Cdn North expanding

skyhag · Post by **skyhag** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:36 pm

Interesting....... Hope it works out for them.

Canadian North brings in Kitikmeot flights
Last Updated: Friday, April 13, 2007 | 5:09 PM CT
CBC News
Three eastern Kitikmeot hamlets in Nunavut will benefit from renewed airline competition this spring, as Canadian North has announced new routes for service to those communities.

The airline has announced flights to Taloyoak, Kugaaruk and Gjoa Haven will begin June 3. That will give First Air, which had a monopoly on air travel to those communities for the past three months, some competition.

"It's good news for us, the Kitikmeot region, that they will be flying seven days a week for Gjoa Haven and six times a week in Taloyoak," Gjoa Haven mayor Uriash Puqiqnak said Thursday.

Puqiqnak had lobbied for another airline to compete against First Air since Kenn Borek Air discontinued its service to those communities in early January.

With two airlines servicing his community, he said, residents will have a better chance of arriving at their destinations on time, as well as possibly getting competitive airfares on both flights and cargo.

Canadian North will also fly to Kugluktuk six times a week and to Kugaaruk four times a week.

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"Our expectation is that we will have lots of support from the communities," Canadian North spokeswoman Kelly Kaylo said. "We've done a number of tours and communicated directly with each of the communities and had just an overwhelming response in terms of wanting the service."

Kaylo said Canadian North will purchase two Dash-8 propeller-driven aircraft, which will include bathrooms and hot meal preparing facilities, for the new routes.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:00 pm

That's great. BTW if Empress hires you, you'd be very very wise to leave your present employer on good terms.

tripleittt · Post by **tripleittt** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:27 am

bamboo · Post by **bamboo** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:45 am

That's great. BTW if Empress hires you, you'd be very very wise to leave your present employer on good terms.

Not sure what you meant by that but I have only heard great things from Canadian North. What are they using to serve those routes? Fokkers?

Kariboo Kid · Post by **Kariboo Kid** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:23 am

It says in the press release above that the new routes are on the Dash.

co-joe wrote:That's great. BTW if Empress hires you, you'd be very very wise to leave your present employer on good terms. :?

I'm interested to hear the explanation on this too....you wouldn't happen to be one of the two that are back with us now that your training didn't go so well??? Yea I'm sure it's Cdn North's fault....

TAT · Post by **TAT** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:45 am

Big aircraft for such low yeild routes. As well as the cargo how are they going to do it with the dash???

MUSKEG · Post by **MUSKEG** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:57 am

I always thought that Canadian North was for the north by the north meaning it's controlled by the Inuit people. To me that means "sacred cow" as our governments will not let it not survive. And probably in this case I would have to say that is what a government should be doing. No operator can make a go of these extremely low yield areas without assistance. But they still deserve service. Some of the other crap they waste money on is another story.

Say Altitude · Post by **Say Altitude** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:00 am

TAT wrote:Big aircraft for such low yeild routes. As well as the cargo how are they going to do it with the dash???

Dash-8 100/200 have an STC for a moveable bulkhead i.e. for cargo so I would assume that's what they are doing.

TAT · Post by **TAT** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:19 am

a movable bulkhead with passengers up front. Hard to balance a load with no pax! All these communities that they are serving only have a population of <500 and 80% have never left. Without contracts in place for health care (which 7f already has) it will be a tough go.

Arthur Q · Post by **Arthur Q** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:02 pm

Wow TAT you must know everything about the north. Dumb ol' Canadian North should call you before they do anything. Why don't you e-mail them and let them know, or maybe you may want to research a topic before making a uninformed statement.

canpilot · Post by **canpilot** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:03 pm

" That's great. BTW if Empress hires you, you'd be very very wise to leave your present employer on good terms. "

I don't really understand that statement either. I've been dealing with them over at YVR's Terminal for their YVR-> YNR CNRL charter. They seem like a pretty good company, I can't remember talking to any angry pilots from this company. I'd love to fly for em..when I get some more time ..

WAY TO GO CANADIAN NORTH!

Troubleshot · Post by **Troubleshot** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:36 pm

TAT wrote:a movable bulkhead with passengers up front. Hard to balance a load with no pax! All these communities that they are serving only have a population of <500 and 80% have never left. Without contracts in place for health care (which 7f already has) it will be a tough go.

Funny?...when I was up there Cnd North were always full and lugging a ton of cargo. 80% never leave?...you'd be surprised how many people go in and outta of these communities on a regular basis ie. health care professionals, government employees, contractors, and locals needing to get to a more populated area for medical reasons or whatever, the list goes on and on.

bamboo · Post by **bamboo** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:01 pm

Big aircraft for such low yeild routes. As well as the cargo how are they going to do it with the dash???

No operator can make a go of these extremely low yield areas without assistance.

All these communities that they are serving only have a population of <500 and 80% have never left. Without contracts in place for health care (which 7f already has) it will be a tough go.

I am not sure what your background is or what information you base these comments on (you all may be right) but from what I see and after flying into these places I would say the 5T will do just fine with this route. Kugaaruk may be the only trouble. It just seems like not much on the go there. The local population are not the usual travellers in and out of the community. Like said in a previous post, it is the doctors, dentists, government departments, construction workers, etc... The local population does however contribute to the overall cargo loads.

I hope they do well. And sure they will.

I can't remember talking to any angry pilots from this company.

I dont think you will. It seems that its a great company and if you get in you make a career of it.

Lastcat · Post by **Lastcat** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:51 pm

It will be a tough go for them for the first few years or so. 7F has the medical travel, food mail, Northern Store and Coop freight contracts for each community; that leaves mainly the incidental traffic.

5T is being forced into this by their ownership who want to see the airline get back to it original mandate of serving northern communities with daily scheduled service. Since they were bought out they have dropped two destinations, YRB & YSM, and become more of a charter airline serving the diamond mines and oil sands and Nevada.

5T is strong on their Mackenzie Valley sked but 7F appears better positioned in every other community north of 60°. With Jazz going to four daily flights out of YZF, 5T is desperate for feed and in danger of becoming a tier 3 airline.

Time will tell, I wish them the best.

Freeride · Post by **Freeride** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:59 am

Cdn North's website says it requires pilots to have 1500hrs TT. In the application it won't let you continue unless you have at least 1500PIC. Does anyone know how much time, and what sort, They are looking for?

Jet Dog · Post by **Jet Dog** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:58 am

KBA pulled out for a reason, and with 5T's problems of on-time performance and aircraft (maintance) reliability, it should be intresting...

matrix · Post by **matrix** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:43 am

At least they manage to stay on the runway when landing.

tripleittt · Post by **tripleittt** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:51 am

Don't you have to be on the runway first before you can leave it. That Auto Approach in the 737-200 is a great thing. Just a thought. Oh and to those responsible, Thanks for the new approach ban.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:19 pm

I didn't say they were a bad company, in fact I've been a passenger with them about 14 times and mostly had great service. But when an entire class "fails" their sim rides something is wrong. Either they had something politically wrong at the time or they didn't need those new hires so rather than scare everyone with the word "layoff" why not just fail all the new hires and problem solved.

Point is don't burn a bridge to go there. If you have to quit and give less than 2 weeks notice to accept the position be weary.

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:23 pm

Who went off the runway? Borek?

Longtimer · Post by **Longtimer** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:32 pm

MUSKEG wrote:I always thought that Canadian North was for the north by the north meaning it's controlled by the Inuit people. To me that means "sacred cow" as our governments will not let it not survive. And probably in this case I would have to say that is what a government should be doing. No operator can make a go of these extremely low yield areas without assistance. But they still deserve service. Some of the other crap they waste money on is another story.

They are owned by Norterra which is a Western Inuit concern that turns a tidy profit every year.

Howitzer · Post by **Howitzer** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:33 pm

First Air went off the runway in YEG

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:08 pm

Tripleitt, and Matrix.

Play nice.
JC

5T YEG · Post by **5T YEG** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:42 pm

co-joe wrote:But when an entire class "fails" their sim rides something is wrong. Either they had something politically wrong at the time or they didn't need those new hires so rather than scare everyone with the word "layoff" why not just fail all the new hires and problem solved.

I've only ever browsed on here but this po'd me off enough to write...

You are so far out to lunch.........firstly we didn't fail a whole class - 2 guys didn't pass after 2 attempts and extra training. We have one for sure and probably two more 737's on the way and arriving soon, plus the Dash 8 operation is coming in Sept and on top of all this, we're short of crews. We've run lean for awhile now so everyone is working max days every month - the LAST word you'll hear around the crew room is layoff. We need more guys and soon.

On top of this, you've just slandered the reputation of the DFO, CP, and all our training Capt's who put the time and effort in to helping these guys pass. The trainers/checkers that were there are some of the most honourable and decent guys around with lots of patience and experience.

And on top of all this, the company treats us well, we like who we work with, we are compensated relatively well, and it's a lot of fun to work here. We have our share of problems like everywhere but BEFORE you start assuming anything, ask someone who actually is here and don't insult those training folks who worked hard on that last course based on information you know nothing about.

tripleittt · Post by **tripleittt** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:22 pm

Sorry! I thought it was funny, just trying to lighten the mood.