Question about widow
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Don't ever give up, Widow. If Avcanada can help you in any way and you can help shed some light on some serious problems then the boards are doing their job.
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Over my career, I've kept a page in my log for the pilots I've known who died. Without reference to it, I know of at least 40 pilots who never reached retirement age.
Some were mechanical, some were human error. I haven't seen the federal government follow a great many of the recommendations of the Dryden Enquiry, Satops, or the Dubin Enquiry. Had they only done so, the list might well have been halved.
I'm not as vocal as Cat, but I do believe that malfeasance is prevalent amongst the policy mandarins in Ottawa, who have a long history of ignoring grassroots inspectors.
Firefighters at airports, FSS stations, & towers have all been disappearing at an alarming rate. Now a valid tool for small carrier safety, audits from BCA are headed out the door. American efforts in Alaska with aircraft nav equipment and wx webcams is something that TC appears to be oblivious to.
There were problems with 703 operators in Vancouver. Hell, in a lot regions. I don't know whether there still are, I don't fly much down south. But...pretending they don't exist, or are not our problem, is leaving new generations of pilots open to a lot of unacceptable risk. Oh yeah, and us, too.
Widow has earned the right to ask questions. I for one, am glad that she does. In the safety business they call it Tombstone Safety. Somebody has to die to effect a change. Somebody did. Her husband.
And, lest we forget, one of us died in that accident too. Did they post here, and whine about other posters, long hours or the scarcity of jobs? I dunno, but quite possibly. More than likely many of you knew him.
Confused is more naive or myopic than confused. It may take the loss of a friend or a damn good scare to give hiim the insight he or she needs into our world, if they are to survive it. I don't wish it apon them or anyone else.
Without the political will to do it, TC won't help. The regional inspectors have their hands tied, and soon there will be less hands. Only through the efforts of Widow and those like her will they be spurred to act. What truly staggers me is that more of us do not ask questions.
Some were mechanical, some were human error. I haven't seen the federal government follow a great many of the recommendations of the Dryden Enquiry, Satops, or the Dubin Enquiry. Had they only done so, the list might well have been halved.
I'm not as vocal as Cat, but I do believe that malfeasance is prevalent amongst the policy mandarins in Ottawa, who have a long history of ignoring grassroots inspectors.
Firefighters at airports, FSS stations, & towers have all been disappearing at an alarming rate. Now a valid tool for small carrier safety, audits from BCA are headed out the door. American efforts in Alaska with aircraft nav equipment and wx webcams is something that TC appears to be oblivious to.
There were problems with 703 operators in Vancouver. Hell, in a lot regions. I don't know whether there still are, I don't fly much down south. But...pretending they don't exist, or are not our problem, is leaving new generations of pilots open to a lot of unacceptable risk. Oh yeah, and us, too.
Widow has earned the right to ask questions. I for one, am glad that she does. In the safety business they call it Tombstone Safety. Somebody has to die to effect a change. Somebody did. Her husband.
And, lest we forget, one of us died in that accident too. Did they post here, and whine about other posters, long hours or the scarcity of jobs? I dunno, but quite possibly. More than likely many of you knew him.
Confused is more naive or myopic than confused. It may take the loss of a friend or a damn good scare to give hiim the insight he or she needs into our world, if they are to survive it. I don't wish it apon them or anyone else.
Without the political will to do it, TC won't help. The regional inspectors have their hands tied, and soon there will be less hands. Only through the efforts of Widow and those like her will they be spurred to act. What truly staggers me is that more of us do not ask questions.
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Your post reveals a terrible inexperience or ignorance.
If more of the supposed profesionals involved with the ownership,operation, and oversight of commercial aviation in Canada had half the insight, one quarter the integrity, and one tenth the determination that "Widow" has, our industry wouldn't be in the constant, unimproving mess that it currently is. If some mickey mouse operator killed my wife or child, I would be tempted to do something a lot more drastic than become an activist. My appreciation for your effors Kirsten.
Just my $0.02 after 25 years and 17 000+ hours.
If more of the supposed profesionals involved with the ownership,operation, and oversight of commercial aviation in Canada had half the insight, one quarter the integrity, and one tenth the determination that "Widow" has, our industry wouldn't be in the constant, unimproving mess that it currently is. If some mickey mouse operator killed my wife or child, I would be tempted to do something a lot more drastic than become an activist. My appreciation for your effors Kirsten.
Just my $0.02 after 25 years and 17 000+ hours.
This is the first time I have commented on a thread concerning widow's case. I always make a point of reading every one of her posts but I am very new to the industry and don't want my inexperienced comments to dilute those from the more experienced.
However, Kirsten is exercising her right as a Citizen of Canada and has EVERY right to post here as much as she wants. Her comments are always welcome and her effort and energy is truly humbling.
Kirsten - your fight is for my future, I thank you.
However, Kirsten is exercising her right as a Citizen of Canada and has EVERY right to post here as much as she wants. Her comments are always welcome and her effort and energy is truly humbling.
Kirsten - your fight is for my future, I thank you.
EXCELLENT Reply v6g!! You are the man!!!v6g wrote:This is the first time I have commented on a thread concerning widow's case. I always make a point of reading every one of her posts but I am very new to the industry and don't want my inexperienced comments to dilute those from the more experienced.
However, Kirsten is exercising her right as a Citizen of Canada and has EVERY right to post here as much as she wants. Her comments are always welcome and her effort and energy is truly humbling.
Kirsten - your fight is for my future, I thank you.
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I agree with most who have posted here. I may not agree with everything she has written but, it is her right to do so as a member of this forum as it is mine. Her heart is in the right place and that is more than can be said of a lot of people writing opinions on here. I hope you find your answers one day widow and it would be nice to know that we helped with that, no matter how little it is.
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I personally take time to read all of the Widow's posts too. Very few of the regulars to our site take the time that she does to track down details and bring obscure facts to light. From reading her posts I've gained understanding and insight into the way our regulator should work, and more importantly is working.
I think some get their back up at the very narrow focus of the Widow's posts. I can only imagine it's because they're either fools, or don't understand your background. It's not as if you have some massive scope of aviation knowledge, you've never flown a B747 across the poles and had engine failures in navajos, etc. That said what you don't know or understand you strive to learn if it helps you better understand our messed up industry. I as well as AvCanada nearly to the person wishes you nothing but the best of luck. Don't let the very few dampen your enthusiam.
I think some get their back up at the very narrow focus of the Widow's posts. I can only imagine it's because they're either fools, or don't understand your background. It's not as if you have some massive scope of aviation knowledge, you've never flown a B747 across the poles and had engine failures in navajos, etc. That said what you don't know or understand you strive to learn if it helps you better understand our messed up industry. I as well as AvCanada nearly to the person wishes you nothing but the best of luck. Don't let the very few dampen your enthusiam.
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Widow,
Keep er going! Btw..thanks for the offer to help on my term paper..I needed a load of academic sources..none of which I couldn't find. Sanitization much?
Thanks for fighting for my safety.
GREAT TROLL POST!!
I'm suprised someone hasn't called it exactly what it is, a " troll post." - Aside from this post being completely niave and insensitive. (Yes, he caught me too)
As you now know, this opinions expressed by this individual are not a reflection of the opinion of the majority of posters on here.
Widow, please don't stop posting.
Thanks again!
Keep er going! Btw..thanks for the offer to help on my term paper..I needed a load of academic sources..none of which I couldn't find. Sanitization much?
Thanks for fighting for my safety.
GREAT TROLL POST!!
I'm suprised someone hasn't called it exactly what it is, a " troll post." - Aside from this post being completely niave and insensitive. (Yes, he caught me too) As you now know, this opinions expressed by this individual are not a reflection of the opinion of the majority of posters on here.
Widow, please don't stop posting.
Thanks again!
Hello Widow,
I just wanted to take a minute and say thank you for all the hard work and dedication that you have put forth in your Quest for Justice.
I have been flying commercially since 1995, privately since 1992, and been around airplanes/aviation all my life. I am very impressed with how quickly and accurately you have perceived many of the challenges that the entire aviation industry is faced with in Canada, particularly in the 703 and 704 world.
I know many people are less than supportive on this forum, and perhaps these are people who either don't really understand the gravity of the situation, or face some serious implications of some of the most required changes.
I have been reading Avcanada for many years, although I don't post very often. Certainly I have many opinions, and have seen many things in this screwed-up industry. I fully support your work to see this industry improve. I wish I had something more concrete to add/give to you other than words of encouragement.
I am truly sorry for your loss. Good luck, and keep up the good fight!
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I just wanted to take a minute and say thank you for all the hard work and dedication that you have put forth in your Quest for Justice.
I have been flying commercially since 1995, privately since 1992, and been around airplanes/aviation all my life. I am very impressed with how quickly and accurately you have perceived many of the challenges that the entire aviation industry is faced with in Canada, particularly in the 703 and 704 world.
I know many people are less than supportive on this forum, and perhaps these are people who either don't really understand the gravity of the situation, or face some serious implications of some of the most required changes.
I have been reading Avcanada for many years, although I don't post very often. Certainly I have many opinions, and have seen many things in this screwed-up industry. I fully support your work to see this industry improve. I wish I had something more concrete to add/give to you other than words of encouragement.
I am truly sorry for your loss. Good luck, and keep up the good fight!
Aft CofG
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I pray to god* that if this were to god forbid* happen to me that there is someone who loves me enough to never stop asking why.
I'm sure many of you feel the same.
*not in the religious sense, more to emphasize.
I'm sure many of you feel the same.
*not in the religious sense, more to emphasize.
She’s built like a Steakhouse, but she handles like a Bistro.
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
Capstone would have little or no effect on VFR ops. In short, it wouldn’t have affected the outcome of that accident at all.Your biggest achievement would be in pursuing the "why was my husband not pulled out of the water alive" route.
Something similar to the FAA's "capstone" would be one way of doing it.
The fact that Garmin doesn’t incorporate two way satellite communications directly into the G1000 suite doesn’t mean that satellite communication systems aren’t available for ANY airplane out there. The underlying issue is the cost of equipage and the user fees. Many will state that the cost is justified for the added safety but many more will agree that a satellite com won’t make a float equipped VFR beaver any safer. I’d rather sink money into maintenance and training.If you manage to convince Garmin to incorporate a 2 way sat link into their G1000 I'll buy you a case of your favorite single malt.
We must remember that the Capstone program is essentially an experiment. Many airworthiness authorities all over the world are monitoring the progress but it’s a little early to finalize standards and adopt the system broadly.American efforts in Alaska with aircraft nav equipment and wx webcams is something that TC appears to be oblivious to.
Having said all that, I understand the sentiment of the original post. It shows similar contempt that many people have for defense attorneys in murder trials. Ever get tired of hearing lawyers defend what appear to be obvious criminals? How about hearing obvious criminals getting away with it because with the help of a proficient lawyer?
The truth is continually challenging the legal system and makes it better. It legitimizes the system. It helps avoid similar mistakes in the future.
Of course I’m not suggesting that widow is trying to protect criminals. The comparison here is that she challenges the status quo and rocks the boat a bit while she does it. For example, continually reading about how crappy the industry I work in is can be somewhat tiring.
So I think widow's posts are worthwhile reading and her actions pose a much needed challenge to the system. I hope she continues to read responses to her posts and thinks about what many of us have to say as well. Her efforts are important but equally important is focus. If you want to talk about a Beaver on floats operating VFR, there is little value in discussing Capstone or the Garmin G1000 system.
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well, sad sad thread here, somebody is not only fighting to understand her loss of a loved one (something I hope we would all do in this case), and doing so, she's fighting for us all pilot, and the fact that even one person dares saying they are tired of it makes me sad.
I must admit though that so many people took time to write and express their disagrement with the original post, and their support to widow makes the difference. it's for people like widow that george orwell's nightmares will hopefully never come true, and that we'll always have people that will stand up against the unacceptable.
thx everybody for your positive replies, and thx widow for not giving up, for your husband, and in a way for all of us.
nyco
btw, a poll wil definetely not be necessary, no sain person on this forum would tell you to stop, first because it is important to all of us, second because those who don't want have the option to not click, easy.
I must admit though that so many people took time to write and express their disagrement with the original post, and their support to widow makes the difference. it's for people like widow that george orwell's nightmares will hopefully never come true, and that we'll always have people that will stand up against the unacceptable.
thx everybody for your positive replies, and thx widow for not giving up, for your husband, and in a way for all of us.
nyco
btw, a poll wil definetely not be necessary, no sain person on this forum would tell you to stop, first because it is important to all of us, second because those who don't want have the option to not click, easy.
Just so no one mistakes me for this clown, Widow I fully support your endeavor. You are a breath of fresh air to this industry. One that has taken advantage of the very people it requires to keep it going for so long, without a single regard for their safety in some cases. I say keep it up, and I truly hope that one day you get the answers that you seek 
You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.
Widow, as Arnie Feast's sister, I cannot thank you enough for trying to keep our skies safe. If it wasn't for what you are doing, Arnie's name would have been added to the long list of uninvestigated "so-called" pilot errors. It seems to me that TCCA has a great system. Make sure the pilot has an up to date medical and license and throw them to the wind.
Why would anyone complain about widow posting here? Hit a nerve? She is what is going to make the industry safer.
Why would anyone complain about widow posting here? Hit a nerve? She is what is going to make the industry safer.
I wish her the best of luck changeing the industry,after 25 years of flying and 17,000 hours I believe its like banging your head on a cement wall.All I'm saying in my last post was I'm tired of reading her posts.I see you are useing the media,radio and members of our so called goverment to change the industry,thats great.Even I am behind you on that....but do you have to post every reply that you get.Also thanks to all the pm's for your agreement on this topic,just don't be shy about posting them.
Widow's posts uniformly have a positive spirit and are an attempt to shine a light into some shady areas. I have seen more than one pilot who had to quit flying because they had a crisis of confidence in the inherent safety of their occupation. Confused seems to be of this sort, don't make me think... I might get frightened.
As I read widows posts I find that there are errors in the chronology of events but she states these errors as though they were fact. If I were to make one suggestion it would be to check your source. Don’t rely on the competition to provide you with information. The information that they provide may be self-serving.
I'm very curious what "chronology" I have out of order? If you are talking about CGAQW, I do not believe I have relied on the "competition" - much of what they have told me was verified by the JRCC logs, personal conversations with the Ops Manager, etc. Certainly my first report of March 20, 2006 may have relied a little heavily on "the competition" - but that was before I got access to information and had personal conversation with various people.
If you would like to tell me what I've got wrong, please feel free to let me know - here or in private. Unless of course, you are one of those people who have already contacted me and said "the floats were fine" or "everyone would be alive if I'd been flying".
If you would like to tell me what I've got wrong, please feel free to let me know - here or in private. Unless of course, you are one of those people who have already contacted me and said "the floats were fine" or "everyone would be alive if I'd been flying".
Former Advocate for Floatplane Safety
This may sound a bit insensitive, and even unproductive but I was wondering about the comments posted by the pilot's sister who stated;
What does that mean exactly? Is she implying that Transport Canada is actually ultimately responsible for the safety of their passengers and not the pilot in command? Is she suggesting that once you get a commercial pilot license that there is no more scrutiny? No more tests? Traning?
If that's the case, Beaufort is very misinformed.
I don't have the information to definitively determine if the subject operator was working within the regulations from an operational and maintenance perspective but if the airplane was in such obvious poor condition, the responsibility for the fate of the airplane and the passengers must be shared by the pilot.
Widow insists that the company wasn't following proper flight following procedures but hasn't questioned why the pilot elected to fly a poorly maintained airplane without proper equipment. Wouldn't he be fully cognizant of the flight following arrangement?
The only possible answers are that he wasn't experienced, or that he succumbed to pressure from his new employer, or that he just couldn't possibly detect the problems right in front of him, and if a professional pilot who was about to strap in couldn't detect the problems right in front of him, how would TC?
I've been around airplanes for a long time and I have little problem identifying the general condition of an airplane after a simple walk around.
If I was to strap in and go flying on a strange airplane, (outside of a major airline operation) I wouldn't even turn a prop (or spool up a turbine) before doing a detailed pre-flight inspection and wouldn't go airborne before a thorough run up with positive results.
I'm not suggesting that the accident pilot didn't do that. What I'm saying is that it seems he either found some problems and decided he could manage the risks on his short VFR flight or he found nothing and the airplane was "airworthy" until the engine failure that started the unfortunate chain of events.
Beaufort, I'm not saying your brother wasn't a great guy although I have no experience or evidence to support that but if your quest is purely to clear his name of all responsibility for the accident, I think you're setting yourself up for disapointment.
Yah..some will call me a terrible person for stating that but if you're going to come on to an aviation website like this, making uninformed statements like that, you're gonna get the odd reply that upsets you.
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...Arnie's name would have been added to the long list of uninvestigated "so-called" pilot errors. It seems to me that TCCA has a great system. Make sure the pilot has an up to date medical and license and throw them to the wind.
What does that mean exactly? Is she implying that Transport Canada is actually ultimately responsible for the safety of their passengers and not the pilot in command? Is she suggesting that once you get a commercial pilot license that there is no more scrutiny? No more tests? Traning?
If that's the case, Beaufort is very misinformed.
I don't have the information to definitively determine if the subject operator was working within the regulations from an operational and maintenance perspective but if the airplane was in such obvious poor condition, the responsibility for the fate of the airplane and the passengers must be shared by the pilot.
Widow insists that the company wasn't following proper flight following procedures but hasn't questioned why the pilot elected to fly a poorly maintained airplane without proper equipment. Wouldn't he be fully cognizant of the flight following arrangement?
The only possible answers are that he wasn't experienced, or that he succumbed to pressure from his new employer, or that he just couldn't possibly detect the problems right in front of him, and if a professional pilot who was about to strap in couldn't detect the problems right in front of him, how would TC?
I've been around airplanes for a long time and I have little problem identifying the general condition of an airplane after a simple walk around.
If I was to strap in and go flying on a strange airplane, (outside of a major airline operation) I wouldn't even turn a prop (or spool up a turbine) before doing a detailed pre-flight inspection and wouldn't go airborne before a thorough run up with positive results.
I'm not suggesting that the accident pilot didn't do that. What I'm saying is that it seems he either found some problems and decided he could manage the risks on his short VFR flight or he found nothing and the airplane was "airworthy" until the engine failure that started the unfortunate chain of events.
Beaufort, I'm not saying your brother wasn't a great guy although I have no experience or evidence to support that but if your quest is purely to clear his name of all responsibility for the accident, I think you're setting yourself up for disapointment.
Yah..some will call me a terrible person for stating that but if you're going to come on to an aviation website like this, making uninformed statements like that, you're gonna get the odd reply that upsets you.
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