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Transport Canada out of control?!

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Historical houses demolished to make way for Pickering Airport

Discussion here:
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=77403

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http://www.yrng.com/yr/yr4/YR_News/News ... 7821c.html

Feds destroy historic homes
WOMAN HOPED TO SAVE ONE OF THREE BUILDINGS TORN DOWN BY TRANSPORT CANADA

Mar 10, 2007
Chris Traber, Staff Writer
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(Markham) - Michelle Dimoglou's dream of preserving a piece of Markham's history was bulldozed Tuesday by Transport Canada.
The 1875 home, hand-built by 80-something-year-old John Boyle on land granted to him after the American Revolutionary War, was one of three historic buildings on the Pickering airport lands that were torn down without a permit.

In addition to Ms Dimoglou's Reesor Road dream house, properties on Reesor Road and York Durham Line, all built between 1850 and 1890, were demolished by the federal agency.

"I am so saddened. What it means is that my family isn't going to relocate that home to a nice neighbourhood at Markham Heritage Estates," said the Lindsay mother of three young children.

"The house was pristine, all original. They didn't salvage a thing. We've been working since 1998 to get a heritage property. Now it's landfill," she said.

"My seven-year old son asked why they did that. If a child can understand that it's wrong, why can't Transport Canada?"

As custodian of the airport lands, Transport Canada has jurisdiction and doesn't answer to local authorities.

The agency, which was part of a special heritage steering committee, was aware of Markham's intent to preserve the properties.

The steering committee said the properties had historical significance and requested demolition be deferred until all parties could reach an agreement.

But the federal government didn't respond to the recommendation and discussions stopped after a meeting in December 2005, Councillor John Webster said.

Mayor Frank Scarpitti wrote a series of letters to Transport Canada, copying the federal Transportation and Finance Ministers. A "strongly worded and bolded" letter Jan. 23 was also ignored.

On Feb. 27, Markham council passed a resolution asking Transport Canada to hold off on the demolition and re-join discussions at the steering committee.

Transport Canada offered to let the town take photographs, pieces of the structure or relocate the homes.

Markham heritage staff visited the properties Monday after Transport Canada requested demolition permits, but security guards wouldn't let them in, Mr. Webster said.

The next day, bulldozers levelled the structures.

"Transport Canada is out of control," Mr. Webster said. "They have systematically ignored our attempts to save three important historical sites in the the Town of Markham. Forty-three more are at risk.

"These buildings are irreplaceable heirlooms. Transport Canada ignored all requests and ordered them destroyed. Transport Canada doesn't think they have to answer to anybody. They had no permit. They wrote their own rules. It's blatant. They figured they could get rid of the heritage homes before anyone could do anything about it. Obviously, they think we're all stupid."

Transport Canada was obligated to demolish the houses, regional communications advisor Tina Bouchard said.

"Transport Canada was legally committed to follow through with the demolition of these residential dwellings, as this was the ground for issuing the original notices of termination to the tenants under the Ontario Tenant Protection Act," she said.

Asked if the 43 additional structures on the land, many of them historically significant, were at risk, she said, "As custodian of the Pickering lands site, Transport Canada makes all important decisions related to the site."

She said the demolition is part of the government's long-range strategy.

"The department is undertaking prudent, long-term planning to ensure that, if demand dictates, a safe and viable airport remains an option for local interests," she said. "Transport Canada has been working with the municipalities on their local heritage plans for federally owned buildings on the Pickering Lands Site. Transport Canada will continue to facilitate local heritage plans."

Mr. Scarpitti blames "a breakdown in the system."

The mayor believes the federal government's absence from the steering committee during 2006 eroded communications.

"The system let us down," he said. "They were well aware of what we wanted. On a go-forward basis, 43 buildings remain. We're strongly recommending that we reconvene the heritage steering committee and adopt criteria and establish protocols so they can't go and knock heritage properties down."
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Our whole government structure is out of control...sad to see these morons do things like this. I thought the governments job was to work for the people not against them.

It makes me puke to see things like this happening and just for a f'n airport!
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Transport Canada is not in control. Well that’s not true, they are controlled by the operators.

Any idea why Canada still has the most lax duty time restriction in the G8, in all of the industrialized nations?
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Transport Canada doesn't care very much about the law. Like the police, they feel that since they enforce it, it really doesn't apply to them.

Transport has illegally banned my airshow team "for life" from ever performing again in Canada. They're not legally allowed to do that, but I can't ever fly at another airshow in the country of which I am supposedly a citizen, because of Transport's anger towards me.

How very professional.

Welcome to the People's Republic of Canada, comrades!
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[quote="laststandingpilot"]Well that’s not true, they are controlled by the operators.

LSP, how can you possibly say that Transport Canada is "Controlled by the operators."???????

Have you not been reading all of the people on here who cannot get any justice out of them? Or even an honest answer? Or even get a response about a concern? It is necessary to sue these clowns in court, and win, to get monetary justice, but there is no control over them......currently.....

Check out the post by Snoopy (Quest for Justice) that points out that TC "consultation" is with less than 1.7% of 703 operators.

Get with the times, man.

Destroying those houses, on the basis of the story, verges on the criminal.
But it is an attitude many of us have come to expect.
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laststandingpilot wrote:Transport Canada is not in control. Well that’s not true, they are controlled by the operators.

Any idea why Canada still has the most lax duty time restriction in the G8, in all of the industrialized nations?
I agree with you.

What constitutes a day off?

Is a day off when you are on standby for the whole day, at just over one hours notice, and when you are not called upon for the day it is determined that you just had a day off? In my eyes this is not a day off.
A day off is a a day off when you can enjoy yourself free from the phone or your duties.

There is a a part of this industry that still encourges the above!!
And the operators in the industry support it !!

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Hey Snaproll20,
The real number was actually 1.56% - don't round it up to 1.7 - they might think that is reasonable!
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Snoopy.

OOOPS!!!! :shock: Mea culpa! Did it from (poor) memory.

Keep up the good work!!! :lol:

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Post by Justwannafly »

Is anyone suprised by this story?.....I'm not.....They have been getting realy bad lately & this is just the latest of their exploits
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Post by Daart »

I wish I could say all of my dealings with TC have been positive, however that has rarely been the case. You do find some who try very hard to educate, and you benefit from your exposure to them. The majority however seem to enjoy intimidation and heavy handed tactics.
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" The majority however seem to enjoy intimidation and heavy handed tactics. "

Better known as psychopathic personality.

They get away with it because if you show any resistance you are playing into their hands and they can really do a number on you. The thing that really makes it difficult is regardless of how they behave they are protected 100% by their system.

Resistance is a big mistake.

Best way to change their behaviour is to beat the living crap out of them.

But that has some problems for you also, so you can't win with that type of cretin.
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One of the interesting and nice things that seems to be taking place is that all those inspectors who were part of the bullying process and the 'crush them if they defy us' policy are now crying for whistle blower protection.

I never saw anyone of them, not one, asking for protection for people in the industry, while TC totally destroyed peoples careers and lives.
Seems the beast has turned and they have realized the true face of TC management.

I dont think Cat, we have much more to do. When those within become afraid of the organization itself, and are speaking out, it will change.

I am not seeking any kind of revenge (though I have to admit that there are a few people at TC who I would like to see fired not let go), I hope we will actually see a ne breed of management with a positive attitude.
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From what I understand - the Pickering lands are 'supposed' to be used to replace CYKZ (Toronto - Buttonville) sometime in the future. When, who knows? This makes sense except for one thing....why are they putting up a state-of-the-art new tower for CYKZ if they are going to abandon it in the future? More govenment waste.

I am saddened by what TC is doing in destroying the houses. It is a shame that there is no way we can embarass those making these stupid decisions in public. Don't these 'people' report to the politicians of the country - ie - the Prime Minister of Canada or the cabinet minister in charge of Transportation?
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Cod Father wrote: We've been working since 1998 to get a heritage property.

The agency, which was part of a special heritage steering committee, was aware of Markham's intent to preserve the properties.

The steering committee said the properties had historical significance and requested demolition be deferred until all parties could reach an agreement.

Mayor Frank Scarpitti wrote a series of letters to Transport Canada, copying the federal Transportation and Finance Ministers. A "strongly worded and bolded" letter Jan. 23 was also ignored.

On Feb. 27, Markham council passed a resolution asking Transport Canada to hold off on the demolition and re-join discussions at the steering committee.

Transport Canada offered to let the town take photographs, pieces of the structure or relocate the homes.
So you're blaming this on TC???? The house has been aroun 1850 and it takes society 150 years to make it a historical site, well, sorta, half way there, they started applying for it 10 years ago bt nobody cared about it so nothing was done....

All of a sudden it got demolished and suddenly everyone cares...

What were they waitng on "all parties?"

TC - "do you want to preserve?"
City - "yes"
TC - "ahh, you gonna move it, it's been 10 years...."
City - " ahhh, yeah.... shortly"
tc - "do whatever you want, get some pictures while you can"
City - "ah yeah, it was so important that we didn't bother with pictures before..."
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Post by Hedley »

Anyone here remember the Mirabel fiasco? All that land seized, billions of taxpayer dollars spent, for .... nothing.

Anyone see any similarities? Bueller?
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