Just heard that a plane crashed in yth about 45 mins ago, does anyone have any info.? Can it be confirmed? Have lots of friends who fly in that area and would appreciate any info.
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Plane Crash in YTH?
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Chuck U Farley
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Let's all hope it was something mechanical.
We have had enough misshaps that were blamed on the pilots.
Soon insurance will be to expensive to get.
We have had enough misshaps that were blamed on the pilots.
Soon insurance will be to expensive to get.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Chuck U Farley
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HMMM, first of all why don't you go and speculate on another site and stop making an ass of yourself. You clearly don't have your facts straight.
Ok. First of all there was no crash. It was a collapsed gear and the pilots did an excellent job keeping the plane on the runway. I used to work at Perimeter and have to say that this company operates under challenging conditions. They fly into short runways with hot old aircraft. But all this bull$hit they take is unfair. They have some of the best maintenance I've ever seen at this level. In my five years at Perimeter there was never an aircraft dispatched that was pushed out the door without due diligence done first. There aren't many companies out there that pay as much attention to detail in the maintenance department as Perimeter does. Why do you think the planes are broken so much? Because the pilots snag them and the mechanics fix them. It's amazing to me when I see other operators send a medevac crew and aircraft into the north for 5 or 6 weeks without returning to base for major work. They come home with a napkin full of snags. This would never work at Perimeter because when things broke they were fixed...legitimately too! Perimeter pilots also don't take chances with serviceability. When something is questionable or not quite right they abort their takeoff or come back to base to snag the problem and get another aircraft. Pilots don't take heat for this either which is contrary to other operators who send the ops manager out to the aircraft to lay a beating on you. Don't forget that Perimeter has more movements out of Winnipeg than AC or Westjet on any given day by a long shot. With this much flying you can be sure $hit will happen.
The bottom line is lay off! There is a big difference between having a mechanical gear problem and running out of gas or breaking minimums to get in!
Ok. First of all there was no crash. It was a collapsed gear and the pilots did an excellent job keeping the plane on the runway. I used to work at Perimeter and have to say that this company operates under challenging conditions. They fly into short runways with hot old aircraft. But all this bull$hit they take is unfair. They have some of the best maintenance I've ever seen at this level. In my five years at Perimeter there was never an aircraft dispatched that was pushed out the door without due diligence done first. There aren't many companies out there that pay as much attention to detail in the maintenance department as Perimeter does. Why do you think the planes are broken so much? Because the pilots snag them and the mechanics fix them. It's amazing to me when I see other operators send a medevac crew and aircraft into the north for 5 or 6 weeks without returning to base for major work. They come home with a napkin full of snags. This would never work at Perimeter because when things broke they were fixed...legitimately too! Perimeter pilots also don't take chances with serviceability. When something is questionable or not quite right they abort their takeoff or come back to base to snag the problem and get another aircraft. Pilots don't take heat for this either which is contrary to other operators who send the ops manager out to the aircraft to lay a beating on you. Don't forget that Perimeter has more movements out of Winnipeg than AC or Westjet on any given day by a long shot. With this much flying you can be sure $hit will happen.
The bottom line is lay off! There is a big difference between having a mechanical gear problem and running out of gas or breaking minimums to get in!
What amazes me is before anybody really knows anything, that as so called "Professionals", some of you can hardly wait to ambulance chase and immediately, without any knowledge of the given situation, jump all over the backs of your fellow pilots.
Whether it is salaries, PPCs, unions, experience vs college, very rarely can any two of you agree on anything for more than a few minutes before you are flaming each other or drawing the knives.
Who really gives a shit what company or crew it was, whether they were young kids or old hands, they got themselves into something that went sour, very well maybe for reasons beyond their control.
There but for the grace of.........
But I guess you don't plan on it happening to you, eh HMMMMMM
carholme
Whether it is salaries, PPCs, unions, experience vs college, very rarely can any two of you agree on anything for more than a few minutes before you are flaming each other or drawing the knives.
Who really gives a shit what company or crew it was, whether they were young kids or old hands, they got themselves into something that went sour, very well maybe for reasons beyond their control.
There but for the grace of.........
But I guess you don't plan on it happening to you, eh HMMMMMM
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Do you think SMS will put an end to those problems?Pilots don't take heat for this either which is contrary to other operators who send the ops manager out to the aircraft to lay a beating on you.
How true carholme, I posted about it hopefully being mechanical rather than pilot error hoping everyone would agree, but this industry has turned into something I no longer understand where to often vindictivness and envy overides everything else.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Glad to hear everyone is alright. From what I heard the pilots did a textbook job.
I guess 10 years plus of doing this hasn't proven otherwise good thing you brought it up maybe they should look into it.The fact is P can't keep those machines in the air and they shouldn't be going into some of those short strips they do go into, they are 2 fast.
You have to be the biggest idiot i've seen on here![/quote]People lose teeth for stuff like that!
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Ok champ, lets do the math here, with about 40 movements on gravel everyday (probably more than that) at Perimeter, spread out over those 8 months, that amounts to about 1/10th a percent of our total flights resulting in a "situation" that needs to be dealt with. There are not many operators in Canada that operate in the north with that volume... there are bound to be a few problems in this type of operation. And by the way, if we are to "scrap" these POS metro's and use an airplane that is designed to fly in and out of these strips, we would have to go find every ATR, Saab, Hawker, 1900, King Air, Pilatus, Navajo, 414, Conquest, Caravan, and every other airplane that we adapt to the north and replace them with Beaver's, Twin Otter's, and Caribou's.HMMMM wrote: This is just one of at least a dozen emergencies this company has declared in the last 8 months. I
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HMMMM...ever flown a Metro? I have. Nothing wrong with Metros. Nothing will carry than many passengers, that fast, that cheaply. Your comments are uncalled for, and you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you?
I'm with you Cat. I know nothing about this mishap, but I'm hoping something broke.
Hey CC....don't forget DC3's! Every strip in the north (almost every) was designed for the old Racer!
I'm with you Cat. I know nothing about this mishap, but I'm hoping something broke.
Hey CC....don't forget DC3's! Every strip in the north (almost every) was designed for the old Racer!
Now there is some good SMS..ya gottta and your are gonna bend a little metal to make a little money.Captain Crunch wrote:Ok champ, lets do the math here, with about 40 movements on gravel everyday (probably more than that) at Perimeter, spread out over those 8 months, that amounts to about 1/10th a percent of our total flights resulting in a "situation" that needs to be dealt with. There are not many operators in Canada that operate in the north with that volume... there are bound to be a few problems in this type of operation.HMMMM wrote: This is just one of at least a dozen emergencies this company has declared in the last 8 months. I
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Good lord..full circle we go!!!!
There is no substitute for BIG JUGS!!
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If you saw the daily occurence reports in this country for mechanicals...that's not a bad showing.HMMMM wrote:Since this is the palce to rant about aviation, I am gona go off here. I don't want to come off as slandering the company but I know alot of pilots at that company and it pisses me off what goes on there. This is just one of at least a dozen emergencies this company has declared in the last 8 months.
Just a few facts:
Perimeter's history with Metro's on gravel dates back to 1978, starting with a fleet of two increasing to roughly 20 now.
Most Metros operating as sked aircraft complete between 6 and 12 sectors per day with 1/2 to 3/4 of take offs and landings on gravel, 363 days per year, in all weather, mostly daytime, some nighttime.
By sheer numbers, an enviable safety record.
Perimeter's history with Metro's on gravel dates back to 1978, starting with a fleet of two increasing to roughly 20 now.
Most Metros operating as sked aircraft complete between 6 and 12 sectors per day with 1/2 to 3/4 of take offs and landings on gravel, 363 days per year, in all weather, mostly daytime, some nighttime.
By sheer numbers, an enviable safety record.
Its great listening to a room of circuit jockeys critique proven pilots. Nice work ...
Im guessing at the level of ignorance that there are a handful of patch burner's and green right seater's. Giv'er boys ... you might need a bigger bucket.
As long as everyone is ok .. thats all that matters .. the rest is relative. Birds get bent ... fact of life.
Cheers,
Loc
Im guessing at the level of ignorance that there are a handful of patch burner's and green right seater's. Giv'er boys ... you might need a bigger bucket.
As long as everyone is ok .. thats all that matters .. the rest is relative. Birds get bent ... fact of life.
Cheers,
Loc
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All that matters is everyone is ok! The plane is going to be still serviceable, the pilots did an outstanding job!!! The pilots got everyone "walking" off the plane in one piece and for that they did a spectacular job with what they had to deal with! Isn't that really whats important, the pilots did a good job, everyone safe!
