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We also have an ancient impulse towards self-preservation. Protecting yourself our your family with a gun in a life threatening situation is a valid purpose in my books.
How many people in Canada do you know feel the need to keep a gun in their house to feel safe? Do you?
I doubt the gunman wouldn't have killed as many people if his targets were returning fire, rather than hiding behind desks.
What are you saying here - that the kids should be armed in class?
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Many problems could be solved with this simple personal question.
Are my beliefs honest and true?
Nark wrote:
Since I'm in the military, I'm allowed to have a magazine that can carry 30 rounds. The general public is limited to 8 (if memory serves).
The stopping power of a .223 round isn't terribly great. The average huntinig rifle is a .30cal variant. Alot more stopping power than my M-16.
Ok a few issues with your statements....first the 8 round limit that you refer to is simply enforecd with a pop rivet and can be easily removed. The mags are the same.
Secondly, when have you ever seen a fully auto 30 cal hunting rifle ? Mines a bolt action with a 5 round clip.....if I can't hit my target in the first shot....mayyyyybe second...it's out of sight. No need for 30 rounds.
Lastly, arming yourself with a gun to protect yourself from guns only serves to aggrivate the problem. People in the U.S are actually saying they want their KIDS to be armed with guns when they go to SCHOOL !?! How backwards can and will we allow society to get ?!?
.....and we wonder why human life has become so devalued ?
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Sometimes I think it's a shame when I get feelin' better when I'm feelin no pain.
We also have an ancient impulse towards self-preservation. Protecting yourself our your family with a gun in a life threatening situation is a valid purpose in my books.
How many people in Canada do you know feel the need to keep a gun in their house to feel safe? Do you?
I doubt the gunman wouldn't have killed as many people if his targets were returning fire, rather than hiding behind desks.
What are you saying here - that the kids should be armed in class?
This is what I find far more disturbing than the occasional deranged gunman...all these people who think it's a good idea to send their kids off to school with a .45 strapped to their hip. It makes me fear for civilized society.
Ottawa has announced that all future firearm PAL applications will be coupled with an interview with the applicant. The interview will help to evaluate the individual where a psychological assessment will be made. The interviews will be conducted by representatives of the judiciary.
Currently, no physical contact between the applicant and the national / regional firearms safety officers is made. I recently went through the PAL application process and none of my references were contacted by the authorities. According to the CRFSC instructors, this is the norm as it is deemed to be too time consuming.
My application took 6 weeks for a Restricted PAL and $300 which included the compulsory training in accordance with the CRFSC syllabus.
Perhaps you've never heard of the riflemens creed.
This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will...
My M-16 is no more dangerous than my 30-30. It's the high capacity magazine that makes it prohibited from public (not including the 3 round burst, which isn't used a whole lot anyways). The same applies to my M9 pistol. (which is identical to the Beretta 92).
I will agree, that even the formost collector has no use for our crew served weapons. -240G, 249SAW, M-2 .50 cal etc...
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Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Nark wrote:Perhaps you've never heard of the riflemens creed.
This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will...
My M-16 is no more dangerous than my 30-30. It's the high capacity magazine that makes it prohibited from public (not including the 3 round burst, which isn't used a whole lot anyways). The same applies to my M9 pistol. (which is identical to the Beretta 92).
I will agree, that even the formost collector has no use for our crew served weapons. -240G, 249SAW, M-2 .50 cal etc...
Well if you want to test that theory Nark, next time your superior tells you to return your weapon to its lockup, say no. Then come back here and tell us all what happens next.
Nark wrote:I will agree, that even the formost collector has no use for our crew served weapons. -240G, 249SAW, M-2 .50 cal etc...
Since when was an M249 a crew served weapon? Last time I checked, it weighed in at about 15 pounds, and one strong rifleman should have no problem hauling that and his first line ammo loadout.
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Please don't tell my mother that I work in the Oilpatch...she still thinks that I'm the piano player at a whorehouse.
It does not require much work to convert a semi-auto (self loader)into fully auto.A friend of mine at the gun club used to do it to 22 self loaders for fun as the ammo is cheap.Although he just bought 10,000 rounds of 9mm rounds and is busy converting some pistols into full-auto .Same guy makes suppressors so he can shoot all night long without disturbing the neighbours .Very considerate of him i think.He was complaining the last time we spoke about the difficulty but not impossibility of getting DU rounds for his 50 cal bench guns .If anyone knows where a fella could get some nice DU 50 calammo cheap please let us know as he is really wanting to try his new night scope and laser range finder .And the tin and antimony lead rounds that he made are not as accurate as the du rounds .Someone said that Bronze rounds are accurate but he said that is just hollywood myth.He mentioned another metal but i cannot remember the name of it as we were drinking a lot at his gun range.The empties make fun targets when you throw them in the air and see how long you can keep them airborne with the 22.I have yet to hit one but it is the thought that makes it fun.
Back on subject they should make duelling legal again with one provision the only weapons allowed would be Feather dusters and the combatants must wear tutu's .If they do not die laughing they will lose a lot of weight swotting each other and may see the futility of violence.
Rig piggy hit the nail on the head. While it only requires one motivator to shoot it, it requires an assistant to carry more ammo and spot the hits.
The M40 and M82 sniper rifles are also crew served weapons, since they require a spotter.
The idea of kids taking a pistol school is retarded. I don't know of any mature enough kids (teens) to understand the responsiblity and consequences of using firearms.
And I'll say it again, it's the user, not the tool that's the problem.
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Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
Nark wrote:And I'll say it again, it's the user, not the tool that's the problem.
Well no kidding Nark. A gun laying around on the ground with no one near it is just a piece of metal. But since no one has figured out a way to deal with the deranged or simply stupid user, what else would you suggest except keep guns away from them. I'm completely open to ideas if any of you gun supporters can come up with any good ones.
what else would you suggest except keep guns away from them.
Great idea, any suggestions how you are going to do that?
Ban guns in Kanada?
Great fu.king idea, then there will be a real lucritive black market created resulting in no shortage of guns for sale.
And a pilot could finally make a buck in aviation flying them in from the USA.
When did I ever say ban them Cat? But definitely make them really really hard to get. Make it so difficult that the crazy, criminal or stupid can't pass the requirements to get them. Do you find something wrong with that? Do you want it to be easy for the crazy, criminal or stupid to get guns? Give your head a shake if you do.
So the rest of you would have to jump through a few more hoops to get your guns. Big F**kin deal!! You'd still get them.
what else would you suggest except keep guns away from them.
Great idea, any suggestions how you are going to do that?
Ban guns in Kanada?
Great fu.king idea, then there will be a real lucritive black market created resulting in no shortage of guns for sale.
And a pilot could finally make a buck in aviation flying them in from the USA.
When did I ever say ban them Cat? But definitely make them really really hard to get. Make it so difficult that the crazy, criminal or stupid can't pass the requirements to get them. Do you find something wrong with that? Do you want it to be easy for the crazy, criminal or stupid to get guns? Give your head a shake if you do.
So the rest of you would have to jump through a few more hoops to get your guns. Big F**kin deal!! You'd still get them.
The problem does not lie with the legal gun owners in Canada.
The problem does not lie with the PAL / national licencing system.
The problem in Canada lies with these immigrant ganster @#$! that import, use and sell illegal firearms. I dont think that the Jamaican bastards down in Toronto shooting up the streets are using legal weapons acquired through the system.
The criminals will always find a way to acquire firearms irrespective of governmental gun control measures.
Actually it is more valid as people actually pay money for that papers opinion. None pay for mine in money .Although i think i can be more annoying even when i do not mean to be
Mostly in vain attempts at humour
If they banned guns they would simply kill themselves with illegal guns and large kitchen implements ,farm tools,and fatty foods.
More men have been killed by the over usage of the frying pan than by the angry shots from guns on street corners .Deep fried fat is the biggest killer in North America .Some foods are about ten percent less fat than a bowl of fat.And you end up with a bowel of fat that will kill you slowly .
A slow and meaningless death by festering butt rot the cause of which is highly preventable by enjoying a moderate diet.One lower in the over-processed poisons that are passed off as food by some food vandals.
The next thing on the Government's list of controlled substances will be trans fats, i.e. a fat register. The fat register will only require $2,000,000.00 in seed money, after which it will be self sustaining, paid for by the fat users themselves by the issuance of a special fat license. The Fat Police will have the right to enter your home or place of work without a search warrant and seize your potato chips, lard, hydrogenated margarene and donuts. Dunkin, Tim's and Krispy Creme outlets will be specifically exempted from this legislation, however products bought at any of these locations must be consumed on the premises.
what else would you suggest except keep guns away from them.
Great idea, any suggestions how you are going to do that?
Ban guns in Kanada?
Great fu.king idea, then there will be a real lucritive black market created resulting in no shortage of guns for sale.
And a pilot could finally make a buck in aviation flying them in from the USA.
When did I ever say ban them Cat? But definitely make them really really hard to get. Make it so difficult that the crazy, criminal or stupid can't pass the requirements to get them. Do you find something wrong with that? Do you want it to be easy for the crazy, criminal or stupid to get guns? Give your head a shake if you do.
So the rest of you would have to jump through a few more hoops to get your guns. Big F**kin deal!! You'd still get them.
Alright Rockie,
I'd like to know how you got your CF security clearance. The way I see it, mostly those who call others "stupid", are normally the one's who genuinely are.
Let us know what you hold as dear to your lifestyle, so that we can personally attack and try to make it harder for you to enjoy such thing. If so, Big F*&^in deal....right? Sheesh!
Concestor 0 wrote:
How many people in Canada do you know feel the need to keep a gun in their house to feel safe? Do you??
No, not in my house. I live in the woods.
Concestor 0 wrote:
What are you saying here - that the kids should be armed in class?
Very perceptive. Notice on the T.V. every kid that was murdered at V. Tech. was a fine upstanding citizen, loved life etc, etc. This is the segment of society that is penalized by gun control. The whack-jobs intent on doing harm will always find a way to wreak havoc. Remember, at Dawson it was a good guy with a gun that put a stop to that slaughter. I'm advocating cutting out the middleman(and the possible rest-of your-life wait for the cops) and letting responsible people have the option of taking take care of themselves.
2R wrote:Actually it is more valid as people actually pay money for that papers opinion. None pay for mine in money .Although i think i can be more annoying even when i do not mean to be
Mostly in vain attempts at humour
If they banned guns they would simply kill themselves with illegal guns and large kitchen implements ,farm tools,and fatty foods.
More men have been killed by the over usage of the frying pan than by the angry shots from guns on street corners .Deep fried fat is the biggest killer in North America .Some foods are about ten percent less fat than a bowl of fat.And you end up with a bowel of fat that will kill you slowly .
A slow and meaningless death by festering butt rot the cause of which is highly preventable by enjoying a moderate diet.One lower in the over-processed poisons that are passed off as food by some food vandals.
Well said, they are actually planning to make seat belt use mandatory while chowing down on the trans fatty pork ass producing products now festooning a town pantry near you
Cat Driver wrote:
Great idea, any suggestions how you are going to do that?
Ban guns in Kanada?
Great fu.king idea, then there will be a real lucritive black market created resulting in no shortage of guns for sale.
And a pilot could finally make a buck in aviation flying them in from the USA.
When did I ever say ban them Cat? But definitely make them really really hard to get. Make it so difficult that the crazy, criminal or stupid can't pass the requirements to get them. Do you find something wrong with that? Do you want it to be easy for the crazy, criminal or stupid to get guns? Give your head a shake if you do.
So the rest of you would have to jump through a few more hoops to get your guns. Big F**kin deal!! You'd still get them.
Alright Rockie,
I'd like to know how you got your CF security clearance. The way I see it, mostly those who call others "stupid", are normally the one's who genuinely are.
Let us know what you hold as dear to your lifestyle, so that we can personally attack and try to make it harder for you to enjoy such thing. If so, Big F*&^in deal....right? Sheesh!
