12 weeks and still no answer?

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:25 am

Yah KAG. Memorize those ACMs, ATMs, CASMAs, ATMs and WTFs. Good luck!!

767 · Post by **767** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:13 pm

asscrack wrote: Perhaps I should masturabted small animals or wished to be a florist.

hmm i guess thats probably why they havent called you..

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:36 pm

Ummm. I think he was just being sarcastic.

tumbleweed · Post by **tumbleweed** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:46 pm

You guys gotta quit hijacking theese threds. There is lots of guys who are trying to plan their lives around this interview. I had my whole life and career on hold for five months until I was PFO'd. The worst part about it was they won't tell you why, and tell you to try again. I have a very senior source who had a cruize pilot that waited 7 months for an positive answer. All I would ask if anyone in recruitment is reading this is to give the reason that a no was decided. That would give each individual candidate a better perspective on what ac thinks of him and if he should try again. i.e. if he/she was told his transcripts were too low, he/she would have to redo some high school before reapplying. If he/she was told they didn't have enough EFIS time they should keep at it. That little bit of info might even reduce the amount of resumes and reduce the wait time.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:14 pm

priceless wrote:hey KAG, you sit here and all of a sudden your a freakin expert go WJ afficianado. funny, you go to JAZZ and in less than a dogs year your jumping over to WJ! HMM, you know people like you are what @#$! up this industry. In my opinon you have no ground to stand on in putting down AC or JAZZ for that matter.

How can you blame a Jazz pilot for going to WestJet after one month? WestJet's compensation was great until they had 2 bad years that underperformed the stock options, and they didn't pay out. WestJet then lost a few pilots to AC, Emirates and Harmony which made Flt Ops managers scratch their heads So they upped the hourly wages, imporved the days off and made the package attractive again, no one has left for a while now.

Jazz has a contract and nothing says they can't pay more. I have a good friend of mine who just finshed his 9th year at Jazz as an FO. He made 59,000 for 2006, nuff said there. Again, the industry corrects itself in supply and demand. So please, don't sweat what helps all of us.

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:27 pm

Well said!

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:03 am

Anyone who gets hired at Jazz knows the pay going in. You can whine all you want about extra taxes and union dues and benefit deductions but in the end they all know the money isn't very good. The payscale is available online so people can look and see what their progression will be paywise. I don't really see any excuse to jump ship because the money sucked. If you didn't think you could make ends meet with what they pay you shouldn't have applied in the first place.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:33 am

I must admit I didn't research enough the pay scale's at Jazz. I knew what the first year or 2 was, but I also kept hearing about WDO's and working alittle extra to make up the difference. Now that were 85 hours min, that all but took care of the extra hours I was getting each month which is what was told to me in my interview.

All in all Jazz has many good things going for it, unmatched lifestyle (money aside) and safe equipment. MGMT also seems pretty laid back (the few incounters I've had). Anyone thinking of going there I would still encourage it, just make sure you know exactly what your getting into.

But hey, At least Jazz gets back to you in a few weeks...

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:50 am

The only vote that matters is the one you do with your feet. Union dudes can sit around and talk all they want about fences, protection, negotiations and so forth, but the only thing that makes a company pay more is if they can't get enough qualified people to do the job. I say good onya KAG. Whining on AvCanada accomplishes nothing. Putting your money where your mouth is (quitting and going to a competitor) speaks louder than any of this crap ever will.
Good luck at WJ.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:46 am

asscrack · Post by **asscrack** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:29 am

I don't buy that shit.

My parents are 25 year management retirees from CP/AC (both)
I know family friends who are Training Capts on the 777

I am still sitting here going on 13 weeks with no answers and no one who I have ever mentioned or have as a reference has been contacted.
Yes I believe there is a points scale and being a female bilingual pregnant black native may get you a few more.. but their is a mininum score (which I may or may not have gotten) assigned by the dudes that interview. HR may add a few points afterwards but if you are truely right for the job, you will succeed.

At the end of the day, I have a great job. Making loads of cash , flying snazzy new jets.

AC would be great. But life will go on.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:32 am

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:43 pm

tonysoprano wrote:Kag.
I'm refering to what has started to be an "AC this, AC that, glad I left" saga. Not so much you yet, but twinpratts for sure.

Sorry if I offended anyone... I'll tone down the happy thoughts from this end.

abflyguy · Post by **abflyguy** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:41 am

I went through those ridiculus cog tests and I have to say I call BS on whether they show what future performance will be.
If you read about them they are generally used as a base reference for an individual in case there are problems in the future. It will show whether a person has any sort of brain damage but if you don't have a baseline for the individual it doesn't mean anything.
The baseline models AC uses are for people that are currently working for the company in which there is no pressure to get the job, they have no need to question their answers or wonder what they mean. All you will get using this is the same type of employees that you tested orginally and where they the best and the brightest?
It is all a bunch of psycho babble bs!

My 2 cents.

Still waiting to hear if I am psycho or not lol.

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:14 am

My guess is the psyc test weighs more than the COG, and maybe even the interview too!

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:29 pm

I hope AC does away with these stupid cog tests. Most pilots already employed at AC couldn't pass them. Anyway, don't give up.

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:03 pm

Amen Tumbleweed!

Although I am fed up with people getting PFO'd then getting a call 2 months later once the strings have been pulled.

I call bulls&*t!

(yes, i was PFO'd)

NEO

asscrack · Post by **asscrack** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:24 pm

A full 13 weeks now past, heading into week 14.

I have been offered another widebody jet time in the meanwhile..........

pelmet · Post by **pelmet** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:24 pm

I almost, almost gave up going to a good new job from what was for me, a crappy scheduled job while waiting over 10 weeks for a PFO after being told it would be 3-4 weeks. Thank god I took the new job or I would be quite bitter now. Anyways, back to my great schedule on a cool aircraft at very good industry standard pay.

sportingrifle · Post by **sportingrifle** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:05 pm

Thrust set...thank you for the in depth explanation of a process that made (at least to now) no sense. I find it interesting that a process with which we are determining an ever increasingly greater percentage of our flight operations department, was validated by a sample size of 8. Not an overwhelming track record or confidence interval! Another wrinkle is how little attention seems to paid to the interviewers comments. A good friend is doing some of the interviewing. In several cases they have thought the world of a candidate and made a comment like "Quick. Hire this person before NASA does!" Several weeks later the candidate gets the dreaded PFO letter. Converseley, they have seen people that they were unimpressed with on course several months later. For our airlines sake, I hope that the boffins that designed these tests really know what they're doing.

Dark Helmet · Post by **Dark Helmet** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:56 am

You can explain it,and justify it all you want. Still, 7 months is way too long of a time decide whether or not someone is qualified.

You can make any claims like "We have a 98.8% success rate" Well Jazz and Westjet have had similar success with their candidates. And their interview process is alot more comprehensive and quick.

Conpanies like Cathay and Emeirates do take a little longer. However they are international carriers hiring expats. A lot more hoops to jump through. I believe they try to be as prompt as they can with their responses.

No matter how you look at it. You can have a perfect interview process. If you make someone wait 6 months for an answer you are going to get negative feedback. Period.

Eventhough everyone has their own degree of patience. No one likes to wait. Whether is for a ground crew at the Gate, sitting in traffic on the 401, or in this case wait for a repply to an interview.

alwaysflying · Post by **alwaysflying** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:40 am

Thrust Set

Thanks for the insight, I got PFO's after 7 months in early 2006, had interviewed in Aug05. I know that the GS were slowed down at the end of 2005 so I remained in the pool and I guess kept getting bumped down & finally got PFO'd whereas if the pace of GS were the same at the end of 2005 as they subsequently became in mid 2006 I would probably been in one of them. Is it correctly understood by me ? So if the pace of training slows down & the interviews keep going then one is plain UNLUCKY !!

For all those who keep whining I am not ashamed to say that I wanted the job really badly & would still want to join AC if given the opportunity. For those who want to know I have 6000 hrs, with 2000 hrs Airbus command time flying internationally worldwide, an MBA degree. Everything good but nothing like flying at home !!!

Have kept my application updated ever since, met Bob Clarke, written letters for reconsideration, all negative so far !

I am sure lacking in something they r looking for, wish I knew so that atleast I could try to fix it. For all those who have made it I can say it may be a tough begining but there ain't going to be looking back.. GOOD LUCK wish I were there ...........

flyer_146 · Post by **flyer_146** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:59 am

There are so many questions you never answered other than stating your experience and education. Remember the golden rule: your experience and education will only get you to the interview; the rest is up to you. You stress your significant experience and education but I see absolutely no connection between that and how well you would have performed on the testing and interview. Understand what Thrust Set wrote as that explains it perfectly. I was hired 2 weeks after my interview and I can assure you that my resume never came close to yours. I also know that I answered every question honestly and told the board about a lot of mistakes I have made but also learned from. Why are you so focused on working for a company where you didn't pass the initial selection? Would you not maybe be a better fit for another airline like Skyservice? The other obvious question is....how would you handle flying as F/O beside a Captain with half your experience?

12 weeks and still no answer?

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