committee on Transportation, Infrastructures and Communities. Many of us took special note of the phone call you received from Mr. Merlin Preuss' . As noted below, many of us feel that there is a good deal of corruption in the higher levels of TCCA and that this corruption needs to be dealt with in order for SMS to work, and to restore trust from the aviation community in the TCCA. Some people have questioned the truth of your allegation, and we wonder if you might be able to provide us with more information.

Kind Regards & Stay safe.

Kirsten Stevens
492 S. McPhedran Rd
Campbell River, BC
V9W 5K5
kis.ca@telus.net
Tel: (250)287-2725
Website: http://www.questforjustice.ca

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

February 8, 2007

To the Standing Committee on Transportation, Infrastructures and Communities

Attention: Mr. Don Bell

Dear Sir(s),

Nearly two years ago, I lost my husband to a terrible air taxi crash off the east coast of Vancouver Island. Barely five miles from their take-off in Campbell River and still in a well-populated area with steady marine traffic - including the Quadra-Cortes bi-hourly ferry, no emergency transmission was received. My husband was not seriously injured in the accident and survived for several hours in his floater coat before drowning. In the course of my search for answers to how this could happen, I have become more and more horrified by what I have learned about the aviation industry in Canada. (ETC)

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:41 pm

" Unfortunately there is no proof, only accusation - too bad. "

When there is a record of someone acting in an unethical and dishonest manner then that would add credibility to someone who alleges this person did something else that is questionable.

I have undeniable proof that Merlin Preuss has in the past covered up for wrongdoing by high level managers in TCCA, hell Merlin even wrote me saying point blank he finds dishonesty by his top managers to be " quite satisfactory and he fully supports them.

The problem is I am a nobody as far as Preuss and his cronies are concerned so it is easy for them to be arrogant, after all look at the power they hold.

But we are dealing with a bureaucrat here who is obviously running things to the satisfaction of Cannon and his group in Ottawa.

In my opinion Canada under this gang is just another bananna republic run by self serving opportunists.

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trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:48 pm

Well widow, it seems you are way ahead of me on this one.
Hope he will (or can) reply. Might ask him to send you a copy of his resume at the same time as I suspect he will be looking for work if he stands up to Pruess.

As to the other part of the discussion, I am going to just leave that be for awhile.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:10 pm

" Might ask him to send you a copy of his resume at the same time as I suspect he will be looking for work if he stands up to Pruess. "

Not if this gets enough public exposure, I'm sure with the worry of an election at any time Harper might try and see who has more power, him or Preuss.

It would be interesting watching that one play out.

skyismine · Post by **skyismine** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:08 pm

Absolutely,I have no fear of letting my employer know that I am on here,infact he knows...Some of my co workers were always telling me to be careful what I did say on here,but I wouldnt say anything stupid so the need to be babysat by others was totally uneeded and kinda of annoying.I am in the position I am in at my place of work because I earned it and showed my ability to obtain such a position up the totem pole.So here I am,and agreed with Hazatude,if you dont go on Avcanada to read the fact and fiction forums then your NOT HIRED!!!LOL

disengage · Post by **disengage** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:27 am

ya its not a big deal...someplace to read up new rumours lol

Daart · Post by **Daart** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:43 am

Unfortunately in this world, some people enjoy screwing others, and will use any bit of information they can find to do it. Some of these people work in private industry and some are bureacrats. For that reason I prefer being anonomous.

Comfortable with an employer knowing your Avcanada persona?

Would you put your Avcanada 'handle' on your resume?