Where is the second A345?

The Velvet Fog · Post by **The Velvet Fog** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:36 pm

Regards,

Mel

JZA · Post by **JZA** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:53 pm

"C" check in HKG....I believe at HAECO.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:05 am

I believe they are having them done in Singapore.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:20 am

Call me naive but why wouldn't AC do there own checks here in the like of YUL, YYZ, etc.

why would they contract it out to some other country.

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:24 am

flyinhigh wrote:....why would they contract it out to some other country.

$$$$$??
Or it's the fact that AC's laying off a bunch of AME's?

Lever · Post by **Lever** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:02 pm

Or the fact that they dont own it, and the aircraft's owners opt to have it done there.

mountaindog · Post by **mountaindog** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:58 pm

Or that it's actually being melted down into pots and pans as we speak

captainkangaroo · Post by **captainkangaroo** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:14 am

Actually, they do own them. Also, it looks like they are going to be sold to US Air soon anyhow.

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:33 pm

If, and only if AC owns them, USAir buys, I stand by the words of "money up front!"

sidestick stirrer · Post by **sidestick stirrer** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:21 pm

Yes, I believe it's in SIN getting a heavy check.
I had read somewhere that the 340-500's are the orphans of the Airbus lineup, and they had sold only nineteen of them( that might have changed).
I would guess that, not carrying much more payload than the -300, but with humongous engines and the tanks to feed them, it didn't do anything that the 300's couldn't deliver, except burn more fuel going further.
It is odd, the engines Airbus chose for their 340's: the 300's have barely enough thrust to get out of their own way, and the EGT's are around 700C just in cruise.
Back when I was instructing on the 300's, it was amusing to watch a pilot's reaction when they powered up for their first takeoff. They usually looked around a little, then rechecked the power, thinking the " leisurely" ( and I'm being generous) rate of acceleration was a mistake.
Nope.
Airbus's philosophy seemed the exact opposite of Boeing's: instead of Boeing's "big engines and adequate wing" they went for the enormous wing and just enough thrust to get air going over it.
The very-last pages of the AOM contain a detailed comparison between the 340-300 and the 747-400. While the 400 can definitely carry more and get up to altitude a lot faster, the 340 does eventually stagger up there, and then it virtually sips fuel compared to the 400, even when considering the payload.
As long as we compare it to the 150-hp Cessna Cardinal, it looks like a real performer.....

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:14 am

flyinhigh wrote:Call me naive but why wouldn't AC do there own checks here in the like of YUL, YYZ, etc.

why would they contract it out to some other country.

flyinhigh,

The short answer is Air Canada does not have maintenance.

Air Canada Technical services (ACTS) is a separate company. Air Canada contracts out all its maintenance to whom ever it pleases. Some to ACTS and some to other places around the globe. Forcing ACTS to compete for Air Canada contracts forces ACTS employees to compete for work that used to be theirs, which ultimately drives down labor costs. They are just in the process of laying off 861 in YVR with the loss of the Delta contract meanwhile Air Canada maintenance work is being done elsewhere. The employees are being told the reason for the layoffs is that they are too expensive and ACTS can't compete with other contract maintenance companies.

Air Canada Ground Handling Services (ACGHS) is now a separate company and will have to compete for the Air Canada handling contract come 2009. Most people don't know that Air Canada no longer employs baggage handlers and gate agents? They were spun off as a separate company about August of last year.

Jazz will have to compete for the Air Canada CPA come 2014.

Once ACE finishes selling off the pieces, making distributions to shareholders and then subsequently disappears, Air Canada will be no more related to ACTS, Jazz, ACGHS and Aeroplan than it is to say, Westjet today.

The change in the company structure during CCAA was just the beginning. It was setup for one purpose. By separating the companies and forcing them to compete for work that used to be theirs, labor costs get driven down. The employees ultimately get left with two choices. Take deep pay cuts or loose the work all together.