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Then we have the coincidence of the passengers on Flight 93, calling away on cell phones on an aircraft flying low level at over 400kts. This is not possible, but that day it was.
Cell phones don't work in airplanes?

If they don't work, why do we have to turn them off in commercial flights? If they don't work, why not just leave them on?

Why do you give the FIS your cell number on your flight plan?

Isn't it allowed to call someone if your radio's go u/s?

How come it seems like my phone always seem to ring when things are busy in the cockpit?

Sure I'm not going 400 kts, but I know my cell phone work works just fine at 2000 ft AGL at 100 kts. In fact...a few times i have no signal on the ground, but a nice strong signal at alt.

So....maybe I have one of those special cell phones. Maybe the men in black in come and take it away now that they know I have one :)
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Swede I can't agree with you more. The offical story is not even close to the truth. To do any reseach into September 11, any critical independant thinking you'll see the offical explanation is bullshit. That though the tough questions are being asked, no one is answering them.



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Paradise

Diaper checked...still clean :D
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well said Grimey! now, wheres my cheque?
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so what most of you is saying is this,
it`s easier to believe that a guy in a cave on the other side of the globe is the master mind of this whole operation. as well, that 19 guys who have never been confirmed as the "terrorists" carried this out.
i agree, it is much easier to beleive that than the largest millitary and most corrupt government in the world doing this.
the americans have neither the money, manpower or will to do this. but that guy in the cave looks like a good excuse.
i believe it was also binladen that thought about the set up at pearl harbour, definetly a terrorist cell. and jfk, i am pretty sure a saw brown on the grassy knoll. must have been hussein. like i say the americans are completely innocent. they are merely hiding all the evidence in secrecy to protect you from................yeah that is it.
ever see the first reports from PA? coroner tells the news, no signs of life, not a drop of blood, not a sign of anything human. first investigators on the scene "looks like a bunch of plane parts were just dumped in this hole"
how long was it before those reports were replaced with cellular phone calls, and unharmed passports of these men?
i dont care what documentary you watch or not.
what ever happened with twa800? all the information?
was it the missle everybody saw shoot it out of the air. or was saddam on vacation that weekend in NY?
This whole plot of liquid bombs, if it was so life threatening, what more of it? sounded important at the time. have you heard anything?
open your eyes, innocent people died, why?
the same people who falsified an election, disenfranchised blacks for the vote and killed their own president for not going to war with cuba.
youre right, there is no way a setup like this would ever work.
man was i wrong.
thanks for the eye opener.

tony

look out there is someone brown behind you, beard and all, could be a terrorist. oh timothy mcveigh was white, so that must have been a sleeper cell of some sort. right again, racial profiling. there should be a lot of white folks getting questioned these days.
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Tony, I don't think anyone thinks that obl is perpetrating any sort of coverup... so that makes the entire operation fairly simple...

buy plane tickets for all these nutters, and send them out to do their job. training them to fly was superfluous because any idiot can point an airplane at a tower that's 60 miles away... lets remember that the WTC towers weren't exactly hard to see in New York.
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After enough torture anyone will confess to anything.

Torture will guarantee a 95% confession rate. The other 5% die

Someone speaks out about that he did and saw.


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Speaking of torture.. Now we can go to sleep at night in the knowledge that our truth seeking government has finally ferreted the truth out of the prime mover behind all the world's ills. The ultimate patsy has been unveiled :roll:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma ... epatsy.htm
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people are not as stupid as they think

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the original tony wrote: look out there is someone brown behind you, beard and all, could be a terrorist. oh timothy mcveigh was white, so that must have been a sleeper cell of some sort. right again, racial profiling. there should be a lot of white folks getting questioned these days.
Yea, we believe that 19 arabs did it because we're racists.

FYI, swede votes for David Duke.

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=25384
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swede wrote:The basis of law is evidence, and there is precious little to confirm any of the findings of the Kean commission.
You're demanding that things obey basic laws of evidence, yet you accept a conspiracy theory that flies in the face of all available evidence.
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I'm not a fan of David Duke's so much as an opponent of corporate shills - I love it when they get taken down by total underdogs.

There is no evidence to support the Kean commission findings.
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Please cite the findings of the Kean Commission that you believe there is no evidence of. Please cite parts of your conspiracy that you believe there is evidence of.
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Amazing the number retarded nazis on this forum.

The foremost conspiracy nut is Thierry Meyssan, of Reseau
Voltaire...as expected, a muslim funded negationist
who would make Voltaire turn in his grave as Voltaire regarded
Islam as hell-spawn evil.

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The co-writer of Meyssan's book was Henri Bunel, one of the architect
of the Rwanda genocide who went on to spy for the Serbs
and contributed to the shooting down of that stealth plane
by calling the coordinates to the ennemy.
He was court-marshalled, jailed then booted from the french
army.

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He went on to help Meyssan write his pile of bullshit.

Shortly after, he started spying for the mollahs of Iran by
falsely pretending to be in the french secret services.

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When the sand monkeys found out he was lying, they got real
pissed off and issued a fatwa against the filthy creep,
who is now in hiding fearing for his life.
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hotspur666 wrote:Amazing the number retarded nazis on this forum.
See swede? Even the nuts think you're nuts.
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Yes, exactly, the guy who is about to get fastracked off of here for unbridled hate and racism, and your on board with that. But why not, your part of the lemming crowd anyways. You should really change your handle..
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Regarding the Kean commission. How could anyone afford this joke any sort of credibility. They bypassed the collapse of WTC 7 for God's sake? What, did they think the memory of it would just go away if it was not mentioned. Let's not forget that Bush tried to haul the old war horse "kissinger" out of his lair to head the commission, until that is it was determined that he had to make disclosures about his own private business dealings.
I mean really, how can anyone seriously believe anything that has come from bush, cheny rove or the rest of that treasonous gallery. I say treason because of their "outing" of Valerie Plame which was an act of pure treachery, not to mention everything else that they have had their filthy shit hooks in - they truly are lower than pond scum. Forgive me for not buying anything they say and for that fact that they have yet to produce evidence to convince the millions of people who are not buying their version of events..

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swede wrote:Yes, exactly, the guy who is about to get fastracked off of here for unbridled hate and racism, and your on board with that. But why not, your part of the lemming crowd anyways. You should really change your handle..
Speaking of being on board with people who have unbridled hatred and racism, look in the mirror:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=25384

I just said he thinks you're nuts, I didn't say I supported him. Your inability to read is in evidence again.
Regarding the Kean commission. How could anyone afford this joke any sort of credibility. They bypassed the collapse of WTC 7 for God's sake?
Maybe some of us read it, and read what the mandate was? You obviously haven't, so here it is:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/faq.htm#q1
The Commission's mandate is to provide a “full and complete accounting” of the attacks of September 11, 2001 and recommendations as to how to prevent such attacks in the future.

Specifically, Section 604 of Public Law 107-306 requires the Commission to investigate "facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001," including those relating to intelligence agencies; law enforcement agencies; diplomacy; immigration, nonimmigrant visas, and border control; the flow of assets to terrorist organizations; commercial aviation; the role of congressional oversight and resource allocation; and other areas determined relevant by the Commission for its inquiry.
How does the collapse of WTC7, which was only a side effect of the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, relate to that? I don't see "building damage" or "collapse" in there anywhere.

It's nice to see that you're unable to point out anything actually wrong with it, though, or to provide evidence supporting your claims. You have so little evidence, that you bring up subjects like the Plame investigation, which are completely unrelated, in an attempt to validate your claims by committing an ad-hominem attack on the US officials.
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The outing of Valerie Plame is of extreme relevance because it exposes the obscene level of corruption that has been the hallmark of the Bush regime. Through the auspices and direction of Cheney, they released the identity of a covert cia agent, working on the identification of wmd's in the middle east. Her cover was blown at Cheney's behest, to take a swipe at her Ambassador husband Joeseph Wilson, as a payback for Wilson's refusal to get on board the Nigerian Yellow cake uranium train, which was a further false pretext for the war on Iraq. That is treason, it resulted in the deaths of many (unknown but arguably 20 or more) field people, and totally trashed the lifetime work of a career cia agent. The irony of this is that she was working on finding wmd's - so much for bushs war on terror, it is anything but that. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
You are right, the mandate of the Kean Commision was simply to identify the political fallout of 911. There has never been any investigation into the real perps and profitteers of 911. They have not even come close to explaining the thousands of contradicting details, which after 6 years remain unexplained and unaddressed. They don't even have the fdr or voice recorders, but who cares about minor details right? That should make you sleep better anyway..
After some of the posts by hotspur, I cannot believe you can equate his stuff with anything i have ever said on this forum, but that has been your and other posters m.o., shoot the messenger because you cannot handle the disruption to your utopic, myopic world. Say, are you from AB or Toronto? It's gotta be one or tother..
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:shock: I can't believe it, grimeys stuck for a reply :?:
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swede wrote::shock: I can't believe it, grimeys stuck for a reply :?:
No, you just haven't told me how you get paid yet.
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swede wrote:The outing of Valerie Plame is of extreme relevance because it exposes the obscene level of corruption that has been the hallmark of the Bush regime. Through the auspices and direction of Cheney, they released the identity of a covert cia agent, working on the identification of wmd's in the middle east. Her cover was blown at Cheney's behest, to take a swipe at her Ambassador husband Joeseph Wilson, as a payback for Wilson's refusal to get on board the Nigerian Yellow cake uranium train, which was a further false pretext for the war on Iraq. That is treason, it resulted in the deaths of many (unknown but arguably 20 or more) field people, and totally trashed the lifetime work of a career cia agent. The irony of this is that she was working on finding wmd's - so much for bushs war on terror, it is anything but that. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
I didn't say you were wrong, I said it was irrelevant. Evidence of one crime does not indicate that they're guilty of another unrelated crime, or even that another crime took place.
You are right, the mandate of the Kean Commision was simply to identify the political fallout of 911. There has never been any investigation into the real perps and profitteers of 911. They have not even come close to explaining the thousands of contradicting details, which after 6 years remain unexplained and unaddressed. They don't even have the fdr or voice recorders, but who cares about minor details right? That should make you sleep better anyway..
Who were the real perps, swede, and where's the evidence that they perpetrated the crime? Remember that correlation does not equate to causation.
After some of the posts by hotspur, I cannot believe you can equate his stuff with anything i have ever said on this forum, but that has been your and other posters m.o., shoot the messenger because you cannot handle the disruption to your utopic, myopic world. Say, are you from AB or Toronto? It's gotta be one or tother..
Yea, I've told lots of people here to shut the @#$! up, and think I live in a utopia. More evidence of your reading incomprehension.
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The outing of Plame is relevant, it shows that the whole "war on terror" is nonsense. Why would you expose a cia asset, when you knew she was working on wmd's. This goes to the core of a rotten regime. Following 911, not one head rolled among the clowns who were in charge of U.S. security and airspace that day. Not one, so you tell me who the perps were, because those blamed certainly gained nothing, but defense contractors sure did. Your arguments are irrelevant, somewhat like yourself.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3089/


Speaking of my ad hominem attacks, check this out - anyone who dares question the party line is attacked relentlessly by the whore media..

Latest 9/11 truth hit piece has anyone with half a brain kicking in the TV in disgust



Steve Watson
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Friday, March 22, 2007

Last night MSNBC's Joe Scarborough devoted a whole segment to attacking veteran journalist, and co-presenter of ABC's The View, Barbara Walters over Rosie O'Donnell's now public stance that 9/11 was an inside job.

In a vicious and vitriolic hit piece, Scarborough enlisted two of his core simpering yes men to attack Walters for "defending Rosie's radical rants" when Walters has merely stated several times on The View that Rosie O'Donnell is entitled to her opinion.

The segment, cheaply entitled "The sad demise of Barbara Walters" once again betrayed the fact that on the subject of 9/11 the establishment media, and the baseless debunkers, will not and cannot challenge the facts and choose every time to resort to child like name calling and character assassination.

Although labeling O'Donnell's comments as "unhinged ravings", Scarborough and his right hand men do not debate or counter what she is actually saying but instead choose to attack and attempt to end the career of an elderly woman who was reporting meaningful and insightful news items while they were still in college.

Watch the video (you may need a sick bag)



Such hypocritical and cowardly journalism is made all the worse by the fact that Walters is of the old school true form of media that commands a level of respect that Scarborough and his ilk can only dream about being able to achieve. They know they never will and so they have cast away any moral base they ever had in favour of unrivalled success as the kingpins of biased and uninformed "news opinion".

Scarborough, along with his buddies Matthew Felling, media director for the Centre of Media and Public Affairs, and MSNBC media analyst Steve Adubato were seen to engage in a ten minute back patting session which no one could have seriously taken as any form of debate.

The highlights of their ignorance are condensed as follows:

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Claim - Scarborough states that Rosie O'Donnell "misstating facts left and right" suggested that alleged 9/11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is innocent and also that O'Donnell "compared Christianity to radical Islam". Scarborough proceeds to show video of O'Donnell questioning torture and the degradation of human rights, advocating the impeachment of Bush, and then throws in a clip taken out of context where O'Donnell imitates an Asian accent.
Reality- At no point did O'Donnell suggest KSM was innocent, she merely suggested the KSM "confession" was unreliable, a sentiment echoed by all corners of the media. O'Donnell actually said that radical right wing Christianity, such as the kind George Bush promulgates, is as dangerous as radical Islam. Other attack pieces such as that of Fox News' John Gibson have resorted to the same baseless slur, we begin to see a pattern emerging.

Claim - Scarborough and friends accuse Barbara Walters of allowing Rosie O'Donnell to cover 9/11 truth as she is "hungry for relevance". They then agree that Walters has sunk to a new low and is finished.
Reality - The View has gained 600,0000 new viewers since O'Donnell took the helm. Scarborough et al even go on to admit this and then have the gall to say Walters is finished? Who is really "hungry for relevance"? Walters creating her own booming and successful new audience or Scarborough losing viewers by the thousands and resorting to attacking the success of others?

Claim - Smiley faced yes man Matthew Felling states that 9/11 skepticism is akin to believing "Fillings in your teeth are a mind numbing government plot against you". Scarborough then insinuates that all 9/11 skeptics such as O'Donnell are "siding with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed". The other analyst states that "you should challenge someone on that stuff, not just say its their point of view you should go after them like crazy".
Reality - Challenging someone on a topic you do not agree with them on should not amount to insulting them and comparing them to lunatics and terrorists. The only reason one would do this is if one did not have any basis of fact to challenge and debate with. Has there ever been a TV or newspaper hit piece on the 9/11 truth movement that doesn't heavily lean on ad hominem insults along with bias and misleading emotional rhetoric? You will never see it. See yesterday's O'Reilly hit piece for the same stench of BS.

Claim - Scarborough attacks Walters for soft balling "the dictator" Hugo Chavez when she recently interviewed him and shows two clips of her being polite to Chavez. the MSNBC analyst goes on to bemoan Walters saying she could have asked Chavez about "all sorts of things he has done against the United States".
Reality - Hugo Chavez is not a dictator, he has been unanimously voted into power by the people of Venezuela three times and his popularity has increased exponentially. Whilst the CIA reportedly continues to operate covertly inside Venezuela in attempts to oust Chavez, no evidence has emerged to suggest Chavez has done anything to the US other than bad mouth its President who's approval rating is at an all time low and has twice relied on a huge team of spin masters and lawyers to become President.

The sickening attack piece ends with smily repeater Mattthew Felling, media director for the Centre of Media and Public Affairs, stating of Walters "I don't think she's losing control I think she's sold her soul to the ratings".

On its website, CMPA claims to be politically neutral: "The Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) is a nonpartisan research and educational organization which conducts scientific studies of the news and entertainment media."

For someone in Felling's position, one in which he is supposed to stand as a neutral mediator, to engage in such a blatantly one sided piece of propaganda and then suggest that a veteran like Barbara Walters has sold her soul is truly the reason the word 'hypocrite' was scribed.

Anyone who performs a cursory online search for the CMPA will recognize that although it claims to be politically neutral, it is anything but. President Robert Lichter is a paid consultant to Fox News and a former fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, a right wing think tank commonly recognized as a center base for many neo-conservatives. Funding comes almost exclusively from right wing foundations and according to investigations by Salon.com, "the seed money for [the] center was solicited by the likes of Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson".

Very balanced.

In a similar fashion to O'Reilly's assurance that Charlie Sheen's career will end if he pursues 9/11 truth, Scarborough and his baby boys suggest it is "an embarrassment to see someone like Walters end her career like this because it is going to end like this". These neocon lap dog fools really and truly believe that they speak for the majority of Americans and that they "know this country" when they make such declarations. Wake up call - reading an auto cue 8 hours a day and telling people what to think does not make you a "man of the people".

This Scarborough attack piece is the latest cringe inducing example in a smattering of hit jobs that have emerged since O'Donnell's public 9/11 skepticism and the new angle on the Charlie Sheen story have broken. All such pieces have once again been notable only for their 3rd grade level research and kindergarten name calling.

We will continue to bring you the facts and the informed analysis, they will continue to bring you the tripe and the empty headed baseless junk that you have come to expect from your mainstream establishment apologists.


For some more ad hominem attacks - this time directed at Charlie Sheen by the slathering pit bull O'Reilly (the quintessential bush sycophant) and some of the minions.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma ... xbully.htm

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swede wrote:The outing of Plame is relevant, it shows that the whole "war on terror" is nonsense. Why would you expose a cia asset, when you knew she was working on wmd's. This goes to the core of a rotten regime. Following 911, not one head rolled among the clowns who were in charge of U.S. security and airspace that day. Not one, so you tell me who the perps were, because those blamed certainly gained nothing, but defense contractors sure did. Your arguments are irrelevant, somewhat like yourself.
No, it shows that the Iraq war was probably launched on false pretenses. The war on terror is a result of the 9/11 attacks. Plame was outed after 9/11. She isn't relevant to whether there's a conspiracy regarding the 9/11 attacks, and you repeatedly saying she is won't change that fact. Again, you seem to be missing the point that suicide bombers don't typically go into it for the money. There's a minor problem of not being able to spend it. Wow, there was a war, and defense contractors profitted. That's what they do in war, it doesn't mean they caused it. So did the US put Hitler in power? How about Ho Chi Mihn?

It's a post hoc, ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. It was the first time you claimed it, and it still is. Correllation doesn't equal causation. I specifically mentioned this to you in the post I made previous to this one, and you completely failed to see its relevance.
Speaking of my ad hominem attacks, check this out - anyone who dares question the party line is attacked relentlessly by the whore media..
So there's a conspiracy because the media is also full of people who can't make a logical argument? And what, you think Alex Jones can?

Please point out what conclusions of the 9/11 commission were not supported by evidence.
Please point out a hole in the official story which cannot be explained.
Please explain where the passengers who boarded the planes in Boston and New York went, if the buildings weren't hit by aircraft.
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