Plane Crash in YTH?

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:50 pm

Are ya a little bitter there Doc? .. Sniff Sniff ... here's a hanky. I hear Depends are on sale.

Cheers,

Loc

ywgatc · Post by **ywgatc** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:13 pm

As one of the controllers involved in the incident, yes, it was a mechanical problem. The right landing gear was stuck in a partially down position, and wouldn't move. Great job by the pilots getting it down safely and everyone out safely.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:34 pm

That is great news.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:15 pm

That is good news. That can happen to anybody, at any time. It just creates paperwork....I hate paperwork!
Fly safe.

BingBong · Post by **BingBong** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:23 am

Dude....its called getting your @ss out and working hard on the ramp.....not letting some student build your hours whilest you sit there and watch the world go by. Circuit Jockey Indeed.

confused · Post by **confused** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:31 am

official report:
On take off from God's the pilot flying had difficulty lifting the nose,and overran the runway.They hit the snowbank just as the aircraft lifted off breaking a drag link and yanking hydraulic lines off.

andrimitum · Post by **andrimitum** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:07 am

P did 36,000 flights in 06.
And yes when the pilots report a problem it is treated like a problem with the plane not with the pilot reporting the problem.

Now to the real issue

At least three videos were shot of the plane landing, does anyone have a copy posted on youtube yet ??

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:14 am

So, the problem was caused by the departure from God's? Then it wasn't the fault of the gear?

andrimitum · Post by **andrimitum** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:23 am

The problem was caused when the AC left the runway late at God's and hit a snowbank.
That does not mean it was pilot error though.
There are too many unkowns to make any kind of determination yet.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:52 am

Normally you try not to jump to conclusions too fast .. but it sounds like Doc's already got his mind made up ..

:gib:

Cheers,

Loc

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:29 am

The problem was caused when the AC left the runway late at God's and hit a snowbank.

Left the runway late?

Was it because of his clearance being changed and he didn't get rolling at the planned time?

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:33 am

I think he means to say the roll went long and rotated late.

Cheers,

Loc

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:56 am

Thanks for explaining that localizer, not only do I forget where I put my cane some days I also have problems with remembering all those things that go into getting an airplane airborne.

So thanks for explaining that to me.

hella_bright · Post by **hella_bright** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:57 am

Cat Driver wrote:
The problem was caused when the AC left the runway late at God's and hit a snowbank.
Left the runway late?

Was it because of his clearance being changed and he didn't get rolling at the planned time?

Actually the pilot was a "she".

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:16 am

Actually the pilot was a "she".

Sorry for the mistake regarding gender, I sometimes revert to that bad habit of forgetting that society is so gender sensitive.

However for the sake of this discussion does it really matter as to the gender of the crew?

andrimitum · Post by **andrimitum** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:17 am

Plane rotated just fine, just had no intention of flying (based on the tracks off the end of the runway)

Now back to the main point

where is the video of the landing?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:23 pm

Sometimes when the numbers are right, and load is within limits, proper flap setting (Metro takes off without flap if memory serves me correctly?) is selected for takeoff, airplanes don't get airborne as planned. I've never actually had this happen.....but I have heard of such things. I haven't smacked anything after rotation, but I can see how this would cause problems later in the flight?
I'd say they were bloody lucky it was a snow bank, and not a steel fence, or building?

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:47 pm

With more hours than I care to think about in the old Texas Tampon, I sometimes think gender of the pilot MAY have a slight bearing on this incident. It was in all likelyhood a Metro 2. Those airplanes normally take-off with the flaps up but a flaps 1/4 take-off is in the AFM. The pitch trim indicator is in a sort of awkward spot, as is most of the instrument panel in that airplane. That is why they are called a piece of shit.
It has been my experience that female pilots as a general rule are be a bit less aggressive on the flight controls, opting for smoothness and finess. The same can be said of pilots of any gender but females are in the majority in this case. That works very well for most operations and gives the paying passengers a nice smooth ride. Except, during take-off in a Turbo Dildo, you generally do not rotate those airplanes to the take-off attitude, you heave them in to the air, usually with both hands on the control pole. Have the pitch trim set just a wee bit nose down, a smooth finess pilot coupled with piss poor visibility over the nose, I can see where this can bite you.

hella_bright · Post by **hella_bright** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:55 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
Actually the pilot was a "she".
Sorry for the mistake regarding gender, I sometimes revert to that bad habit of forgetting that society is so gender sensitive.

However for the sake of this discussion does it really matter as to the gender of the crew?

No one said it mattered, except that you carelessly assumed the pilot in command was a male.

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:19 pm

oldtimer wrote:With more hours than I care to think about in the old Texas Tampon, I sometimes think gender of the pilot MAY have a slight bearing on this incident. It was in all likelyhood a Metro 2. Those airplanes normally take-off with the flaps up but a flaps 1/4 take-off is in the AFM. The pitch trim indicator is in a sort of awkward spot, as is most of the instrument panel in that airplane. That is why they are called a piece of shit.
It has been my experience that female pilots as a general rule are be a bit less aggressive on the flight controls, opting for smoothness and finess. The same can be said of pilots of any gender but females are in the majority in this case. That works very well for most operations and gives the paying passengers a nice smooth ride. Except, during take-off in a Turbo Dildo, you generally do not rotate those airplanes to the take-off attitude, you heave them in to the air, usually with both hands on the control pole. Have the pitch trim set just a wee bit nose down, a smooth finess pilot coupled with piss poor visibility over the nose, I can see where this can bite you.

Well, the "Oldtimer" certainly is right... even if you think something ridiculous like that, why bother posting it... We all know lots of perimeter people read these forums, maybe even the pilots involved in this incident. For them to hear about an attitude like this doesn't help anyone, other women aviators, the pilot involved here, as well as most male aviators who don't live in 1942.

Please spare us from this nonsense. I've had the privelage of flying a metro with captains, who happened to be women, and find none of what you said to be true. The last thing (most people) think when they are taking off out of Gods in the spring in a loaded metro is, "I better make this one smooth".
It has been my experience that female pilots, as a general rule, aren't complete dickheads.
CC

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:30 pm

Thanks for explaining that localizer, not only do I forget where I put my cane some days I also have problems with remembering all those things that go into getting an airplane airborne.

Right ... So I think im being helpful in explaining what he meant (and being nice about it) and you go and be a smart-ass ... Speaking of that cane, I know one i'd like to boot right now.

Cheers,

Loc

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:51 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
Quote:
Actually the pilot was a "she".

Sorry for the mistake regarding gender, I sometimes revert to that bad habit of forgetting that society is so gender sensitive.

However for the sake of this discussion does it really matter as to the gender of the crew?

No one said it mattered, except that you carelessly assumed the pilot in command was a male

.

Well pardon me hella_bright for being so careless.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:46 pm

So whats the deal Cat? ... Is Doc your bitch or something? He gets his feelings hurt by a comment, and now his man is going to take care of the problem? ...

Cheers,

Loc

TooLowFlap · Post by **TooLowFlap** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:21 pm

Gods is a pretty decent runway for a northern strip.. was there some kind of trim malfunction, or improper trim setting going on here giving the difficulty pulling it off?

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:12 pm

hella_bright wrote: Actually the pilot was a "she".

Actually, who gives a shit?