Cargojet losing the UPS contract?

CV 580 Driver · Post by **CV 580 Driver** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:58 pm

I keep hearing a nasty rumour that Cargojet has or is losing the UPS contract due to non-performance. I was wondering if anyone who knows the facts would care to elaborate.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:38 pm

That would be a hard hit to CargoJet I'm sure if it were true....hopefully not.

I've also heard rumors for years UPS is looking to start it's own Canadian domestic air service A La Morningstar does for FedEx... who knows.

R1830 · Post by **R1830** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:03 am

Geez, rumours are fun, next week: Godzilla attacks Cargojet......

Stay Tuned for the latest breaking news from KFC

therubberjungle · Post by **therubberjungle** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:49 am

Grist for the rumour mill:

Flightcraft is going to lose their contract with Canada Post (Purolater) to Cargojet.

Cargojet will assume the contract, purchase new planes, and therefor keep their head above water. Years of flying freight at below-market prices are a thing of the past.

DHL will require a new carrier to expand their presence within Canada. Flightcraft steps-up with available planes at more-than-reasonable rates.

Fedex continues operations with Morningstar, as always.

This is one wild opinion, anyone else?

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:57 pm

therubberjungle wrote:Grist for the rumour mill:

Flightcraft is going to lose their contract with Canada Post (Purolater) to Cargojet.

Cargojet will assume the contract, purchase new planes, and therefor keep their head above water. Years of flying freight at below-market prices are a thing of the past.

DHL will require a new carrier to expand their presence within Canada. Flightcraft steps-up with available planes at more-than-reasonable rates.

Fedex continues operations with Morningstar, as always.

This is one wild opinion, anyone else?

Sure, Prince Edward Air buys A380 for Domestic freight.

It's about as likely.

Spinner · Post by **Spinner** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:44 pm

Yeah we would probably buy two rather than one

one for backup of course!!

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:45 pm

Spinner wrote:Yeah we would probably buy two rather than one

one for backup of course!!

Parking might be a little tight over on Apron 2.

Andy Hamilton · Post by **Andy Hamilton** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:21 pm

therubberjungle wrote:Grist for the rumour mill:

Flightcraft is going to lose their contract with Canada Post (Purolater) to Cargojet.

Cargojet will assume the contract, purchase new planes, and therefor keep their head above water. Years of flying freight at below-market prices are a thing of the past.

DHL will require a new carrier to expand their presence within Canada. Flightcraft steps-up with available planes at more-than-reasonable rates.

Fedex continues operations with Morningstar, as always.

This is one wild opinion, anyone else?

First off, rumours are just that. Lots of 'what ifs' being thrown around, and know one will know the truth until it happens. One fact is for sure, Cargojet has in the past, and still operates with their head well above water.

aero-singidunum · Post by **aero-singidunum** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:09 am

And flight school is buying Cessna C150 cargo, they are after DHL contract

stargojit · Post by **stargojit** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:11 am

CV 580 Driver? obviously a Flightcraft driver!

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:24 pm

stargojit wrote:CV 580 Driver? obviously a Flightcraft driver!

Maybe he's Nolinor

CV 580 Driver · Post by **CV 580 Driver** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:37 pm

I guess the sarcastic replies are to be expected since they seem to be on most posts on this forum. Yes I am a Flightcraft pilot.

therubberjungle · Post by **therubberjungle** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:27 pm

"I guess the sarcastic replies are to be expected since they seem to be on most posts on this forum. Yes I am a Flightcraft pilot."

You are correct, sir!!!

A while back, a good friend of mine made a comment about Canadian aviation that rang true: "Nobody owns market share... it's only rented". By this he meant that every company has it's ups-and-downs but nothing is permanent. Some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug, and everyone is going to speculate about it.

FWIW, I've heard rumors that Flightcraft was going to lose their Canada Post contract. Once? Twice? Try once or twice per year! Add it all up and they should have gone tits-up roughly nineteen rumors ago

. Cargojet was supposed to fold shortly after starting. Morningstar was going to start a passenger service and move away from freight (Wardair lives!!!). DHL will make serious in-roads up here in Canada so the door is open for the next Cargojet. Sheesh, it just goes on and on...

One man's sarcasm is another man's humor, but I agree with you: there's too much of it around here

Cheers

R1830 · Post by **R1830** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:52 am

Spread dumb rumours, get sarcastic answers!

natureboy · Post by **natureboy** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:43 am

R1830 wrote:Spread dumb rumours, get sarcastic answers!

Watch what you say about Cargojet the natives get restless when words of the gravy train ending start to appear.

Seems there was a carrier not long ago with a Ace of Spades that lost that contract to but as I remember cause I was there was that it would never happen and don't listen to rumours.

CJ is like everyone else fallable and you'll never see it coming.

Does it really hurt if you mention that you heard a rumour and ask if its true?

airturd · Post by **airturd** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:14 am

What ever happened to those great posts about Cargojet going bankrupt around a year ago? As soon as the next quarterly report came out, suddenly it was eerily quiet in here. Has anyone seen the latest annual report? Looks pretty good.

It sure doesn't take much to get people wound up. The minute you start believing anything you read in here, it's time to put the bong down or head off to therapy.

Nightflight · Post by **Nightflight** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:29 pm

Totally unrelated but speaking of Ace of Spades I was just reminded how much I used to get the run around with those guys when I was trying to get a job with them. I would have had better chance of winning the lottery than getting to meet their Chief. Now looking back I gotta say "boy am I glad!!!".

Amazing how different the world of aviation seems when you are struggling for that first break.

ramp_rat · Post by **ramp_rat** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:21 pm

airturd wrote:What ever happened to those great posts about Cargojet going bankrupt around a year ago? As soon as the next quarterly report came out, suddenly it was eerily quiet in here. Has anyone seen the latest annual report? Looks pretty good.

It sure doesn't take much to get people wound up. The minute you start believing anything you read in here, it's time to put the bong down or head off to therapy.

You are so right dude!!

CaptainHaddock · Post by **CaptainHaddock** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:40 am

No way Airturd it's all true-Cargojet will lose the UPS,pick up the Purolator contract and then be bought by A.C.E. after that the senority lists will be merged.you saw it here first.

jet_mech_tech · Post by **jet_mech_tech** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:45 pm

Too bad for all you nay sayers but as of a couple of days ago, Purolator has decided to go with Flightcraft for another 5 years.

aero-singidunum · Post by **aero-singidunum** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:03 pm

jet_mech_tech wrote:Too bad for all you nay sayers but as of a couple of days ago, Purolator has decided to go with Flightcraft for another 5 years.

Good, KF did not loose Puro contract, many good guys there will keep their job.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:14 am

Ahhh & I was waiting to hear how cjt's sched would of turned out for the pilots... growing pains, growing pains... But hey "would you rather have 30 days off a month ?".....Words of wisdom from the great mr. ceo.

Perhaps a thx & a sorry for putting your family as number two, so that I could buy my million dollar condo's, would of worked a tad better. Anyhow water under the bridge for me, I just wish I could say the same for my fellow pilots. It's nights wake up! Your good for 14 maybe 17 hours. Hm, I wonder if transport knows the policy of consequences they use..

Yes another useless aviation resource.

You "think" that with being public (or maybe even human for heaven sakes) they would be concerned with the turn over rate of why the crews scram any where else they have a chance for, or maybe even safety ! Tells the truth from here..

Again real lives made on our backs... "hey you wanted to be a pilot" words again from the ....

LOAG · Post by **LOAG** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:25 pm

Any words Sea Bass?

squawk 7600 · Post by **squawk 7600** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:49 am

The reality is...and everyone knows this, UPS loves to bully companies around...switching contracts between carriers about as often as I change my underwear, and trust me, I change my underwear alot, atleast once a week. They do this to get the best possible rate, making companies bid against each other, when really they are just bidding against themselves. The end result, they get their connections done for a very low price. So I'm not surprised to hear this rumour, because it is exactly the game that UPS plays. If cargojet did lose the contract, it would go to Flightcraft or somebody, CargoJet would bid again in the next 6 months with a lower rate, and then would get it back.

I call it ruthlessness...but others would call it good business.

nite fr8 · Post by **nite fr8** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:26 am

This is great news for everyone at KFC. To all of you, congratulations on the renewal of the Purolator contract. Hopefully this will reinstate nights (days?) of restfull sleep to all those faced with uncertainty over the past several months.

Cargojet losing the UPS contract?

Cargojet losing the UPS contract?

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