Logging hours

Mustang29 · Post by **Mustang29** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:57 pm

Does anyone know if you can log cross-country time while flying multi-ifr?
and if so, is it all cross country time or just the enroute portion not including the approaches and holds?
I've been told you can't log cross country if you're IFR but I'm not sure?
Thanks

C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:35 pm

You can. No mention of VFR/IFR in the Canadian definition of Cross-country.

FlyYukon · Post by **FlyYukon** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:56 pm

Has anyone used IFR cross country time like that for a higher license with Transport?

*edited cause I didn't proof read

Aeros · Post by **Aeros** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:22 am

FlyYukon wrote:Has anyone used IFR cross country time like that for a higher license with Transport?

Don't know about higher licences but everyone has to log Instrument time and Cross-Country time at the same time to get their Instrument Rating.

CAR 421.46 -- Instrument Rating Requirements:

(2) (b) (D) one dual cross-country flight under simulated or actual IMC conditions of a minimum of 100 nautical miles, the flight to be conducted in accordance with an IFR flight plan to include at, two different locations, an instrument approach to minima.

That makes it pretty clear to me that you can count instrument and Cross-Country time at the same time.

Here is the process that I go through when logging my time:

Q1 - Was the flight PIC, Dual or Co-Pilot?
Q2 - Was it in a single or a multi-engine aircraft?
Q3 - Was it during the day or at night?

The answers to those three questions tell me what column I should use to write it the flight time.

Q4 - Did I spend any time in cloud?

That answer will tell me if I can put some time, and how much, under the actual column.

Q5 - Was it a cross-country flight?

That answer will tell me if I can put any time under the X/C column.

There is NO reason that I can't put time in both the instrument and X/C columns at the same time.

Cross-Country is cross-country, Instrument time is instrument time. If you happen to satisfy the requirements of both at the same time, put the time in both columns.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:00 pm

XC is simply A to B flying. IFR/VFR is irrelevant.

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:37 pm

Hold on guys.... watch it

You can go ahead and log Instrument Cross country but you cannot use two things when it comes time to file for your commercial.

E.g. you go CYXX to CYYJ under the hood IFR... you can put what ever you want in the other columns.... lets say it takes 1.3

You can log it as 1.3 of hood and use that toward your instrument raiting and toward your comercial but then you can't use 1.3 or X/C time that would be 'double dipping' the flight was only 1.3 not 2.6.... (don't know why you would want dual X/C any way)

TC guy your help would be appreciated

RVR6000 · Post by **RVR6000** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:57 pm

How is it double dipping, you're in clouds (hood) and on a cross country flight. So why not count it towards both..

Aeros · Post by **Aeros** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:29 pm

Krashman wrote:You can go ahead and log Instrument Cross country but you cannot use two things when it comes time to file for your commercial.

You're right, for the application for a CPL you cannot count the time towards BOTH the dual X/C requirements and the dual Instrument time requirements.

That being said, if you are applying for an ATPL you can, as you call it "double dip". The clause that specifically prohibits the "double dipping" for the CPL does not appear in the experience requirement section of the ATPL -- therefore it is allowed.

The limitations that are imposed reference the CPL apply only to the crediting of the time towards the licence application. In all cases, you can LOG the time as both Instrument and Cross-Country -- you just need to do some extra math when you are calculating the time that you will use in support of your application for a CPL.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:20 pm

You can count both towards an ATPL.

Mustang29 · Post by **Mustang29** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:42 pm

Thanks for the responses! Considering I hold a CPL - I'm happy to hear I can log it all towards my ATPL.
I appreciate it!

TC Guy · Post by **TC Guy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:36 pm

Krashman wrote:TC guy your help would be appreciated

You may record anything you wish in your personal logbook. The real question is: what can be used towards meeting the experience requirements for the CPL?

For the purposes CPL licensing, you cannot use instrument time and cross country time logged on the same flight towards the required experience. Another good example would be the night and instrument time requirements.

Night and cross country may both also be logged to meet these requirements.

It should be understood that the above is only applicable towards CPL requirements. Cross country and instrument time *are* to be used towards the ATPL requirements.

Hope this helps!

-Guy

TC Guy · Post by **TC Guy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:37 pm

Krashman wrote:TC guy your help would be appreciated

You may record anything you wish in your personal logbook. The real question is: what can be used towards meeting the experience requirements for the CPL?

For the purposes CPL licensing, you cannot use instrument time and cross country time logged on the same flight towards the required experience. Another good example would be the night and instrument time requirements.

Night and cross country may both also be logged to meet these requirements.

It should be understood that the above is only applicable towards CPL requirements. Cross country and instrument time *are* to be used towards the ATPL requirements.

Hope this helps!

-Guy

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